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03-02-2017 , 12:32 PM

#15001

Max Cut

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Nobody knew oaths could be so complicated.

03-02-2017 , 12:33 PM

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einbert

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https://twitter.com/maxbergmann/stat...81290290024448

03-02-2017 , 12:34 PM

#15003

dudeoflife

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Now Paul Ryan talks about threats of anti-semitism. Guess Fox News needs something to cover other than the sessions debacle.

Ryan sticking with, "there's no evidence of anything..." That's why we need investigations dip****

03-02-2017 , 12:34 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by hornbug

First, thanks for posting the entire context, the whole story is based on taking a sentence fragment out of context.

Franken was asking about reports of the campaign exchanging information with Russia.

Sessions replied that he was unaware of that happening and did not do that himself. The sentence fragment you bolded does not stand alone outside of the context of the exchange. In the very sentence you pull the fragment from he mentions his sometimes being called a surrogate. Pretending he was replying in this sentence fragment to an unasked question like "have you ever had a chat with Russians about any topic at all?" is clearly dishonest.

People aren't dumb, when the media and others push these misrepresentations it becomes not incorrect to call the WaPo a fake news provider and people like Pelosi as dishonest.

People may not be dumb but then you must not be people.

That you have chosen to die on this hill is lol.

Are you getting shook that trump will have the two shortest cabinet member terms in the history of the United States?

03-02-2017 , 12:37 PM

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ogallalabob

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Originally Posted by Namath12

okay yeah blahlololabob hasn't even read the transcript or seen the video, obviously

http://www.cnn.com/2017/03/02/politi...ing/index.html

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oSEN. AL FRANKEN: "If there was any evidence that anyone affiliated with the Trump campaign communicated with the Russian government in the course of this (2016) campaign, what would you do?," the Minnesota Democrat asked.

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SESSIONS: "I'm not aware of any of those activities. I have been called a surrogate at a time or two in that campaign and I did not have communications with the Russians."

03-02-2017 , 12:38 PM

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Lololol -- Software engi from Nigeria detained at JFK, given test to prove his profession

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Omin was instructed to answer the following questions:

"Write a function to check if a Binary Search Tree is balanced."

"What is an abstract class, and why do you need it."

...Omin who has over seven years of experience in his department, was seriously sleep deprived and emotionally flustered by this point. Thus, he felt the questions were "opaque and could have multiple answers." In fact, to him they looked suspiciously like the officer simply Googled, "Questions to ask a software engineer,"

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sad thing is, if I didn't give the Wikipedia definition for these questions, it was considered a wrong answer.

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After Omin attempted to complete the ridiculous test designed to prove he was, in fact, a software engineer, he was informed by a customs official (who he suspects wasn't technically trained) that his responses were incorrect.

Bolded is such an understatement. 0% chance some customs goon knows the answers to those questions. I can only imagine being detained, asked, "How should you play 66 in middle position?", then being told, "Sorry, Yahoo Answers disagrees with you, so NO MURICA FOR YOU!"

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As Omin sat, convinced he would be denied access into the United States, an official suddenly told him he was free to go. Without any further explanation, the official apparently said, "Look, I am going to let you go, but you don’t look convincing to me."

Wtf does "look convincing" mean? Racist much?

03-02-2017 , 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by markksman

Session's statement was a flat out lie. Clearly you don't understand what being under oath means. It doesn't have to do with answering questions. You can't lie, about ANYTHING. He flat out lied about not having contact with the Russians.

Also important to note that Franken didn't ask about people "talking to the Russians about the campaign" either. That is a distinction wholly made-up by Sessions THIS MORNING. It has no relevance, yet it's his primary defense.

03-02-2017 , 12:43 PM

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Some Jeff Lord-esque spin there bob

03-02-2017 , 12:44 PM

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https://twitter.com/emzorbit/status/829140547587756032

03-02-2017 , 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by BMOL33

This will go nowhere. They don't have audio recordings of the meeting so it's basically Sessions and the Russian reps word against everyone else as to what they were discussing. The question to Sessions was if he had any contact that was related to the campaign or election. He answered no and as far as I know there is no way the public knows of right now at least to discount that. Had he been strictly asked if he had any contact whatsoever regarding anything then we would have a problem

Yeah but every congress person who serve on intel and foreign committees know he is lying and the whole thing is becoming too big to ignore. While congress has been displaying extreme cowardice and denial, few of them are sympathetic to Russia.

03-02-2017 , 12:47 PM

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https://twitter.com/PaladinCornelia/...75961146818560

https://twitter.com/PaladinCornelia/...81637499731968

https://twitter.com/PaladinCornelia/...83588635402240

https://twitter.com/PaladinCornelia/...86166735683584

03-02-2017 , 12:49 PM

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There is a non-zero chance the CIA recorded the meeting in Sessions' office ... right?

03-02-2017 , 12:51 PM

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watevs

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damn this dude on CNN just bodied Al Franken

'thats why stand up comedians shouldn't do cross-examinations'

03-02-2017 , 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by ligastar

There is a non-zero chance the CIA recorded the meeting in Sessions' office ... right?

The CIA and FBI (which handles domestic counter intelligence) would certainly take any opportunity to bug the Russian Ambassador's office.

03-02-2017 , 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by heehaww

Omin was instructed to answer the following questions:

"Write a function to check if a Binary Search Tree is balanced."

lol. I'm a software engineer and cannot answer this question, because I don't really understand what it means. If it means what I think it means, it's trivial, but I'm just not sure. Only a minority of software engineers have to worry about the internals of "binary search trees". It's a bit like "oh, you say you know how to drive a car? Cool, well, how does the differential in this car work?".

The other question ("What is an abstract class, and why do you need it.") is easy to answer for someone of my vintage, but front-end web developers might struggle. Really the absolute correct answer is "It's a concept from like 20 years ago, and I don't need it, thanks all the same".

03-02-2017 , 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Namath12

LOL, Sessions is going to try to semantikes his way outta it.

03-02-2017 , 12:57 PM

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Semantics aren't compelling in this case. Sessions was clearly a member of Trump's campaign team, he was asked about contact between the team and Russia, he acknowledged himself as part of the team and denied contacts despite having a private meeting in his office with the Russian ambassador

What Jeff Sessions said about Russia, and when

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Feb. 28, 2016. Sessions formally endorses Trump and becomes one of his campaign’s key surrogates.

March 3. Trump names Sessions as chairman of his campaign’s national security advisory committee.

[Sessions does media appearances on behalf of Trump, gives a speech supporting him at RNC]

Sept. 8. Sessions and Kislyak meet in his Senate office.

03-02-2017 , 12:57 PM

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Missed this yesterday

03-02-2017 , 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by dlk9s

I think the most amazing thing about the election and the subsequent Trump presidency is that Buzzfeed has become a legitimate news outlet.

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Originally Posted by weeeez

so the written question is different than the oral one?

kills the argument right here as there are no records (that we know of) of the conversations.

I feel its way too easy to deflect the oral answer by a *out of context* defense.
Im reading about it and watching the news and to me its not clear.
I just want to add that whatever brings these guys down is good to me but I feel a fail here.

The two questions are not connected at all. They are two entirely different questions asked by two different people and the answer to the Franken question is clear as day. While he might have gotten away with the written deception it's now extremely likely that is also a lie given his verbal lie that is crystal clear.

03-02-2017 , 01:05 PM

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In news that will not shock you, White House dismisses calls for Sessions to recuse himself

03-02-2017 , 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Namath12

In news that will not shock you, White House dismisses calls for Sessions to recuse himself

This means Trump and Session are in on something with the Russians. How can there be any doubt?

03-02-2017 , 01:07 PM

#15022

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Originally Posted by prana

Sessions willing to recuse himself The Hill reported.

Lol now he is. It's too late now Alabama Jeff.

03-02-2017 , 01:08 PM

#15023

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AG recusal: Good for EMAILZZZZZZZZ, bad for lies under oath

03-02-2017 , 01:09 PM

#15024

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Quote:

Originally Posted by markksman

Lol now he is. It's too late now Alabama Jeff.

He's not willing to recuse himself.

He said he's willing to recuse himself IF NECESSARY.

03-02-2017 , 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Namath12

Obviously a good trait for an attorney general.

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