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The Presidency of Donald J. Trump: No smocking guns. The Presidency of Donald J. Trump: No smocking guns.

03-01-2017 , 04:12 PM
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Originally Posted by markksman
I would think that some people with mental illness would NOT acquire a gun because it is illegal but might proceed to do so if legal.

In your opinion are a portion of mentally ill people able to retain a sense of law and order and morality when it comes to breaking laws? I would assume like everyone else they can.

I am a gun owner and support gun ownership but I think there are all kinds of laws that need to be maintained or added to control that sphere. The mental illness one is one. Buying guns at gun shows is another (and that is where I got my first gun).

I don't want guns made illegal but I do think that there absolutely would be less issues if the only way to obtain guns was illegally. I think removing limitations on groups that are high risk to themselves and others is a horrible mistake. Literally the only benefit is to sell more guns. It's gross and irresponsible.
The problem with the executive order was that it restricted senior citizens who did not have mental illness, and posed no violent threat to themselves or anyone else, from their Second Amendment rights, without due process, if they had an appointed fiduciary to take care of their Social Security payments.
03-01-2017 , 04:20 PM
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Originally Posted by truefish
I voted for Obama and I voted for Trump. I am optimistic. Good day fellas.
Post five credible sources or go away. You don't just get to play this game where everyone else is wrong while not committing to anything yourself.

If you can claim all those sources are not credible you MUST have a list of sources you consider credible so give them up.
03-01-2017 , 04:21 PM
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Originally Posted by microbet
Dunno what he said and would not be surprised if it's something I wouldn't like because anything other than "**** Trump" is wrong, but w/e, Van Jones rules.
In America this is not called murders, it is called collateral and it is a necessary evil, since the USA has to enforce their values which we all know are great.
03-01-2017 , 04:23 PM
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Originally Posted by microbet
“Wehret den Anfängen” - “Resist the beginnings”

Is right on target. However serious Trump is he went too far. "The press is the enemy of the American people" is the equivalent of saying "I've got a bomb" when you get on an airplane. It doesn't matter what your intent was or if you really do have a bomb; you're off the plane immediately at the very least.
This is exactly how I feel. It is absolutely unbelievable to me that so many people in this country are both ok with what he has said about the press and believe it. His "fake news" and "enemy of the people" statements about some of the most reputable news outlets in the world should unequivocally disqualify Donald Trump from holding the office of the Presidency.
03-01-2017 , 04:23 PM
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Originally Posted by dinopoker
You basically just go buy them from people who got them legally.

Sadly that's true, I'm not even making it up.
Gun shows, newspaper ads, online ads. Wouldn't be difficult. No questions asked. The average Joe may not know but could easily figure it out.
03-01-2017 , 04:35 PM
http://www.clarionledger.com/story/n...ence/98589720/

Publically speak out about fears of deportation? Congrats you'll get raided by ICE that very day!

(I didn't fact check this, so take it fwiw)
03-01-2017 , 04:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Dominic
I called that at least a month ago. Your pony is very unpresidented.
03-01-2017 , 04:40 PM
I have a question about the political spectrum. You have the RWNJ that love authoritarianism and fascism. But fascism is on the left of the political spectrum. What gives?

Is it just that RWNJ refuse to acknowledge fascism in general but yet unaware they are supporting it?

It's just so weird to me. They love capitalism yet scream "Fake news!" and want a police state because browns. They want less government, but more ICE or whatever the **** it is.
03-01-2017 , 04:48 PM
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Originally Posted by General Tsao
The problem with the executive order was that it restricted senior citizens who did not have mental illness, and posed no violent threat to themselves or anyone else, from their Second Amendment rights, without due process, if they had an appointed fiduciary to take care of their Social Security payments.
Older people are more likely to commit suicide.


Suicide Rates by Age
In 2015, the highest suicide rate (19.6) was among adults between 45 and 64 years of age. The second highest rate (19.4) occurred in those 85 years or older. Younger groups have had consistently lower suicide rates than middle-aged and older adults. In 2015, adolescents and young adults aged 15 to 24 had a suicide rate of 12.5.

https://afsp.org/about-suicide/suicide-statistics/
03-01-2017 , 04:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Huehuecoyotl
Sounds like things at the State Department are going swimmingly. The whole article is pretty bleak.



https://www.theatlantic.com/internat...utm_source=twb
Dayyyum

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They think Jared [Kushner, Trump’s son-in-law] can do everything. It’s reminiscent of the developing countries where I’ve served. The family rules everything, and the Ministry of Foreign Affairs knows nothing.
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Tillerson’s chief of staff is not his own, but is, according to the Washington Post, a Trump transition alum named Margaret Peterlin. “Tillerson is surrounded by a bunch of rather mysterious Trumpistas,” said the senior State official who recently left. “How the hell is he supposed to do his job when even his right hand is not his own person?” One State Department employee told me that Peterlin has instructed staff that all communications with Tillerson have to go through her, and even scolded someone for answering a question Tillerson asked directly, in a meeting.
03-01-2017 , 04:59 PM
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Originally Posted by RV Life
I have a question about the political spectrum. You have the RWNJ that love authoritarianism and fascism. But fascism is on the left of the political spectrum. What gives?

Is it just that RWNJ refuse to acknowledge fascism in general but yet unaware they are supporting it?

It's just so weird to me. They love capitalism yet scream "Fake news!" and want a police state because browns. They want less government, but more ICE or whatever the **** it is.
Not sure where you get the idea that fascism is on the left end of the spectrum, I believe most political scientists agree it's a far-right authoritarian ideology.

On the extreme authoritarian left, you would have cronyist socialism or communism. On the extreme democratic left, liberal democratic socialism.
03-01-2017 , 05:05 PM
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Originally Posted by RV Life
Older people are more likely to commit suicide.


Suicide Rates by Age
In 2015, the highest suicide rate (19.6) was among adults between 45 and 64 years of age. The second highest rate (19.4) occurred in those 85 years or older. Younger groups have had consistently lower suicide rates than middle-aged and older adults. In 2015, adolescents and young adults aged 15 to 24 had a suicide rate of 12.5.

https://afsp.org/about-suicide/suicide-statistics/
Right, well, thankfully here in America we tend to frown upon denying civil liberties based on what large groups of people may statistically do.

As the ACLU said (yeah, the ACLU supported getting rid of this EO, too):
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...regulation of firearms and individual gun ownership or use must be consistent with civil liberties principles, such as due process, equal protection, freedom from unlawful searches, and privacy. All individuals have the right to be judged on the basis of their individual capabilities, not the characteristics and capabilities that are sometimes attributed (often mistakenly) to any group or class to which they belong. A disability should not constitute grounds for the automatic per se denial of any right or privilege, including gun ownership.
Here's the rest of their letter, which was a nice read in general about discriminating against those with various handicaps.

https://waysandmeans.house.gov/wp-co...17/01/ACLU.pdf
03-01-2017 , 05:05 PM
I almost feel bad for Tillerson--give up 300 Mil/yr just to get the russian sanctions lifted so he makes billions and now that's not even gonna happen. (at least for awhile)

Ivanka/Kushner are clearly the secs of state of this country now if not the whole state dept and that's just how it's gonna be.

Pence doubled down on mexico's gonna pay for the wall because everyone treats their neighbor by building a fence and then insisting the neighbor pay for it. Somehow this is okay with many people.
03-01-2017 , 05:06 PM

https://twitter.com/rabiasquared/sta...28717624573952
03-01-2017 , 05:07 PM
03-01-2017 , 05:12 PM
JFC, the USA must have to be the only nation on earth were people have to debate whether or not mentally ill people should be allowed to buy and carry guns.
03-01-2017 , 05:13 PM

https://twitter.com/igorvolsky/statu...46727341400065
03-01-2017 , 05:16 PM


https://twitter.com/jdawsey1/status/837037438765789188
03-01-2017 , 05:16 PM
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Originally Posted by RV Life
I have a question about the political spectrum. You have the RWNJ that love authoritarianism and fascism. But fascism is on the left of the political spectrum. What gives?

Is it just that RWNJ refuse to acknowledge fascism in general but yet unaware they are supporting it?

It's just so weird to me. They love capitalism yet scream "Fake news!" and want a police state because browns. They want less government, but more ICE or whatever the **** it is.
Authoritarianism/Totalitarianism can be left or right and a lot of the horrible human rights violations stem from any one party totalitarian state, whether it's left or right. The power base for fascism is a wealthy ownership class, maybe extending to the middle class. Fascism is nationalistic, sexist, classist and racist. Hierarchy is very important.

Totalitarians on the left can be just as bad to groups of people, but ostensibly for different reasons. The base of power on the extreme left is either industrial workers or peasants, but it never seems to be both at the same time. Ostensibly there should be no classism, racism or sexism; only ideological purity. In practice any system with a lot of power will tend to have some powerful class of people - party members, clergy, w/e.

Stalin muddles things because he veered pretty hard nationalist and persecuted ethnic minorities as well as political enemies.
03-01-2017 , 05:18 PM
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Originally Posted by einbert

https://twitter.com/igorvolsky/statu...46727341400065
I'm sure all the people who recently stated "as long as they're only deporting criminals it seems fine" like Inso0 will be outraged now.
03-01-2017 , 05:18 PM
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Originally Posted by microbet
Dayyyum
So US foreign policy is now made by the Trump Clan and retired Generals?
03-01-2017 , 05:23 PM
Re: bobman's tweet - it's absurd how little the media required to start slobbering over Trump like this, it makes zero sense how people like Van Jones were waiting to be romanced by a single non-rambling speech that didn't even veer from his established policy goals.
03-01-2017 , 05:23 PM
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Originally Posted by einbert
Not sure where you get the idea that fascism is on the left end of the spectrum, I believe most political scientists agree it's a far-right authoritarian ideology.

On the extreme authoritarian left, you would have cronyist socialism or communism. On the extreme democratic left, liberal democratic socialism.
If by extreme in the amount of democracy, I'd say libertarian socialism, anarcho-socialism, anarcho-syndicalism, or some other flavor or anarchism excluding anarcho-capitalism.
03-01-2017 , 05:26 PM
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Originally Posted by goofyballer
Re: bobman's tweet - it's absurd how little the media required to start slobbering over Trump like this, it makes zero sense how people like Van Jones were waiting to be romanced by a single non-rambling speech that didn't even veer from his established policy goals.
It's possible the media wants to come off as "even-handed" or even validating of a new President, and they've been criticizing him so much since the election they were looking for an opportunity to validate/praise him, even a stupidly flimsy one like this.

It goes to show that despite the recent good behavior, the media still has incredible fundamental problems that are going to be extremely difficult to overcome and continue to have a democracy going forward.
03-01-2017 , 05:26 PM
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Originally Posted by goofyballer
Re: bobman's tweet - it's absurd how little the media required to start slobbering over Trump like this, it makes zero sense how people like Van Jones were waiting to be romanced by a single non-rambling speech that didn't even veer from his established policy goals.
And the guy who said he likes soldiers that weren't captured and refused to take any responsibility for the raid that took Owens' life parading his widow like a prop is just the tip of the iceberg for the many things that were wrong with it.

      
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