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03-02-2017 , 12:01 AM
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Originally Posted by surfinillini
While these stories add a layer of intrigue to what we already know, I see absolutely nothing happening or coming from these developments.

As long as this administration, which includes Sessions, still crushes all dissent from within (including the intel community), this will all fall on deaf ears.

Both maddening and saddening.
At the very least it's another crack in the Trump Administration armor. There's been what, 3-4 people connected with Russia/Trump? If there's 3-4, there's probably 10 more we don't know about yet.

Trump really really ****ed up calling the press the enemy of the US people. What's the old argument? Never start a fight w/ a guy that buys ink by the barrel. Someone out there knows something and it's only a matter of time before the proverbial dam breaks.
03-02-2017 , 12:03 AM
I don't know how Sessions and the Dem party can co exist at this point, one cannot live while the other survives
03-02-2017 , 12:03 AM
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Originally Posted by MrWookie
And I am still somewhat befuddled by the samsonh face turn, but life is full of wonders.
You're welcome. Became more educated on topics. Continued to expand friend group and realized a lot of preconceived notions were wrong.
03-02-2017 , 12:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Namath12
I don't know how Sessions and the Dem party can co exist at this point, one cannot live while the other survives
RIP Dems.
03-02-2017 , 12:08 AM
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Originally Posted by RV Life
At the very least it's another crack in the Trump Administration armor. There's been what, 3-4 people connected with Russia/Trump? If there's 3-4, there's probably 10 more we don't know about yet.

Trump really really ****ed up calling the press the enemy of the US people. What's the old argument? Never start a fight w/ a guy that buys ink by the barrel. Someone out there knows something and it's only a matter of time before the proverbial dam breaks.
Until someone comes out publicly and snitches it's all going to be based on anonymous sources that the WH can then deny as "fake news".

So unless the FBI can turn someone to talk, maybe because of fear of getting clipped by the FSB, then it's all going to be filed under the "fake news" narrative.

As much as I'd like to see Sessions go, this is a non-story imho.
03-02-2017 , 12:08 AM
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Originally Posted by samsonh
You're welcome. Became more educated on topics. Continued to expand friend group and realized a lot of preconceived notions were wrong.
In the immortal words of Robin Hood: Men in Tights, "It's a good change! That's a good change!"
03-02-2017 , 12:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Lestat
Whoops! Okay. I thought the law was that you'd lose your FOI card if diagnosed with a mental health issue. I stand corrected on that. But I still think you'll have a significant portion of the population who doesn't yet own a gun who might be reluctant to seek psychiatric treatment out of fear that they'll never be able to own a gun. Do you disagree with that?
I find this to be a quite confusing. What is the mindset of these people?

They have to be :
1 - Aware enough of their own mental health issues that they consider seeking help.
2 - Not yet have a gun.
3- Aware that there is a law that may possibly prevent them from owning a gun if they seek help. (This is probably a more restrictive limitation than you would first imagine. Like 1/4 people thought Obamacare and ACA were different.)
4 - Despite the fact that they do not currently own a gun, value the ability to have the gun at some point in the future enough to forego seeking mental health treatment.

I mean, maybe? What is a significant portion of people?

There are already so many barriers to mental health treatment (cost, availability, social stigma, time restrictions, lack of self awareness) that the fear of possibly not having a gun in the future seems like something you wouldn't worry too much about. Especially when balanced against the benefit of keeping guns out of the hands of mentally ill individuals and, ostensibly, having less guns in circulation, period.

Not saying this is the best solution or whatever, just that this particular objection to it doesn't carry much weight with me.
03-02-2017 , 12:12 AM
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Originally Posted by surfinillini
Until someone comes out publicly and snitches it's all going to be based on anonymous sources that the WH can then deny as "fake news".

So unless the FBI can turn someone to talk, maybe because of fear of getting clipped by the FSB, then it's all going to be filed under the "fake news" narrative.

As much as I'd like to see Sessions go, this is a non-story imho.
whoever they get i pray to science they're not a woman because trump dodged over a dozen accusations from women going on the record revealing their names and faces and nobody gave a **** not even women voters
03-02-2017 , 12:14 AM
https://twitter.com/delrayser/status/837130777615814657

03-02-2017 , 12:14 AM
Even if perjury isn't applicable on some technical grounds, is there any argument that Dems can pursue that the confirmation hearings were invalid based on withholding this information? Surely Franken would have questioned him differently and this would have been headline making news if Sessions had revealed it as it was asked.
03-02-2017 , 12:16 AM
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Originally Posted by surfinillini
Until someone comes out publicly and snitches it's all going to be based on anonymous sources that the WH can then deny as "fake news".

So unless the FBI can turn someone to talk, maybe because of fear of getting clipped by the FSB, then it's all going to be filed under the "fake news" narrative.

As much as I'd like to see Sessions go, this is a non-story imho.

Yea, but his own office admits he talked Kislyak.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/investi...als-1488424871

Ms. Flores said the contact last July occurred when Mr. Sessions spoke at a Heritage Foundation event attended by Mr. Kislyak in Cleveland, appearing in his capacity as a senator, not a campaign official. She said several ambassadors approached Mr. Sessions after his speech at the Heritage Foundation event, including Mr. Kislyak.

“It was short and informal,” she said.


There argument is basically it doesn't count because Sessions was a Senator at the time.

“I have been called a surrogate at a time or two in that campaign and I didn’t have—did not have communications with the Russians, and I’m unable to comment on it,” he said.

I get your pessimism but this is a bigly story.
03-02-2017 , 12:18 AM
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Originally Posted by samsonh
The 2016 election has cost liberals wil and Lestat.
The setback is no less severe for being imaginary, don't make light of this
03-02-2017 , 12:18 AM
I was listening to NPR's Fresh Air on the way home earlier. Terry Gross was interviewing some journalists from the New Yorker about Russia and the campaign and it was all pretty interesting and all, but nothing to get excited about given what we already know. I Walk in the door, turn on the TV and wow.

And- this just in, Trump is out with a statement attacking Franken and the media.
03-02-2017 , 12:21 AM
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Originally Posted by TheNewT50
Even if perjury isn't applicable on some technical grounds, is there any argument that Dems can pursue that the confirmation hearings were invalid based on withholding this information? Surely Franken would have questioned him differently and this would have been headline making news if Sessions had revealed it as it was asked.
It would not have been headline making news if he said - "Yea, I spoke with that guy once or twice. It was really quick and I don't really remember what we spoke about. It certainly wasn't on a plane on the tarmac for like 45 minutes or something like that."

That would have been totally standard and forgettable, and is basically what a bunch of other Trump people said already. What makes it bad at all is lying about it - see Flynn.

Anyways, this isn't going to go anywhere because Sessions can just say the above now, or I just forgot, or "I thought you meant in my capacity as a Trump transition person, I talked to him as a Senator". He'll be fine. His handpicked speech-bot Stephen Miller is like in the inner circle with him. Way too close to the throne to chuck unless something way more damning comes out.
03-02-2017 , 12:24 AM
and here we go

03-02-2017 , 12:28 AM
^^^^^^

Par for the course.
03-02-2017 , 12:29 AM
SENT FROM HIS I PHONE BY GOD
03-02-2017 , 12:30 AM
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Originally Posted by GTO2.0
It would not have been headline making news if he said - "Yea, I spoke with that guy once or twice. It was really quick and I don't really remember what we spoke about. It certainly wasn't on a plane on the tarmac for like 45 minutes or something like that."

That would have been totally standard and forgettable, and is basically what a bunch of other Trump people said already. What makes it bad at all is lying about it - see Flynn.
But that's not what happened. He had a closed door meeting in his office with the ambassador. That's more than shaking hands at a conference and that's definitely something that would have gotten discussion during his confirmation hearing.
03-02-2017 , 12:32 AM
Trump seriously is going with the old 'deny reality' flim-flam here?
03-02-2017 , 12:32 AM
Sessions is bigly horrible for the country. Nevertheless this will be swept under the rug by end of business day tomorrow. Brave new world folks.
03-02-2017 , 12:34 AM
pessimist
03-02-2017 , 12:35 AM
rain fire down imo

03-02-2017 , 12:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Namath12
pessimist
Realist
03-02-2017 , 12:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Namath12
pessimist
Nah. Just being a realist. They got the ****ing guy on tape lying. And the WH can still go out and deny it and call it fake news. Bend the narrative around their own facts. That's how Bannon and this admin works. Pretty sick.
03-02-2017 , 12:40 AM
WH not even denying it. LOL.

That part about Al Franken trying to steal Trump's thunder is hilarious.

I can see Trump just getting angry and being like "Why are they trying to ruin my day?"

      
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