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03-02-2017 , 04:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Money2Burn
Didn't Sessions prepare with attorneys before testifying?
http://abovethelaw.com/2017/03/jeff-...awyer-mistake/

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HE DIDN’T ANSWER THE LAWMAKERS’ QUESTIONS. Instead he made Kislyak relevant with his pompous, self-serving answer to a question nobody asked him. He opened the door, on himself. If you are going to volunteer that you “have been called a campaign surrogate” and “did not have communications with the Russians,” then it’s ON YOU to remember when you had communications with the Russians!

Bill Clinton wouldn’t concede the word “IS” in a deposition. That’s how lawyers roll. Sessions is out here giving up the whole damn store. And why? Why didn’t Sessions just answer Al Franken’s question? Because he was trying to AVOID saying he’d actually investigate ties between Russia and the President. He didn’t want to answer a question about whether he’d do his job, so instead he lied about an entirely different issue.

Does Sessions have to recuse himself because he is incapable of effective investigating Russian connections? Absolutely. Does he have to resign because he lightly perjured himself before Congress? I don’t know. Should Jeff Sessions resign because he’s a BAD attorney? I think so.
03-02-2017 , 04:45 PM
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Originally Posted by DWetzel
"Listen, if you didn't know you were being scammed you're too ****in' dumb to keep this job, if you did know, you were in on it. Either way, YOU'RE OUT! Get out. Go on, let's go."

- Ace Rothstein
People like to credit Adam Carolla with the "Stupid or lying?" meme but clearly that was invented by Scorcese or perhaps Nicholas Pileggi
03-02-2017 , 04:48 PM
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Originally Posted by m_reed05
There really needs to be some push back on the R defense that his meeting was completely normal. It's already been shown he's the ONLY member of the Armed Services Committee that met with the Russian ambassador/spy in 2016. And he did at least twice that we know of. Hopefully someone is busy compiling a list of all Congress members that met with the Russian ambassador/spy in 2016, how many met 1 on 1, and how many met on multiple occasions. I bet the list is pretty short.
This is a good post. Even if you give him EVERY benefit of the doubt...what was the purpose of the meeting? If he's meeting with them in his capacity as a member of that committee...okay fine, why were the other members not briefed? If the purpose was on-the-up-and-up-official-business, then what business was discussed and why/to what ends?
03-02-2017 , 04:48 PM
Trump administration's statement that Sessions should not recuse himself is probably a sign that Sessions in fact is going to recuse himself.

Then Trump can emphasize what a straight shooter Sessions and how Sessions bends over backwards to avoid even the appearance of impropriety.
03-02-2017 , 04:50 PM
Sessions holding a press conference in 10 minutes.
03-02-2017 , 04:52 PM
stream for Sessions presser https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AB8f8KVzy8s
03-02-2017 , 04:52 PM
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Originally Posted by m_reed05
There really needs to be some push back on the R defense that his meeting was completely normal. It's already been shown he's the ONLY member of the Armed Services Committee that met with the Russian ambassador/spy in 2016. And he did at least twice that we know of. Hopefully someone is busy compiling a list of all Congress members that met with the Russian ambassador/spy in 2016, how many met 1 on 1, and how many met on multiple occasions. I bet the list is pretty short.
Yeah. Well maybe no one else on the committee had to talk to Russia because Jeff already took care of it on his own. So not only is it not a bad thing, he should be getting props for doing his JOB.

Ever think of that???
03-02-2017 , 04:53 PM
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Originally Posted by General Tsao
omg so good.

I love the conspiracy theories you guys come up with itt!
Recuse yourself
03-02-2017 , 04:53 PM
lol at people thinking Sessions is going to resign at this presser
03-02-2017 , 04:54 PM
I'm moving from "somewhat positive" on GG to "neutral" with a bit of a stink eye.

Did Trump really say he didn't know about Sessions talking to the Russians?

That's what they said right before firing Flynn.
03-02-2017 , 04:56 PM
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Originally Posted by champstark
lol at people thinking Sessions is going to resign at this presser
You're thinking live suicide?
03-02-2017 , 04:57 PM
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Originally Posted by champstark
lol at people thinking Sessions is going to resign at this presser
No chance of that.
03-02-2017 , 04:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Namath12
#ThingsDilbertMightSay
What all these tweets have in common, as with most things Greenwald does, is that he was echoing the same sentiments during the Bush and Obama administrations, something zero of his detractors could claim. The difference is that we all loved it when he pointed out the hypocrisy of Republicans during the Bush era (he wrote an entire book about it), enjoyed it less so when he did it to Democrats as the party in power, and really didn't enjoy it when he didn't take the popular path of going easier on Clinton because of who her opponent was.

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Originally Posted by Namath12
basically the whole "WE-CAN'T-KNOW-THE-TRUTH-ABOUT-ANYTHING-EVER-WITHOUT-ON-THE-RECORD-SOURCING" schtick is just tired and busted. Yes it's great to get info from people who are willing to put their name on it, no it's not smart to just handwaive everything simply because the source who leaked the info would rather not be blasted in the face with polonium-laced hairspray. Come on.
I happen to think he goes overboard on that angle as well, but again, this is consistency he's displayed since Bush-era officials used the same tactic to sell the Iraq War and to try to justify terrible things they did like torture by sending anonymous officials to sell giant classified stories of all the great intel it got us.

I think the problem people have with Greenwald is that they look at him with the same partisan angle they look at all pundits with. A Republican right now saying "look at Claire McCaskill" is obviously doing it to distract from Sessions and try to normalize it. When Greenwald says "look at Claire McCaskill" he's categorically not excusing Sessions' behavior, it's because he genuinely detests lying from politicians and it genuinely angers him that people are only bothered about one kind of lying right now, even if that lying (because it was under oath) is objectively worse (which he acknowledges by calling for Sessions to recuse himself at a minimum).
03-02-2017 , 04:58 PM
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Originally Posted by General Tsao
omg so good.

I love the conspiracy theories you guys come up with itt!
Don't think it is conspiracy theory. Snowden applied for asylum with Russia while he was in HK. They approved it but added conditions. Snowden didn't like those conditions so he turned it down. A few hours later he had his passport revoked and was essentially trapped in Russia. Let me ask you this simple question.

Do you think that Putin gave him asylum without conditions after offering asylum with conditions? Any shred of common sense would tell you what exactly went down.

This would be like me saying "yea ill sell you this car for 10k". Then when your car breaks down the next week. Me saying "nah I'll give you this car since your car just broke down".

Do you really think a former US intelligence employee is living in Russia and is not giving up intel? This is not how the world works.
03-02-2017 , 04:59 PM
Sessions news conference on c-span: https://www.c-span.org/video/?424859...onference&live
03-02-2017 , 05:01 PM
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Originally Posted by dopebeats
Don't think it is conspiracy theory. Snowden applied for asylum with Russia while he was in HK. They approved it but added conditions. Snowden didn't like those conditions so he turned it down. A few hours later he had his passport revoked and was essentially trapped in Russia. Let me ask you this simple question.

Do you think that Putin gave him asylum without conditions after offering asylum with conditions? Any shred of common sense would tell you what exactly went down.

This would be like me saying "yea ill sell you this car for 10k". Then when your car breaks down the next week. Me saying "nah I'll give you this car since your car just broke down".

Do you really think a former US intelligence employee is living in Russia and is not giving up intel? This is not how the world works.
And mumble mumble Greenwald mumble Putin mumble mumble terrorism mumble

Right!? Bastards!
03-02-2017 , 05:01 PM
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Originally Posted by goofyballer
What all these tweets have in common, as with most things Greenwald does, is that he was echoing the same sentiments during the Bush and Obama administrations, something zero of his detractors could claim. The difference is that we all loved it when he pointed out the hypocrisy of Republicans during the Bush era (he wrote an entire book about it), enjoyed it less so when he did it to Democrats as the party in power, and really didn't enjoy it when he didn't take the popular path of going easier on Clinton because of who her opponent was.



I happen to think he goes overboard on that angle as well, but again, this is consistency he's displayed since Bush-era officials used the same tactic to sell the Iraq War and to try to justify terrible things they did like torture by sending anonymous officials to sell giant classified stories of all the great intel it got us.

I think the problem people have with Greenwald is that they look at him with the same partisan angle they look at all pundits with. A Republican right now saying "look at Claire McCaskill" is obviously doing it to distract from Sessions and try to normalize it. When Greenwald says "look at Claire McCaskill" he's categorically not excusing Sessions' behavior, it's because he genuinely detests lying from politicians and it genuinely angers him that people are only bothered about one kind of lying right now, even if that lying (because it was under oath) is objectively worse (which he acknowledges by calling for Sessions to recuse himself at a minimum).
GG and Snowden are FSB assets. The quicker you realize this the more things will make sense.
03-02-2017 , 05:02 PM
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Originally Posted by dopebeats
Don't think it is conspiracy theory. Snowden applied for asylum with Russia while he was in HK.
Cite?

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Originally Posted by dopebeats
Do you really think a former US intelligence employee is living in Russia and is not giving up intel? This is not how the world works.
Snowden claims - and he absolutely has the technical know-how to do this - that he removed the ability for himself to access the data he had before leaving Hong Kong. Putin does not need whatever intel Snowden had in order to still use him as an effective propaganda tool to make the US look hypocritical when it complains about Russian human rights violations.

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Originally Posted by dopebeats
GG and Snowden are FSB assets. The quicker you realize this the more things will make sense.
No.
03-02-2017 , 05:02 PM
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Originally Posted by General Tsao
And mumble mumble Greenwald mumble Putin mumble mumble terrorism mumble

Right!? Bastards!
Would you like to hear it from a Russian senator instead?

http://www.npr.org/2016/06/29/483890...-a-low-profile

Jesus, this **** should be pretty common knowledge at this point.
03-02-2017 , 05:05 PM
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Originally Posted by dopebeats
Would you like to hear it from a Russian senator instead?

http://www.npr.org/2016/06/29/483890...-a-low-profile

Jesus, this **** should be pretty common knowledge at this point.
Admittedly I just did a ctrl F for "Green" in that article, but I'm going to safely assume it doesn't reference Glenn Greenwald at all, and especially doesn't indicate Greenwald is in anyway associated with Russian intelligence.
03-02-2017 , 05:08 PM
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Originally Posted by dopebeats
Would you like to hear it from a Russian senator instead?

http://www.npr.org/2016/06/29/483890...-a-low-profile

Jesus, this **** should be pretty common knowledge at this point.
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Originally Posted by General Tsao
Admittedly I just did a ctrl F for "Green" in that article, but I'm going to safely assume it doesn't reference Glenn Greenwald at all, and especially doesn't indicate Greenwald is in anyway associated with Russian intelligence.

OK now I read the article and know for sure it doesn't implicate Greenwald in anyway...so....?

And for Snowden, you are literally using a Russian propaganda quote....A+
03-02-2017 , 05:08 PM
Holding a press conference seems like a really, really bad idea for Sessions here.
03-02-2017 , 05:10 PM
This smirking little weasel is swiftly climbing my "people I'd really like to punch in the face" list.
03-02-2017 , 05:10 PM
loooool, really Jeff?
03-02-2017 , 05:10 PM
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Originally Posted by General Tsao
OK now I read the article and know for sure it doesn't implicate Greenwald in anyway...so....?

And for Snowden, you are literally using a Russian propaganda quote....A+
As you defend a guy that literally spouts Russian prop/disinfo day after day. Whatever, believe what you want and continue to **** up this thread as per usual.

      
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