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The Presidency of Donald J. Trump: No smocking guns. The Presidency of Donald J. Trump: No smocking guns.

03-01-2017 , 11:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Namath12
Eyes and ears? Ability to read? Cognitive skills to process information?
I want examples. Don't just follow like a sheep.

I am not making the claim so I don't have to prove anything. You prove it.

Lets see some examples and facts. Grabbing **ssy and immigration reform is not fascism.
03-01-2017 , 11:58 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by truefish
I want examples. Don't just follow like a sheep.

I am not making the claim so I don't have to prove anything. You prove it.

Lets see some examples and facts. Grabbing **ssy and immigration reform is not fascism.
A final response to the "Tell me why Trump is a fascist".
https://www.reddit.com/r/EnoughTrump...hy_trump_is_a/
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Trump openly calls for the U.S to commit war crimes and advocates for the murder of innocent women and children.

http://thinkprogress.org/politics/20...amily-members/

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...-a6912496.html

http://www.cnn.com/2015/12/02/politi...ists-families/

http://www.dailywire.com/news/3891/t...s-ben-shapiro/

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...ry-commit-war/

Trump doubles down after veterans speak out claiming U.S soldiers would not commit war crimes or torture children even if ordered to. Trump responds with, “They’re not going to refuse me. If I say do it, they’re going to do it.“

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...ry-commit-war/

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-me...ar-donald-tru/

http://theweek.com/speedreads/610361...ure-war-crimes

http://www.telesurtv.net/english/opi...0307-0011.html

http://reason.com/blog/2016/03/03/do...-wont-refuse-h

http://www.rawstory.com/2016/03/a-re...es-war-crimes/

http://www.democracynow.org/2016/3/1..._to_commit_war

Trump on torture: “Even if it doesn’t work they probably deserved it anyway.”

http://www.cnn.com/2016/03/11/opinio...rican-torture/

http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/...hey-deserve-it

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...hey-deserve-it

Trump renews calls for torture citing public executions and mass rape committed by ISIS promising for the U.S to do the same, “fighting fire with fire.”

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewir...arding-torture

Trump says Geneva Conventions a problem and needs to be changed since, US soldiers are to afraid to do their job due to laws which outline the definition of war crimes.

http://www.politico.com/blogs/2016-g...21394?cmpid=sf

Trump threatens to shoot down Russian planes starting war with Russia.

http://www.newsweek.com/trump-says-u...ls-fail-454902

Trump says he would shoot Iranian ships out of the water starting a war with Iran.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/09/09/politi...ld-trump-iran/

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/vid...the_water.html

Trump says he, "won’t rule out” using nuclear weapons in Europe.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...-a6961101.html

Trump calls for a global nuclear rearmament.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...ump-thinks-so/

http://time.com/4276960/trump-wants-...nuclear-genie/

Trump says he would declare a World War as President.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nati...icle-1.2712682

http://thinkprogress.org/world/2016/...e-nice-france/

http://crooksandliars.com/2016/07/tr...-world-war-iii

Trump's solution for high gas prices is to violate The Geneva Convention by invading several of America's allies in the Middle East and Africa unprovoked to forcibly seize the oil fields for himself.

http://blogs.abcnews.com/george/2011...-and-iraq.html

http://www.forbes.com/sites/williamp.../#700458db29b9

When asked for clarification about the above mentioned plan to steal land from multiple nations on two different continents Trump responded with, “We’re not stealing anything. We’re taking.“

http://content.time.com/time/special...068345,00.html

Trump says during debate he wants to invade Syria with 30,000 soldiers.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/03/11/politi...0-troops-isis/

Trump runs TV add promising to seize foreign oil fields.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/vid..._campaign.html

Trump promises mandatory Death Penalty for anyone accused of murdering a police officer despite no legal grounds to impose that.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...lice-officers/

http://www.cnn.com/2015/12/10/politi...death-penalty/

Trump thinks lethal injection is “too comfortable” Wants to devise a more painful way to execute people.

http://thinkprogress.org/justice/201...minal-justice/

The man Trump hired to write his books for him says he honestly believes Trump would start a nuclear war if president.

http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/20...iter-tells-all

Anne Frank's sister (now 86 years old) says that Trump reminds her of Hitler.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/01/27/politi...-adolf-hitler/

North Korean Dictator Kim Jong-Un endorses Donald Trump.

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/...n-donald-trump

http://nationalreport.net/kim-jong-u...-donald-trump/

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-no...-idUSKCN0YN35S

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/poli...icle-1.2655453

http://www.vanityfair.com/news/2016/...mp-north-korea

Russian leader with history of human rights abuses Vladimir Putin endorses Trump.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...-a7008601.html

http://www.thepoliticalinsider.com/v...-announcement/

Imam of known Islamic Terrorist (Omar Mateen) endorses Trump.

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefi...m-is-pro-trump

K.K.K endorses Trump.

http://www.rawstory.com/2016/04/a-lo...ndorses-trump/

http://www.snopes.com/2016/05/02/kla...ndorses-trump/

Convicted Neo-Nazi Terrorist Don Black endorses Trump.

http://www.businessinsider.com/trump...ebsite-2015-12

http://www.nationalmemo.com/an-extre...-donald-trump/

Chinese Communist Party endorses Trump.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/article...ald-trump.html

Serbian War Criminal Vojislav Seselj endorses Trump.

http://reverbpress.com/world/trump-j...to-kill-video/

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articl...-to-back-trump

Greek Neo-Nazi leader Ilias Panagiotaros endorses Trump.

http://www.vox.com/2016/4/8/11388844...reek-neo-nazis

White supremacist cult leader August Kreis III endorses Trump during sentencing hearing after he is found guilty of child molestation.

http://www.thestate.com/news/local/c...e43249878.html

Russian Fascist Aleksandr Dugin endorses Trump.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aleksa...mp_endorsement

https://4threvolutionarywar.wordpres...exander-dugin/

http://www.vox.com/2016/3/1/11142048...-trump-endorse

Trump brags about endorsement from convicted murderer and repeatedly accused fraudster Don King.

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/...ng-beat-system

Trump praises Iraqi Dictator Saddam Hussein.

http://mediamatters.org/blog/2016/07...hussein/211359

http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/05/politi...raq-terrorism/

Trump retweets quote from Italian Dictator Benito Mussolini.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-35682844

http://time.com/4240330/donald-trump...ssolini-quote/

http://www.nytimes.com/politics/firs...-to-mussolini/

Trump uses picture of Nazi soldiers in official campaign poster.

https://news.vice.com/article/donald...icenewstwitter

Trump picks famed Neo-Nazi White Supremacist Leader as Delegate.

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/...ate-california

http://littlegreenfootballs.com/arti..._in_California

http://www.nationalmemo.com/trump-pi...r-as-delegate/

Trump's son gives interview with Holocaust denying radio show host who wants to bring back slavery. Trump then gives the radio host press credentials and invites him to events.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Po..._Jr._interview

http://www.politico.com/blogs/2016-g...20120?lo=ap_c1

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/...ite-radio-show

http://www.nationalmemo.com/donald-t...e-supremacist/

Trump tweets anti-Semitic Hillary Clinton picture created by Neo-Nazis.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/02/politi...llary-clinton/

http://www.politicususa.com/2016/07/...neo-nazis.html

https://mic.com/articles/147711/dona...sts#.Z7LCceAS9

http://time.com/4392186/donald-trump...avid-backlash/

https://www.rawstory.com/2016/07/tru...of-david-post/

Legal Experts find dozens of Trump policy propositions that would violate the constitution. “Trump is threat to rule of law.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/04/us...ion-power.html

Trump Retweets message from Pro-Hitler, white genocide conspiracy Twitter account multiple times.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewir...cidetm-retweet

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner...e-twitter-user

http://www.timesofisrael.com/trump-r...-in-jewmerica/

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/poli...icle-1.2506735

Law Scholars agree, in order to enact plans Trump would have to violate First Amendment, Fifth Amendment, Bill of Rights, 14th Amendment, due process, equal protection, and the doctrine of enumerated and limited executive powers.

http://reason.com/blog/2015/11/20/do...ed-the-1st-ame

http://reason.com/blog/2016/03/03/do...e-constitution

The ACLU made a list of all of Trumps unconstitutional propositions. (It’s 28 pages long.)

https://action.aclu.org/sites/defaul...trumpmemos.pdf

Trump's Immigration plan unconstitutional.

http://www.dailywire.com/news/1685/n...nt-ben-shapiro

https://ggulawreview.org/2016/03/30/...onstitutional/

http://rare.us/story/why-trumps-bord...-conservative/

Trump's Muslim plan unconstitutional.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/p...tion/77007942/

https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...288_story.html

http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016...uslims-n476041

http://blogs.wsj.com/law/2015/12/08/...onstitutional/

http://mediamatters.org/research/201...ative-m/207420

Trump pledges to open up Libel Laws on Newspapers in order to curb Freedom of the Press.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...e-could-do-it/

http://www.npr.org/2016/03/26/471846...ely-to-be-kept

http://money.cnn.com/2016/02/26/medi...mp-libel-laws/

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown/...for-reporters/

http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/...bring-lawsuits

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2...irst-amendment

http://thefederalist.com/2016/03/22/...nd-libel-laws/

http://www.sfchronicle.com/opinion/d...nt-6871309.php

Trump fights against separation of Church and State.

http://www.businessinsider.com/donal...ristmas-2016-1

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...freedom-relig/

http://www.politicususa.com/2016/06/...-thats-is.html

Trump promises to violate freedom of religion and freedom of speech to force retail workers to say Merry Christmas again.

http://dailycaller.com/2016/01/18/tr...-stores-video/

http://www.cnsnews.com/blog/michael-...y-it-should-be

Trump argues for the repeal of the 14th Amendment (Which would allow for the creation of a government similar to the totalitarian police state from the novel Starship Troopers in which Americans could only earn their rights through loyalty to the government.)

http://www.cnn.com/2015/08/18/politi...-constitution/

http://www.businessinsider.com/donal...-debate-2015-8

http://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed...906-story.html

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-me...birthright-ci/

Co-Chair of Trump's Presidential campaign calls for black attorney general to be lynched.

http://www.buffalonews.com/city-regi...erica-20160706

http://www.wgrz.com/news/racist-twee...rror/265174441

Top Trump ally threatens GOP delegates who won’t vote for Trump with being executed for treason.

http://www.rawstory.com/2016/07/you-...-gop-delegate/

Senior Trump Campaign staffer calls for police to make black community leader and political opponent “disappear”

http://www.essence.com/2016/07/11/tr...sson-disappear

Trump's right hand man made millions working for Arms Dealers, Dictators and War Criminals and defending them from allegations of torture and genocide.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/article...ers-lobby.html

http://www.alternet.org/election-201...-dictators-and

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...n-past-clients

Trump supporter arrested building pipe bombs to target Muslims.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...t-Muslims.html

http://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local...owTwt_BAYBrand

http://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local...owTwt_BAYBrand

Trump supporting ex-cop calls for, “lone-wolf patriots” to murder blacks at The GOP convention.

http://deadstate.org/ex-cop-posts-vi...op-convention/

Trump supporter yells pro trump slogan before open firing and murdering 6 people.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/n...401-story.html

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nati...icle-1.2587675

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...Kalamazoo.html

Trump refuses to condemn violence committed by his supporters.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-us...-idUSKCN0WM0RJ

http://english.alarabiya.net/en/News...-rallies-.html

http://www.japantoday.com/category/w...at-his-rallies

http://www.nationalmemo.com/trump-re...ntial-rallies/

http://www.vox.com/2016/3/14/11219256/trump-violent

Trump supporters chant at rally for Hillary to be lynched.

https://newrepublic.com/article/134892/will-blood

Trump supporters shout racist/sexist/homophobic chants at rallies.

http://politicalscrapbook.net/2016/0...re-his-tweets/

Trump supporters try and ruin the life of the journalist who reported the above story.

http://imgur.com/a/rpVgP

Trump supporters send sexist/anti-semitic death threats to journalist.

http://www.rawstory.com/2016/04/trum...le-of-melania/

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2...isemitic-abuse

Trump supporter physically attacks minorities at gas station.

http://www.kansas.com/news/local/cri...e65903602.html

http://thinkprogress.org/world/2016/...orters-attack/

Trump files DMCA notices to get micropenis painting taken off the internet. Art galleries refuse to exhibit it after threats of violence from Trump supporters over the depiction.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/nude-trum...152738442.html

Trump supporters send death threats to artist for making aforementioned painting of Trump depicting him with a small penis.

http://observer.com/2016/04/despite-...ing-in-london/

Trump supporters track down previously mentioned artist through home address and brutally assault her.

http://hyperallergic.com/297184/trum...penis-drawing/

http://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/lo...bcnews_twitter

http://heatst.com/politics/artist-wh...-by-supporter/

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...-portrait.html

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/lif...-one-of-his-f/

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nati...icle-1.2623129

Trump encourages his supporters to use violence, again and again and again.

http://mediamatters.org/research/201...-violen/209176

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...ions-be-viole/

http://mashable.com/2016/03/12/trump.../#x0Tauyk_LiqK

http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slate...nd_events.html

http://new.www.huffingtonpost.com/en...b0b25c91815913

http://www.nytimes.com/video/us/1000...-violence.html

http://thinkprogress.org/politics/20...ce-at-rallies/

http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016...allies-n537101

http://www.rawstory.com/2016/03/trum...-you-in-court/

http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-dru...g-violence-now

http://www.mediaite.com/online/trump...ay-legal-fees/

http://gothamist.com/2016/03/13/dona...iolent_sup.php

http://www.vox.com/2016/3/11/11202540/trump-violent

http://www.breitbart.com/video/2016/...e-to-violence/

http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow/w...c-642743363967

http://www.vanityfair.com/news/2016/...rally-violence

http://gokicker.com/2016/03/14/oh-ye...eres-evidence/

http://www.theguardian.com/commentis...porter-assault

http://www.alternet.org/election-201...es-coast-coast

http://www.theroot.com/articles/cult...at_his_events/

http://www.salon.com/2016/04/29/mass...in_california/

When asked for comments on two of his supporters who brutally beat and urinated on homeless man, Trump responds by defending the men as just being “passionate”.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...-hispanic-man/

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/donald-trum...ionate-1516392

https://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/20...9TN/story.html

http://gothamist.com/2015/08/20/trump_ugh_enough.php

http://national.suntimes.com/nationa...on-hate-crime/

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...upporters.html

Trump defends his supporters attacking man with, “He was obnoxious maybe he should have been roughed up.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...in-birmingham/

http://thinkprogress.org/politics/20...ester-beating/

http://www.vox.com/2015/11/22/977833...-rally-violent

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/trump-on-...en-roughed-up/

http://www.businessinsider.com/donal...hed-up-2015-11

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/v...-alabama-video

Trump tells crowd he would love to punch protesters.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...m-in-the-face/

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/pe...-a6890981.html

http://www.nytimes.com/politics/firs...m-in-the-face/

http://www.cnn.com/2016/02/23/politi...a-rally-punch/

Trump may pay legal fees for supporters arrested for assault.

http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-n...313-story.html

Trump supporters shout N-Word while they beat African American man so badly he’s hospitalized for concussion.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/article...ate-crime.html

http://newsone.com/3292133/black-pro...-crime-charge/

http://www.zerocensorship.com/t/unce...#axzz4BdP8m7xM

Mob of Trump supporters brutally attack meditating man for having sign saying, “America is already great.”

http://www.mediaite.com/online/watch...protest-signs/

http://www.rawstory.com/2016/01/watc...dy-great-sign/

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/poli...icle-1.2488491

Trump claims pictures of woman savagely beaten was a Trump supporter assaulted by democrats until image revealed to have been a hoax showing actress Samara Weaving on the set of a Television show.

http://townhall.com/tipsheet/christi...viral-n2174835

Trump supporters call for black man to be lynched and set on fire while shouting, “Sieg Heil!” at Trump rally.

http://www.mediaite.com/online/light...wn-protesters/

http://www.salon.com/2015/12/15/dona...rfker_on_fire/

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer...ump-rally.html

Trump Supporter laughs while attacking peaceful protesters and reporters with pepper spray.

http://uproxx.com/news/trump-support...-pepper-spray/

http://www.redstate.com/leon_h_wolf/...testers-video/

Trump supporters start physical altercations and spits on Latino after being “revved up” during rally.

http://www.salon.com/2015/10/15/dona...turns_violent/

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/poli...icle-1.2398331

Trump supporter who beat and kicked protester charged with assault.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...d-assault.html

Trump supporter pepper sprays a 15-year-old girl point-blank in the face after she was sexually assaulted by another Trump supporter, shouting “****** lover” as she attempted to run away.

http://www.salon.com/2016/03/30/trum...yans_hometown/

Trump supporters attempt to provoke violence telling Jews to, “go back to ****ing Auschwitz” and accosting black woman screaming in her face for her to “go back to Africa.”

http://www.tabletmag.com/scroll/1984...de-trump-rally

http://tmznewsonline.net/donald-trum...ack-to-africa/

http://www.esquire.com/news-politics...ack-to-africa/

http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/...at-black-woman

http://www.timesofisrael.com/trump-s...z-after-rally/

Trump supporter who sucker punched protester, “Next time, we might have to kill them.”

http://www.insideedition.com/headlin...ve-to-kill-him

http://thegrio.com/2016/03/10/black-...rally-assault/

Trump bodyguard throws veteran White House photographer to the ground and chokes him.

http://time.com/4241899/donald-trump...-chris-morris/

http://www.cnn.com/2016/02/29/politi...protest-rally/

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer...ump-rally.html

Trump security refuses to allow black Muslim woman into event despite her having bought a ticket and being a Trump supporter. Yet let white anti-trump protesters into event. When confronted over the racism security guard says, “If I’m told by Trump’s campaign that some people can’t come in they can’t come in.”

http://eoinhiggins.com/here-come-the...rump-campaign/

Trump brags he could murder someone and still not lose support.

http://newsone.com/3340157/donald-tr...t-lose-voters/

Trump holds event in Atlanta with GOP officials. Kicks the only black Republican official out of the event with no explanation.

http://www.rawstory.com/2016/06/blac...o-explanation/

Trump has dozens of black supporters ejected from his rally for no apparent reason.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/...b0871f60ec98ba

Trump jokes about murdering reporters.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/12/21/politi...ing-reporters/

Trump responds to questions about violence committed by his supporters with:

“People come with tremendous passion and love for their country. When they see what’s going on in this country, they have anger that’s unbelievable. They don’t like seeing bad trade deals. They don’t like seeing higher taxes. There’s some anger. There’s also great love for the country. It’s a beautiful thing in many respects.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...paign-rallies/

North Carolina Authorities consider prosecuting Trump over charges of inciting a riot.

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/...-with-inciting

http://www.thedailybeast.com/article...ng-a-riot.html

http://variety.com/2016/biz/news/don...ce-1201729567/

http://theweek.com/speedreads/612640...-inciting-riot

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/n-c-sher...against-trump/

Trump calls for the execution of children.

(The Central Park Five were a group of minority boys aged 13 to 16 accused of attacking and raping a white woman back in 1989.)

After buying ad space in four New York Newspapers calling for the death penalty to be brought back for these black children. Trump was quoted saying about the boys:

“They should be forced to suffer! Criminals must be told that their CIVIL LIBERTIES END WHEN AN ATTACK ON OUR SAFETY BEGINS!“ ― Donald Trump

Years later after DNA evidence proved beyond a reasonable doubt that the boys were innocent and falsely convicted Trump refused to apology for his statements claiming they were still “somehow probably guilty”

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2...-case-new-york

http://www.newyorker.com/news/amy-da...tral-park-five

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/...rc=twsrc%5Etfw

Trump says if alive during World War 2 he “might have” supported the Japanese internment camps.

http://time.com/4140050/donald-trump...se-internment/

Trump considers plan to replace all Muslim TSA agents.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/poli...icle-1.2695675

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/donal...ry?id=40269164

Trump wants to appoint his sister as the next Supreme Court Justice.

http://www.redstate.com/leon_h_wolf/...idea-believes/

Trump says the Chinese government "showed strength" in response to the Tienanmen Square protests in which they massacred between 250 to 3,000 civilians and peaceful protesters.

“The Chinese government almost blew it. Then they were vicious, they were horrible, but they put it down with strength. That shows you the power of strength. Our country is right now perceived as weak.”

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...yboy-interview

Trump calls for the execution of Edward Snowden. "Kill the Traitor"

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...-kill-traitor/

Trump sanctions a foreign power committing espionage on The Secretary of State. (This is called High Treason)

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/28/us...ails.html?_r=0

Public Policy Polling polls Trump supporters and discovers:

60% Support banning Muslims from entering the United States (Unconstitutional)

50% Support the Confederate flag hanging on the capital grounds

30% Support shutting down all mosques in the United States (Unconstitutional)

30% Wish the South won the civil war (Treason)

25% Islam should be illegal in the United States (Unconstitutional and the best example of what a violation of the first amendment would be)

25% Support the policy of Japanese Internment (Unconstitutional)

20% Support banning homosexuals from entering the United States (Unconstitutional)

10% Say Whites are a superior race

^ (11% aren’t sure one way or another)

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/p...e_SC_21616.pdf

http://www.thenewcivilrightsmovement...tering_the_u_s

http://www.lgbtqnation.com/2016/02/g...ering-america/

The Economist polls Trump supporters and discovers:

15% disapprove of slavery being abolished (Unconstitutional and morally wrong)

^ (Another 20% aren’t sure one way or another)

50% support the use of torture on foreign enemy combatants (Violates not only domestic but International Laws)

^ (Another 25% aren’t sure one way or another)

https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.ne...onToplines.pdf

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/25/up...=tw-share&_r=2

http://time.com/4236640/donald-trump-racist-supporters/
Your response?
03-01-2017 , 11:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Namath12
yeah lol it's the lefties who are permamad if we completely ignore the existence of the teahadists and members of Congress who refused to even show the appearance of working with the president on basically anything

Where the **** do these people come from?
Where do you come from?
03-01-2017 , 11:59 AM
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Originally Posted by shpanko
Is it really that easy to get a gun illegally? Like would the average joe know where to go / who to talk to to buy a gun illegally? Cuz I certainly would have no idea. Serious question.
I think it would be vastly harder for a random paranoid mentally ill guy that is about to talk himself into shooting up a school than a career criminal. Ya it may be easy for the cocaine dealer to get a gun on a moment's notice but I doubt the mentally ill dude would even know how to go about reaching the right people.
03-01-2017 , 12:03 PM
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Originally Posted by truefish
Why are you so angry? Were you this angry when it was mentioned that Obama sounded presidential? Did you call him the mother****ing president as well? One thing I notice about the open minded compassionate left, is that they are so angry all the time.
You're missing the point. It's about him sounding presidential being the biggest positive out of a 90 minute speech. What does that say about what he said and didn't say the entire time? I guess I may get it though. The rest of the world is legit laughing at us and we've already lost mad respect, so it might be wise to try and trick some of them into believing our President isn't a total buffoon.

Honestly though it looks and comes across as anger but it's true sadness. I'm sad that most people in this country don't take the time to invest in their own education of the facts so they can actually see clearly through all of this bull****. I'm sad that my nephew who is due to be born in less than two weeks will feel the impact of this election and it's ensuing policies far more than I or any of us ever will. I'm sad that I've learned how hateful, bigoted, tunnel visioned and downright ignorant some of my friends and family are during this entire thing.

So yea **** off!
03-01-2017 , 12:03 PM
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Originally Posted by einbert
A final response to the "Tell me why Trump is a fascist".
https://www.reddit.com/r/EnoughTrump...hy_trump_is_a/


Your response?

My response is you can find just as much about Obama if you look troll on right wing sites. You call those reputable news sources? Of course "think progress" is going to slam conservatives and worship the left. CBS news? You will have a hard time finding anything objective because of the far left media. Hardly reputable.
03-01-2017 , 12:04 PM
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Originally Posted by einbert
A final response to the "Tell me why Trump is a fascist".
https://www.reddit.com/r/EnoughTrump...hy_trump_is_a/


Your response?
I didn't see this one
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Donald Trump is worried about violence by unauthorized immigrants. When he spoke before a joint session of Congress on Tuesday night, he invited three relatives of people that unauthorized immigrants had killed to attend as his guests.

In that speech, he called for the Department of Homeland Security to create an office focused on the victims of immigrant crime. And in a January 25 executive order, he instructed the Homeland Security Secretary to “make public a comprehensive list of criminal actions committed by aliens.”

On its face, this is odd. As far as researchers can tell, unauthorized immigrants commit crimes at a lower rate than the American population at large. A 2007 National Bureau of Economic Research Paper by Wellesley College economist Kristin F. Butcher and Rutgers economist Anne Morrison Piehl found that “immigrants have much lower institutionalization (incarceration) rates than the native born.” (The discrepancy, they noted, could not be explained by the fact that the government deports some immigrant criminals, thus sparing them incarceration in the U.S.). A review of census data between 1980 and 2010 revealed that while non-citizens comprised 7 percent of the U.S. population, they comprised only 5 percent of those in America’s prisons.
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Using crime to incite hatred has a long history in the United States. Khalil Gibran Muhammad, a professor of history, race, and public policy at Harvard’s Kennedy School of Government, notes that for at least a century after the end of slavery, northern newspapers generally identified African Americans accused of committing crimes as “negro” or “colored.” Southern newspapers generally referred to the offender as a “negro criminal” in bold—using the individual’s name and “the negro” interchangeably in the story. White criminals, by contrast, were not identified by race. (This tradition continues at Breitbart, which has a special category for “black crime.”)

Government crime statistics reflected ethnic and racial fears too. In the late 19th and early 20th centuries, notes Muhammad, when native-born Americans were growing alarmed by mass immigration from Southern and Eastern Europe, big city police forces broke down crime statistics by European nationality: Russian, German, Italian, etc. As nativist fears receded following the shutdown of such immigration, the FBI began lumping all European nationalities into the category “foreign born” beginning in 1930. By 1940, the European foreign born were subsumed into “white.”
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In The Nazi Conscience, Duke historian Claudia Koonz notes that the Nazi newspaper Der Sturmer ran a feature called “Letter Box,” which published readers’ accounts of Jewish crimes. When the Nazis took power, the German state began doing something similar. Frustrated by the failure of most Germans to participate in a boycott of Jewish businesses in April 1933, Adolf Hitler’s government began publicizing Jewish crime statistics as a way of stoking anti-Semitism. In Nazi Germany and the Jews: The Years of Persecution, the historian Saul Friedlander notes that, until 1938, Hitler’s Ministry of Justice ordered prosecutors to forward every criminal indictment against a Jew so the ministry’s press office could publicize it.
The only problem I see is directly linking Trump to Nazi Germany. Fascism is different in every country. The KKK was a proto fascist organization and the "Redeemer" governments in the South could be said to be fascist for over 50 years. People are worried that Trump's going to start dressing in fashionable military uniforms or Hugo Boss inspired outfits, but fascism is going to be a much more American thing.

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics...utm_source=twb
03-01-2017 , 12:04 PM
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Originally Posted by truefish
My response is you can find just as much about Obama if you look troll on right wing sites. You call those reputable news sources? Of course "think progress" is going to slam conservatives and worship the left. CBS news? You will have a hard time finding anything objective because of the far left media. Hardly reputable.
You have no good rebuttal, yet you expect us not to call Trump a fascist when there's a list of facts a mile long backing up the fact that he's in fact a fascist. Sounds to me like you need a Safe Space.
03-01-2017 , 12:05 PM
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Originally Posted by DisGunBGud
You're missing the point. It's about him sounding presidential being the biggest positive out of a 90 minute speech. What does that say about what he said and didn't say the entire time? I guess I may get it though. The rest of the world is legit laughing at us and we've already lost mad respect, so it might be wise to try and trick some of them into believing our President isn't a total buffoon.

Honestly though it looks and comes across as anger but it's true sadness. I'm sad that most people in this country don't take the time to invest in their own education of the facts so they can actually see clearly through all of this bull****. I'm sad that my nephew who is due to be born in less than two weeks will feel the impact of this election and it's ensuing policies far more than I or any of us ever will. I'm sad that I've learned how hateful, bigoted, tunnel visioned and downright ignorant some of my friends and family are during this entire election process.

So yea **** off!
Still so angry, The speech was a good speech I thought. I found it pretty distasteful that the left could not even stand and support the president about good common sense substance that most Americans support. The left hates him like the right hated Obama. It's sad.
03-01-2017 , 12:06 PM
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Originally Posted by einbert
You have no good rebuttal, yet you expect us not to call Trump a fascist when there's a list of facts a mile long backing up the fact that he's in fact a fascist. Sounds to me like you need a Safe Space.
I need a safe space? Why is that? You call that "list" reputable and fact?
03-01-2017 , 12:07 PM
It's not very Presidential to lie and demonize immigrants for 90 minutes. It's also not very Presidential to endorse a stupid racist border wall, call for a renewed War on Drugs, or call for a whole new department of propaganda within the government aiming to demonize immigrants so he can push his right-wing fascist agenda.
03-01-2017 , 12:07 PM
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Originally Posted by truefish
Fascist? Facts to back this up?
Einbert,

Does this call for one of your posts about what fascism is or the Karl Rove one about disingenuous debate?

At any rate, truefascist, it's that he's an enemy of personal liberty. It's how you all hate the press. It's how you all fellate the police. It's how you all want to imprison and knock the hell out of as many people as possible. It's in your nationalism. It's how you use phony Chistianity and Patriotism as a test to see who belongs in your tribe. It's in the loyalty oaths. It's in the pathological lying. It's in the disdain for science and intellectuals. It's in the history books and it could not be more obvious.
03-01-2017 , 12:07 PM
What has been is what will be, and what has been done is what will be done, and there is nothing new under the sun.

"In 1936 Senator Berzelius "Buzz" Windrip, a charismatic and power-hungry politician, wins the election as President of the United States, promising to restore the country to prosperity and greatness. Portraying himself as a champion of traditional American values, Windrip easily defeats his opponents, Senator Walt Trowbridge and President Franklin Delano Roosevelt. Though having previously foreshadowed some authoritarian measures in order to reorganize the United States government, Windrip rapidly outlaws dissent, incarcerates political enemies in concentration camps, and trains and arms a paramilitary force called the Minute Men, who terrorize citizens and enforce the policies of Windrip and his "corporatist" regime. One of his first acts as president is to eliminate the influence of the United States Congress, which draws the ire of many citizens as well as the legislators themselves. The Minute Men respond to protests against Windrip's decisions harshly, attacking demonstrators with bayonets. In addition to these actions, Windrip's administration, known as the "Corpo" government, curtails women's and minority rights, and eliminates individual states by subdividing the country into administrative sectors. The government of these sectors is managed by "Corpo" authorities, usually prominent businessmen or Minute Men officers. Those accused of crimes against the government appear before kangaroo courts presided over by "military judges". Despite these dictatorial (and "quasi-draconian") measures, a majority of Americans approve of them, seeing them as necessary but painful steps to restore American power. Others, those less enthusiastic about the prospect of corporatism, reassure themselves that fascism cannot "happen here", hence the novel's title."
03-01-2017 , 12:08 PM
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Originally Posted by truefish
I need a safe space? Why is that? You call that "list" reputable and fact?
Yes I do. You want to disprove it? Present some facts. Just whining that you don't like sources when there are dozens of different sources backing these facts up is not good enough.
03-01-2017 , 12:08 PM
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Originally Posted by truefish
Fascist? Facts to back this up?
Make America Great Again
03-01-2017 , 12:08 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by truefish
My response is you can find just as much about Obama if you look troll on right wing sites. You call those reputable news sources? Of course "think progress" is going to slam conservatives and worship the left. CBS news? You will have a hard time finding anything objective because of the far left media. Hardly reputable.
I would have hacked a few of the more left leaning sources out myself; however, the NY Times, The Independent and CNN are very credible.

Yes, I am aware that Trump thinks that CNN are VERY FAKE NEWS!!!

Additionally, Trump's comments about killing the families of terrorists and torture are very easy to find on Youtube. I don't believe for one second that you haven't seen them so at this point I would have to say that you're being deliberately obtuse and are just trolling for a reaction.
03-01-2017 , 12:09 PM
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Originally Posted by microbet
Einbert,

Does this call for one of your posts about what fascism is or the Karl Rove one about disingenuous debate?

At any rate, truefascist, it's that he's an enemy of personal liberty. It's how you all hate the press. It's how you all fellate the police. It's how you all want to imprison and knock the hell out of as many people as possible. It's in your nationalism. It's how you use phony Chistianity and Patriotism as a test to see who belongs in your tribe. It's in the loyalty oaths. It's in the pathological lying. It's in the disdain for science and intellectuals. It's in the history books and it could not be more obvious.
It's worth noting that Trump fits almost every single criteria of Ur-Fascism laid out by Umberto Eco, who actually lived through fascism in Italy. Eco says a political movement only needs to fit ONE of the criteria to be considered fascist in nature:

http://www.nybooks.com/articles/1995/06/22/ur-fascism/
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1. The first feature of Ur-Fascism is the cult of tradition. Traditionalism is of course much older than fascism. Not only was it typical of counter-revolutionary Catholic thought after the French revolution, but it was born in the late Hellenistic era, as a reaction to classical Greek rationalism. In the Mediterranean basin, people of different religions (most of them indulgently accepted by the Roman Pantheon) started dreaming of a revelation received at the dawn of human history. This revelation, according to the traditionalist mystique, had remained for a long time concealed under the veil of forgotten languages—in Egyptian hieroglyphs, in the Celtic runes, in the scrolls of the little known religions of Asia.

This new culture had to be syncretistic. Syncretism is not only, as the dictionary says, “the combination of different forms of belief or practice”; such a combination must tolerate contradictions. Each of the original messages contains a sliver of wisdom, and whenever they seem to say different or incompatible things it is only because all are alluding, allegorically, to the same primeval truth.

As a consequence, there can be no advancement of learning. Truth has been already spelled out once and for all, and we can only keep interpreting its obscure message.

One has only to look at the syllabus of every fascist movement to find the major traditionalist thinkers. The Nazi gnosis was nourished by traditionalist, syncretistic, occult elements. The most influential theoretical source of the theories of the new Italian right, Julius Evola, merged the Holy Grail with The Protocols of the Elders of Zion, alchemy with the Holy Roman and Germanic Empire. The very fact that the Italian right, in order to show its open-mindedness, recently broadened its syllabus to include works by De Maistre, Guenon, and Gramsci, is a blatant proof of syncretism.

If you browse in the shelves that, in American bookstores, are labeled as New Age, you can find there even Saint Augustine who, as far as I know, was not a fascist. But combining Saint Augustine and Stonehenge—that is a symptom of Ur-Fascism.

2. Traditionalism implies the rejection of modernism. Both Fascists and Nazis worshiped technology, while traditionalist thinkers usually reject it as a negation of traditional spiritual values. However, even though Nazism was proud of its industrial achievements, its praise of modernism was only the surface of an ideology based upon Blood and Earth (Blut und Boden). The rejection of the modern world was disguised as a rebuttal of the capitalistic way of life, but it mainly concerned the rejection of the Spirit of 1789 (and of 1776, of course). The Enlightenment, the Age of Reason, is seen as the beginning of modern depravity. In this sense Ur-Fascism can be defined as irrationalism.

3. Irrationalism also depends on the cult of action for action’s sake. Action being beautiful in itself, it must be taken before, or without, any previous reflection. Thinking is a form of emasculation. Therefore culture is suspect insofar as it is identified with critical attitudes. Distrust of the intellectual world has always been a symptom of Ur-Fascism, from Goering’s alleged statement (“When I hear talk of culture I reach for my gun”) to the frequent use of such expressions as “degenerate intellectuals,” “eggheads,” “effete snobs,” “universities are a nest of reds.” The official Fascist intellectuals were mainly engaged in attacking modern culture and the liberal intelligentsia for having betrayed traditional values.

4. No syncretistic faith can withstand analytical criticism. The critical spirit makes distinctions, and to distinguish is a sign of modernism. In modern culture the scientific community praises disagreement as a way to improve knowledge. For Ur-Fascism, disagreement is treason.

5. Besides, disagreement is a sign of diversity. Ur-Fascism grows up and seeks for consensus by exploiting and exacerbating the natural fear of difference. The first appeal of a fascist or prematurely fascist movement is an appeal against the intruders. Thus Ur-Fascism is racist by definition.

6. Ur-Fascism derives from individual or social frustration. That is why one of the most typical features of the historical fascism was the appeal to a frustrated middle class, a class suffering from an economic crisis or feelings of political humiliation, and frightened by the pressure of lower social groups. In our time, when the old “proletarians” are becoming petty bourgeois (and the lumpen are largely excluded from the political scene), the fascism of tomorrow will find its audience in this new majority.

7. To people who feel deprived of a clear social identity, Ur-Fascism says that their only privilege is the most common one, to be born in the same country. This is the origin of nationalism. Besides, the only ones who can provide an identity to the nation are its enemies. Thus at the root of the Ur-Fascist psychology there is the obsession with a plot, possibly an international one. The followers must feel besieged. The easiest way to solve the plot is the appeal to xenophobia. But the plot must also come from the inside: Jews are usually the best target because they have the advantage of being at the same time inside and outside. In the US, a prominent instance of the plot obsession is to be found in Pat Robertson’s The New World Order, but, as we have recently seen, there are many others.

8. The followers must feel humiliated by the ostentatious wealth and force of their enemies. When I was a boy I was taught to think of Englishmen as the five-meal people. They ate more frequently than the poor but sober Italians. Jews are rich and help each other through a secret web of mutual assistance. However, the followers must be convinced that they can overwhelm the enemies. Thus, by a continuous shifting of rhetorical focus, the enemies are at the same time too strong and too weak. Fascist governments are condemned to lose wars because they are constitutionally incapable of objectively evaluating the force of the enemy.

9. For Ur-Fascism there is no struggle for life but, rather, life is lived for struggle. Thus pacifism is trafficking with the enemy. It is bad because life is permanent warfare. This, however, brings about an Armageddon complex. Since enemies have to be defeated, there must be a final battle, after which the movement will have control of the world. But such a “final solution” implies a further era of peace, a Golden Age, which contradicts the principle of permanent war. No fascist leader has ever succeeded in solving this predicament.

10. Elitism is a typical aspect of any reactionary ideology, insofar as it is fundamentally aristocratic, and aristocratic and militaristic elitism cruelly implies contempt for the weak. Ur-Fascism can only advocate a popular elitism. Every citizen belongs to the best people of the world, the members of the party are the best among the citizens, every citizen can (or ought to) become a member of the party. But there cannot be patricians without plebeians. In fact, the Leader, knowing that his power was not delegated to him democratically but was conquered by force, also knows that his force is based upon the weakness of the masses; they are so weak as to need and deserve a ruler. Since the group is hierarchically organized (according to a military model), every subordinate leader despises his own underlings, and each of them despises his inferiors. This reinforces the sense of mass elitism.

11. In such a perspective everybody is educated to become a hero. In every mythology the hero is an exceptional being, but in Ur-Fascist ideology, heroism is the norm. This cult of heroism is strictly linked with the cult of death. It is not by chance that a motto of the Falangists was Viva la Muerte (in English it should be translated as “Long Live Death!”). In non-fascist societies, the lay public is told that death is unpleasant but must be faced with dignity; believers are told that it is the painful way to reach a supernatural happiness. By contrast, the Ur-Fascist hero craves heroic death, advertised as the best reward for a heroic life. The Ur-Fascist hero is impatient to die. In his impatience, he more frequently sends other people to death.

12. Since both permanent war and heroism are difficult games to play, the Ur-Fascist transfers his will to power to sexual matters. This is the origin of machismo (which implies both disdain for women and intolerance and condemnation of nonstandard sexual habits, from chastity to homosexuality). Since even sex is a difficult game to play, the Ur-Fascist hero tends to play with weapons—doing so becomes an ersatz phallic exercise.

13. Ur-Fascism is based upon a selective populism, a qualitative populism, one might say. In a democracy, the citizens have individual rights, but the citizens in their entirety have a political impact only from a quantitative point of view—one follows the decisions of the majority. For Ur-Fascism, however, individuals as individuals have no rights, and the People is conceived as a quality, a monolithic entity expressing the Common Will. Since no large quantity of human beings can have a common will, the Leader pretends to be their interpreter. Having lost their power of delegation, citizens do not act; they are only called on to play the role of the People. Thus the People is only a theatrical fiction. To have a good instance of qualitative populism we no longer need the Piazza Venezia in Rome or the Nuremberg Stadium. There is in our future a TV or Internet populism, in which the emotional response of a selected group of citizens can be presented and accepted as the Voice of the People.

Because of its qualitative populism Ur-Fascism must be against “rotten” parliamentary governments. One of the first sentences uttered by Mussolini in the Italian parliament was “I could have transformed this deaf and gloomy place into a bivouac for my maniples”—“maniples” being a subdivision of the traditional Roman legion. As a matter of fact, he immediately found better housing for his maniples, but a little later he liquidated the parliament. Wherever a politician casts doubt on the legitimacy of a parliament because it no longer represents the Voice of the People, we can smell Ur-Fascism.

14. Ur-Fascism speaks Newspeak. Newspeak was invented by Orwell, in 1984, as the official language of Ingsoc, English Socialism. But elements of Ur-Fascism are common to different forms of dictatorship. All the Nazi or Fascist schoolbooks made use of an impoverished vocabulary, and an elementary syntax, in order to limit the instruments for complex and critical reasoning. But we must be ready to identify other kinds of Newspeak, even if they take the apparently innocent form of a popular talk show.
03-01-2017 , 12:09 PM
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Originally Posted by kerowo
Aren't gun shows exempt from back ground checks? Denver had a huge gun show a couple of times a year it seemed like.
Gun shows aren't, but any transfer from one private citizen to another(e.g. a used gun) are. And gun shows are a common place where you can make private sales without dealing with craigslist or whatever.

That English guy would be GOBSMACKED to learn just how cheap guns are in America. You can get an AR 15 for $500. You can get a handgun for $200. Brand new from a reputable store, box and warranty and everything.
03-01-2017 , 12:10 PM
Woah, slow pony.

I see einbert already got there.
03-01-2017 , 12:13 PM
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Originally Posted by microbet
Einbert,

Does this call for one of your posts about what fascism is or the Karl Rove one about disingenuous debate?

At any rate, truefascist, it's that he's an enemy of personal liberty. It's how you all hate the press. It's how you all fellate the police. It's how you all want to imprison and knock the hell out of as many people as possible. It's in your nationalism. It's how you use phony Chistianity and Patriotism as a test to see who belongs in your tribe. It's in the loyalty oaths. It's in the pathological lying. It's in the disdain for science and intellectuals. It's in the history books and it could not be more obvious.
The press is overwhelmingly liberal, do you disagree? I don't hate the press and I am an atheist. I respect the police of course. Fellate? Seriously? Who do we as in "us all" imprison as many people as possible? Disdain for science?
03-01-2017 , 12:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Csaba
I would have hacked a few of the more left leaning sources out myself; however, the NY Times, The Independent and CNN are very credible.

Yes, I am aware that Trump thinks that CNN are VERY FAKE NEWS!!!

Additionally, Trump's comments about killing the families of terrorists and torture are very easy to find on Youtube. I don't believe for one second that you haven't seen them so at this point I would have to say that you're being deliberately obtuse and are just trolling for a reaction.

CNN and the NY times are credible? Wow!
03-01-2017 , 12:15 PM
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Originally Posted by truefish
I need a safe space? Why is that? You call that "list" reputable and fact?
Yes. If you don't respect e.g. CBS as reputable, you're going to have a bad time here.
03-01-2017 , 12:15 PM
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Originally Posted by truefish
CNN and the NY times are credible? Wow!
Yes.
03-01-2017 , 12:16 PM
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Originally Posted by truefish
CNN and the NY times are credible? Wow!
We're kind of running out of sources here. CBS, CNN, NYT. The only sources I believe are emails with RE:RE:RE:RE in the title.
03-01-2017 , 12:16 PM
I voted for Obama and I voted for Trump. I am optimistic. Good day fellas.

      
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