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03-02-2017 , 08:14 AM

#14851

einbert

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Chippa58

I thought I heard he was asked the question in writing and had a similar answer. Has anyone seen the wording of that question and how it was answered? By volunteering information, Sessions avoided being asked the question directly in his hearing. Pretty obvious that he needs to at least recuse himself from investigations of the Russian connection.

https://twitter.com/cjcmichel/status/837269340210724865

03-02-2017 , 08:23 AM

#14852

Rex Ingram

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about the 2016 election gets him off the hook

03-02-2017 , 08:26 AM

#14853

Lilu7

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Rex Ingram

about the 2016 election gets him off the hook

yeah i was just going to say this... unless there's a leak that he did precisely that

03-02-2017 , 08:37 AM

#14854

Nicholasp27

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Quote:

Originally Posted by awval999

I do not self-identify as a conservative.

Standard social liberal, fiscal conservative early 30s millennial.

You aren't really socially liberal if you put lower taxes as a priority over giving people rights and treating them decently

Voting for republicans disqualifies you from being socially liberal

People can have lots of different viewpoints about issues but it's the few issues you actually vote on that defines what you are

03-02-2017 , 08:47 AM

#14855

champstark

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Quote:

Originally Posted by awval999

I do not self-identify as a conservative.

Standard social liberal, fiscal conservative early 30s millennial.

This is not standard.

03-02-2017 , 08:49 AM

#14856

Trolly McTrollson

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Quote:

Originally Posted by awval999

Standard social liberal, fiscal conservative early 30s millennial.

Who are you supposed to be fooling with this?

03-02-2017 , 08:57 AM

#14857

einbert

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Lilu7

yeah i was just going to say this... unless there's a leak that he did precisely that

Yeah but then there's this...

And this:

https://twitter.com/JohnJHarwood/sta...58749698052096

What are a Republican Senator and a Russian ambassador discussing at the RNC convention at the height of the Presidential election?

If it's so routine to talk to these guys, why not disclose it? And why did no other members of the same committee (Armed Services) meet with that ambassador during the last year if it's so routine?

https://twitter.com/stevenjay/status/837137691724640256

And then there's this.

https://twitter.com/carolelee/status/837143170987274244

Why is Sessions being investigated during the campaign? Perhaps more importantly, why wasn't this disclosed during confirmation hearings? It normally would have been as part of a normal background check. Is it super top secret classified at the FBI? If so why?

https://twitter.com/matthewamiller/s...46714243022848

This demands an independent investigation immediately.

03-02-2017 , 09:17 AM

#14858

DudeImBetter

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Originally Posted by suzzer99

Ash Wednesday - hottest new club, only open on Wednesday, secret location. Spread the word - but only to fly people.

03-02-2017 , 09:22 AM

#14859

einbert

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https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/sta...89925334732800

LOCK HIM UP! LOCK HIM UP!

03-02-2017 , 09:22 AM

#14860

dudeoflife

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Lol trump thinking bombing Yemem overnight is going to change the news cycle. imagine once it's trump being investigated. Nukes gonna fly.

03-02-2017 , 09:24 AM

#14861

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Where're some good cliff notes on the whole Russia thing?

Is the basic theory that RNC/Trump conspired with Russia to hack into the DNC emails to get information to leak to Wikileaks to influence the election? Or that Russia has dirt on Trump, so they instigated this so they could have a puppet US President?

03-02-2017 , 09:27 AM

#14862

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Originally Posted by einbert

https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/sta...89925334732800

LOCK HIM UP! LOCK HIM UP!

Quote:

Originally Posted by General Tsao

Another question from that tweet. That fellow says Russia attacked US Democracy.

So cliff notes on what Russia did in general would be fantastic - are they being accused of hacking into election polls?

03-02-2017 , 09:29 AM

#14863

bobman0330

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lol

03-02-2017 , 09:29 AM

#14864

stinkubus

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LOL why in the world is this forum responsible for doing your research for you?

03-02-2017 , 09:31 AM

#14865

General Tsao

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Quote:

Originally Posted by microbet

Sadly we're all hoping for Pence to be POTUS. Very sadly it could be the Koch Brothers behind the scene who deliver Trump's head. I believe congress is sufficiently afraid of them and I'm sure they'd prefer Pence.

They did compare Trump's Muslim ban to Nazi Germany...Definitely not Trump fans, I imagine not Pence fans either.

03-02-2017 , 09:31 AM

#14866

Nicholasp27

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Brace yourselves

A marathon JAQing off session incoming

03-02-2017 , 09:31 AM

#14867

General Tsao

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Originally Posted by stinkubus

LOL why in the world is this forum responsible for doing your research for you?

Ummm cause you guys clearly have nothing better to do?

03-02-2017 , 09:33 AM

#14868

einbert

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Originally Posted by General Tsao

Possibly all of the above. The other thing is that Trump has heavy financial ties to Russia. Heavy financial ties that we don't know the full extent of because Republicans have now voted multiple times to NOT force the release of Trump's tax returns.

http://www.inquisitr.com/3935723/don...dossier-bribe/

Quote:

Did Vladimir Putin try to bribe Donald Trump to lift sanctions on Russia with an $11 billion stake in Rosneft, the largely state-controlled Russian oil company giant? While no evidence directly links Trump to last month’s sale of a 19.5 percent stake in Rosneft to mysterious buyers whose identities have yet to be revealed, an allegation contained in the so-called “Steele Dossier” published earlier has thrust the question of the new U.S. president’s role into public scrutiny.

The “Steele Dossier,” compiled by Christopher Steele — a former British intelligence agent who now acts as a private research consultant — made headlines primarily for the allegation that Trump had hired Russian prostitutes to perform a “golden shower” show for him in a Moscow hotel.

But while the vivid imagery of Trump enjoying the scene as women urinated on each other grabbed the national imagination, the Steele Dossier contained a far more important and potentially explosive allegation: that a secretive former top Trump confidant, Carter Page, received an offer from Rosneft CEO Igor Sachin to broker a sale of 19 percent of the massive oil firm, according to a report by Business Insider last week.

According to the report, the offer of nearly 20 percent of the Russian oil megalith was tied to a promise that if elected president, Trump would lift economic sanctions against Russia that had been imposed by former President Barack Obama as punishment for Putin and Russia’s aggression against neighboring Ukraine and annexation of Crimea.

“Sechin’s associate said that the Rosneft president was so keen to lift personal and corporate western sanctions imposed on the company, that he offered Page and his associates the brokerage of up to a 19 per cent (privatized) stake in Rosneft,” according to the Steele Dossier, as quoted by Business Insider. “In return, Page had expressed interest and confirmed that were Trump elected U.S. president, then sanctions on Russia would be lifted.”

While Trump has not yet committed to lifting the sanctions, Russia sold a 19.5 percent stake in Rosneft last month for a price of 10.2 billion euros — approximately $11 billion — to a Singapore-based investment that supposedly was jointly owned by the government of Qatar and a Swiss oil trading company, Glencore, Reuters reported last week.

But experts say that the Qatar-Swiss partnership is merely a front for the real buyers, whose identity remains a deeply buried mystery, the Reuters report said.

“The main question in relation to this transaction, as ever, still sounds like this: Who is the real buyer of a 19.5 percent stake in Rosneft?” said Sergey Aleksashenko, a former high-ranking official in Russia’s central bank, Reuters reported.

In fact, the Qatar-Glencore partnership is at least partly owned by a shadowy company in the Cayman Islands — a popular haven for money laundering, tax evasion and other unregulated financial operations — according to Reuters. The ownership of the Caymans-based firm remains unknown. As part of its freewheeling financial environment, the Cayman Islands allows company owners to remain anonymous.

“The reason this is so interesting is that the dossier said this in July, and the sale didn’t happen until early December,” wrote political analyst Yonatan Zunger in a Medium.com posting on Sunday. “And 19.5 percent sounds an awful lot like “19% plus a brokerage commission.”

Another possible reason that the true buyers of the Rosneft shares may need to remain anonymous is that the sale itself may violate the very sanctions that Sachin, Putin, and Russia would like to see lifted — as explained by former Obama administration State Department Deputy Envoy Amos Hochstein in the video below.

03-02-2017 , 09:35 AM

#14869

einbert

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So cliff notes on what Russia did in general would be fantastic - are they being accused of hacking into election polls?

Dude have you been living under a rock. Read the newspaper sometimes.

03-02-2017 , 09:36 AM

#14870

einbert

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Paul Ryan: We Know Russia Meddled in the Election No One Is Disputing That

03-02-2017 , 09:42 AM

#14871

Rex Ingram

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Quote:

Originally Posted by General Tsao

Right now it seems like Trump is a useful idiot. Russia saw in Trump, someone who didn't have a good understanding of foreign policy and had favorable positions to them on a lot of issues. They surrounded him with people they had influence over and worked to help him get elected. It is also likely that they have leverage over him, financial or what not.

03-02-2017 , 09:42 AM

#14872

General Tsao

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Einbert, you seem to spend 90% of your day wasting your time with calling public officials who for sure ignore you, I figured you of all people would be thrilled to write up some cliff notes.

03-02-2017 , 09:46 AM

#14873

einbert

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The truth is I would if I expected you to take them seriously. But you're a grown up, you can use the Googles.

03-02-2017 , 09:47 AM

#14874

BMOL33

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This will go nowhere. They don't have audio recordings of the meeting so it's basically Sessions and the Russian reps word against everyone else as to what they were discussing. The question to Sessions was if he had any contact that was related to the campaign or election. He answered no and as far as I know there is no way the public knows of right now at least to discount that. Had he been strictly asked if he had any contact whatsoever regarding anything then we would have a problem