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03-02-2017 , 09:52 AM

#14876

BMOL33

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For the record I will say I believe they did discuss the campaign and the election but good luck getting Sessions to admit that or the Russian rep to sell out Sessions. Its pretty much up to him to resign at this point if that did happen because there isn't enough evidence otherwise for Trump or Pence to fire him or force a resignation as there was with Flynn

03-02-2017 , 09:53 AM

#14877

einbert

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Quote:

Originally Posted by General Tsao

Einbert, you seem to spend 90% of your day wasting your time with calling public officials who for sure ignore you, I figured you of all people would be thrilled to write up some cliff notes.

I'm not trained as a journalist, I'm just an internet forum poster. You should support these guys who are out there doing incredible work everyday and get it straight from them:
https://www.nytimes.com/
https://www.washingtonpost.com/
http://www.teenvogue.com/
https://sarahkendzior.com/

03-02-2017 , 09:55 AM

#14878

einbert

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Quote:

Originally Posted by BMOL33

This is where We The People come in as a check and balance for democracy. We must protest to the point that keeping Sessions is untenable.

03-02-2017 , 09:56 AM

#14879

BMOL33

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Quote:

Originally Posted by einbert

This is where We The People come in as a check and balance for democracy. We must protest to the point that keeping Sessions is untenable.

Keep in mind your alternative will likely be Guiliani or Romney. I'm not sure anyone will be all the more excited with the next option anyway

03-02-2017 , 09:57 AM

#14880

Rex Ingram

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Quote:

Originally Posted by BMOL33

This will go nowhere. They don't have audio recordings of the meeting so it's basically Sessions and the Russian reps word against everyone else as to what they were discussing. The question to Sessions was if he had any contact that was related to the campaign or election. He answered no and as far as I know there is no way the public knows of right now at least to discount that. Had he been strictly asked if he had any contact whatsoever regarding anything then we would have a problem

Franken didn't ask specifically about communications related to campaign or elections, he asked sessions about contact with Russians in general

Quote:

Sessions was asked directly by Sen. Al Franken (D-Minn.): “If there is any evidence that anyone affiliated with the Trump campaign communicated with the Russian government in the course of this campaign, what will you do?”

Sessions responded, “Senator Franken, I’m not aware of any of those activities. I have been called a surrogate at a time or two in that campaign and I did not have communications with the Russians, and I’m unable to comment on it.”

03-02-2017 , 09:57 AM

#14881

Trolly McTrollson

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Originally Posted by Nicholasp27

Brace yourselves

A marathon JAQing off session incoming

I don't think this is JAQing off in the usual sense. Tsao genuinely doesn't know what's going on and doesn't know how to find out other than to ask us.

03-02-2017 , 09:57 AM

#14882

General Tsao

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In these times Romney would be a dream.

Guiliani, not so much.

03-02-2017 , 09:58 AM

#14883

Trolly McTrollson

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Originally Posted by einbert

You're doing solid work, don't let trolls tell you otherwise.

03-02-2017 , 09:59 AM

#14884

hornbug

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for the second time in US history a US president used the power of his administration to spy on and investigate the other party's campaign.

Nixon did it in 1972

Obama did it in 2016/17

Russia did its election manipulations but there is no evidence of collusion with any Americans, so Obama et al. are reduced to creating fake news to create the opposite impression. the Sessions story is a case in point of using a sentence fragment to manufacture a false claim of perjury.

03-02-2017 , 10:00 AM

#14885

General Tsao

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Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson

I don't think this is JAQing off in the usual sense. Tsao genuinely doesn't know what's going on and doesn't know how to find out other than to ask us.

I mean, I wasn't expecting you all to be such whiny sourpusses about it.

I read the wikipedia page when you all turned out to be useless.

03-02-2017 , 10:00 AM

#14886

dlk9s

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Originally Posted by einbert

I don't think my future confirmation hearing will go well when they ask why a 40-year old man subscribed to Teen Vogue.

03-02-2017 , 10:01 AM

#14887

DudeImBetter

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Originally Posted by Nicholasp27

Brace yourselves

A marathon JAQing off session incoming

Marathon gives Sessions brief cock slap HJs as they run by.

03-02-2017 , 10:05 AM

#14888

dopebeats

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Quote:

Originally Posted by hornbug

for the second time in US history a US president used the power of his administration to spy on and investigate the other party's campaign.

Nixon did it in 1972

Obama did it in 2016/17

Russia did its election manipulations but there is no evidence of collusion with any Americans, so a bit of fake news is being created to create the opposite impression.

https://twitter.com/thehill/status/837295690753662978

LOL FAKE NEWS. Trump is going to jail along with a decent bit of his administration. You can run with the fake news line. You can sit in denial that you are supporting a Russian agent. But realize Trump is going to jail. Probably for financial crimes.

https://www.fincen.gov/news/news-rel...icant-and-long

Remember, we haven't even gotten to the Panama Papers **** yet. Better get you an umbrella cause its going to keep drizzling until the bottom officially falls out.

03-02-2017 , 10:13 AM

#14889

Riverman

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Nothing will happen.

03-02-2017 , 10:19 AM

#14890

Namath12

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Originally Posted by hornbug

People aren't dumb

hahahahaha

03-02-2017 , 10:19 AM

#14891

seattlelou

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Originally Posted by BMOL33

Keep in mind your alternative will likely be Guiliani or Romney. I'm not sure anyone will be all the more excited with the next option anyway

I doubt either of those two would be a Sessions replacement. Maybe the Kansas immigration hardliner whose me, or Christie.

03-02-2017 , 10:21 AM

#14892

Namath12

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Jeff Sessions lied under oath. Dullards defending him need to reread Cuse's post til comprehension is achieved.

03-02-2017 , 10:21 AM

#14893

tame_deuces

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Quote:

Originally Posted by BMOL33

"I did not have communications with the Russians"

That is a direct quote from Session's hearing, it's on video and readily available. He was under oath when he said it.

03-02-2017 , 10:24 AM

#14894

einbert

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McMullin should primary the **** out of Trump in 2020.

https://twitter.com/Evan_McMullin/st...06872008957952

03-02-2017 , 10:24 AM

#14895

miajag

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Originally Posted by Riverman

Nothing will happen.

Kislyak is probably a safe bet to die of a "heart attack" in the next month or two.

03-02-2017 , 10:25 AM

#14896

FlyWf

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Quote:

Originally Posted by champstark

This is not standard.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson

Who are you supposed to be fooling with this?

I mean, not even himself, right? Wasn't the story awval liked to tell that the reason he voted for Trump was because ole' Daddy would brang dem jerbs back to awval's buddies back in Podunk West Ohio? That's not fiscally conservative.

03-02-2017 , 10:26 AM

#14897

13ball

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Originally Posted by General Tsao

Where're some good cliff notes on the whole Russia thing?

Is the basic theory that RNC/Trump conspired with Russia to hack into the DNC emails to get information to leak to Wikileaks to influence the election? Or that Russia has dirt on Trump, so they instigated this so they could have a puppet US President?

I somehow doubt there is a direct connection here, i. e. Trump asks for a hack and the Russians comply.

And I don't know if there are any good Cliffs on Trump/Russia connections--there are a ton of different threads and people are still investigating. But, Trump has long standing ties to Russia and Ukraine. Here's a detailed article on Michael Cohen, Trump's lawyer and right hand man for the past decade.

Also from that article:

Quote:

We know from public records that in the last decade Trump became highly dependent on money from the former Soviet Union, both to finance mega-projects like Trump SoHo but also as a source of buyers of apartment units at Trump high-rises in New York City, Florida and other locales (The Cohen brothers and their families are purchasers of at least 12 apartments in Trump buildings - 11, according to a 2006 article in The New York Post and one owned by the Oronovs, according to Florida public records.) Donald Trump, Jr. said famously in 2008 that “Russians make up a pretty disproportionate cross-section of a lot of our assets. We see a lot of money pouring in from Russia”.

Now that Trump has installed a pro-Russia Secretary of State and his appointees are dissembling about their conversations with Russian officials these connections look sinister and problematic.

03-02-2017 , 10:26 AM

#14898

einbert

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Sessions's false testimony is just the tip of the iceberg. The real meat in the pudding is stuff we still don't know yet.

https://twitter.com/mattyglesias/sta...99304612114433

03-02-2017 , 10:27 AM

#14899

General Tsao

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Out of curiosity here, for the liberals:

Do you think it was a good thing that Wikileaks released what they did release about the DNC? Maybe if the timing was different?

03-02-2017 , 10:27 AM

#14900

Namath12

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If Sessions met with some Russian(s) in an official capacity as a member of whatever committee, wouldn't there be at least notes or meeting minutes if not full audio?

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