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03-01-2017 , 05:27 PM

#14601

Minirra

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Quote:

Originally Posted by bobman0330

Never thought about it much, but I never like seeing widows/vets get trotted out there for these sorts of things. This isn't just Trump obviously lots of them do it. Poor taste

03-01-2017 , 05:27 PM

#14602

einbert

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Quote:

Originally Posted by JacktheDumb

JFC, the USA must have to be the only nation on earth were people have to debate whether or not mentally ill people should be allowed to buy and carry guns.

The new administration is taking steps to make guns available to mentally ill people and keep dangerous marijuana out of the hands of the people as well. They're really looking out for our best interests. War is peace, freedom is slavery, etc.

03-01-2017 , 05:28 PM

#14603

microbet

Solar Powered

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Quote:

Originally Posted by einbert

I'm sure all the people who recently stated "as long as they're only deporting criminals it seems fine" like Inso0 will be outraged now.

I foresee an awful lot of "It was one bad ICE officer/Customs Agent and that says nothing about 99% of them" and "That dreamer was no angel."

03-01-2017 , 05:31 PM

#14604

El_Timon

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Quote:

Originally Posted by otatop

Well the guy running that place is omnipotent for one.

Sad, or #FakeRatings?

These ratings don't count the 10 million viewers in Spicer's Twitch feed, obviously.

03-01-2017 , 05:32 PM

#14605

wheatrich

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Quote:

Originally Posted by goofyballer

Re: bobman's tweet - it's absurd how little the media required to start slobbering over Trump like this, it makes zero sense how people like Van Jones were waiting to be romanced by a single non-rambling speech that didn't even veer from his established policy goals.

I had the same reaction the vets did but that's politics, same old stuff b/c it works. The media just didn't like getting yelled at is all. I wish I could say I was surprised that people who he called enemies gleefully want his adoration now but ofc I'm not and the joke's on them--Trump will always hate each one of them until they're all replaced with his group. Bullying works kids.

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03-01-2017 , 05:35 PM

#14606

ScreaminAsian

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03-01-2017 , 05:37 PM

#14607

Huehuecoyotl

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ok that's clever

03-01-2017 , 05:40 PM

#14608

watevs

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Minirra

Never thought about it much, but I never like seeing widows/vets get trotted out there for these sorts of things. This isn't just Trump obviously lots of them do it. Poor taste

I liked this perspective

https://theintercept.com/2017/03/01/...ar-propaganda/

03-01-2017 , 05:44 PM

#14609

Namath12

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We ordered irony on the side but the idiots in the kitchen just dumped it right on top

03-01-2017 , 05:44 PM

#14610

General Tsao

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Quote:

Originally Posted by watevs

I liked this perspective

https://theintercept.com/2017/03/01/...ar-propaganda/

Quote:

Senior Chief Ryan Owens is a household name, and his wife, Carryn, is the subject of national admiration and sympathy. But the overwhelming majority of Americans do not know, and will never learn, the name of even a single foreign victim out of the many hundreds of thousands that their country has killed over the last 15 years. This imbalance plays a massive role in how Americans understand themselves, the countries their government invades and bombs, and the Endless War that is being waged.

Quote:

BUT UNIQUE OR not, this is an incredibly consequential tool of war propaganda. By dramatizing the deaths of Americans while disappearing the country’s victims, this technique ensures that Americans perpetually regard themselves as victims of horrific, savage, tragic violence but never the perpetrators of it. That, in turn, is what keeps Americans supporting endless war: These savages keep killing us, so we have no choice but to fight them.

Ugh, so well said.

03-01-2017 , 05:47 PM

#14611

LostOstrich

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Originally Posted by General Tsao

Right, well, thankfully here in America we tend to frown upon denying civil liberties based on what large groups of people may statistically do.

credit where credit's due, this is good trolling.

03-01-2017 , 06:04 PM

#14612

AllTheCheese

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Quote:

Originally Posted by LostOstrich

credit where credit's due, this is good trolling.

It's not trolling. It's actually a good point.

03-01-2017 , 06:14 PM

#14613

einbert

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https://twitter.com/TomWellborn/stat...54361058557952

Sources:
https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-...house-bill/899
https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-...0%22%5D%7D&r=1
https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-...house-bill/861
etc.

03-01-2017 , 06:23 PM

#14614

adios

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Quote:

Originally Posted by RV Life

I have a question about the political spectrum. You have the RWNJ that love authoritarianism and fascism. But fascism is on the left of the political spectrum. What gives?

Is it just that RWNJ refuse to acknowledge fascism in general but yet unaware they are supporting it?

It's just so weird to me. They love capitalism yet scream "Fake news!" and want a police state because browns. They want less government, but more ICE or whatever the **** it is.

Nope

03-01-2017 , 07:15 PM

#14615

ScreaminAsian

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White House rebuffs ethics office recommendation to discipline Kellyanne Conway

Stefan C. Passantino, who handles White House ethics issues as deputy counsel to President Trump, wrote in a letter Tuesday that his office concluded Conway was speaking in a “light, offhand manner” when she touted the Ivanka Trump line during a Feb. 9 appearance on “Fox & Friends.” At the time, she was addressing efforts by activists to persuade retailers such as Nordstrom to drop Ivanka Trump-branded items.

“We concluded that Ms. Conway acted inadvertently and is highly unlikely to do so again,” Passantino wrote to Walter M. Schaub, Jr., director of the Office of Government Ethics, adding that Conway made the comments “without nefarious motive or intent to benefit personally.”

03-01-2017 , 07:20 PM

#14616

otatop

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ScreaminAsian

“We concluded that Ms. Conway acted inadvertently and is highly unlikely to do so again,” Passantino wrote to Walter M. Schaub, Jr., director of the Office of Government Ethics, adding that Conway made the comments “without nefarious motive or intent to benefit personally.”

lolololololol

03-01-2017 , 07:48 PM

#14617

5ive

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Namath12

Oh I've loved him til now but feel like he ****ed my ex wife tonight

Not end of world stuff but gonna take a while for me to get over

You caught Van creeping out the window when you went to drop off your kids.

03-01-2017 , 08:01 PM

#14618

markksman

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Quote:

Originally Posted by einbert

It's possible the media wants to come off as "even-handed" or even validating of a new President, and they've been criticizing him so much since the election they were looking for an opportunity to validate/praise him, even a stupidly flimsy one like this.

It goes to show that despite the recent good behavior, the media still has incredible fundamental problems that are going to be extremely difficult to overcome and continue to have a democracy going forward.

I also think the fact that he didn't attack the media made them weak in the knees. In totality the media response to his speech has been horrible and they are once again being manipulated like crazy. It's like the abused wife who then goes back to their husband because he says a couple of things that aren't abusive.

03-01-2017 , 08:03 PM

#14619

markksman

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Quote:

Originally Posted by einbert

I'm sure all the people who recently stated "as long as they're only deporting criminals it seems fine" like Inso0 will be outraged now.

ICE is pulling cars over?

03-01-2017 , 08:06 PM

#14620

5ive

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Quote:

Originally Posted by BroadwaySushy

Well, yeah considering no-one in the previous administration could say it, he probably does deserve a prize for saying it.

Quote:

Originally Posted by BroadwaySushy

What for?

Sticking your head in the sand.

Get the **** back in your hole.

03-01-2017 , 08:06 PM

#14621

Huehuecoyotl

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Quote:

A White House official tells CNN that President Trump's comments to news anchors about an immigration compromise was a "misdirection play" in an effort to appease the media. Our panel weighs in

Guys there will be no compromise, no softening, no pivot. Stop thinking there ever will be.

http://www.cnn.com/videos/tv/2017/03...-lead-live.cnn

03-01-2017 , 08:15 PM

#14622

5ive

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Quote:

Originally Posted by truefish

Why are you so angry? Were you this angry when it was mentioned that Obama sounded presidential? Did you call him the mother****ing president as well? One thing I notice about the open minded compassionate left, is that they are so angry all the time.

There's a whole forum just for you idiots:

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/21...version-7-0-a/

03-01-2017 , 08:16 PM

#14623

einbert

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Quote:

Originally Posted by markksman

ICE is pulling cars over?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/...9a3u11v0553ik9

Quote:

WASHINGTON ― Federal immigration authorities arrested a 22-year-old woman in Jackson, Mississippi, on Wednesday shortly after she spoke to the media about the detention of her family. Law enforcement had initially declined to arrest Daniela Vargas, who was previously granted deportation reprieve under the Obama administration’s deferred action program.

On Feb. 15, Vargas was half-asleep at home when Immigration and Custom Enforcement agents came for her family. Her father, a house painter, kissed her goodbye on his way to work and was apprehended in the driveway, Vargas told The Huffington Post last week. She says she never saw her brother, a construction worker who was also detained.

Vargas’ family came to the U.S. from Argentina over 15 years ago. She’d previously had protection under the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals program. The program now has an uncertain future under President Donald Trump.

When the agents arrived, Vargas had a problem: Her DACA status, which has to be renewed every two years, had expired ― and because of the high cost of renewal, $495, her application had only been received on Feb. 10. (Vargas provided HuffPost with a copy of her receipt.) Scared, Vargas went into her house, locked the door and hid in a closet for hours while she sobbed and called her mother. Eventually, she says, ICE agents forced their way in with a warrant, guns raised. The house was searched ― officers had previously found a gun, which Vargas said the family owned for protection ― and she was handcuffed. As local news reporters arrived, she was eventually released.

Agents declined to arrest Vargas at that time, she told HuffPost. Her father and brother were sent to a detention center in Louisiana, where they now await deportation. (An ICE spokesperson at the time described their detention as routine enforcement.)

When Vargas last spoke to HuffPost, in an email on Tuesday, she said she was scared she was being watched, and was moving around because she was “afraid to stay in one spot and be taken back to Argentina.”

Vargas told local news outlets about her story. On Wednesday, she spoke at a news conference organized by local immigration advocates to highlight immigrants’ contributions to the community, according to her attorney, Abby Peterson. Afterward, she was pulled over and arrested, and is now being processed by immigration authorities.

“It could be retaliation,” Peterson said. “They had been reading about her in the news, they had seen her at this press conference... [maybe] they didn’t want to hear it anymore. Maybe I’m mistaken on that, but common sense would certainly imply that’s what happened.” Peterson said that Vargas did not have a criminal record, but had minor traffic offenses.