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03-01-2017 , 09:54 AM

#14426

bobman0330

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Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson

Yeah, we need to be careful with the "bungled raid" hot take. I get that Trump blaming the generals is ****ing awful, but let's remember that bungled raids are a natural consequence of warfare. Jimmy Carter sent special forces in to free the Iranian hostages and they "bungled it". Hell, George Washington lost battles; a whole bunch of them. The bin Laden raid might have been a bungled raid if the helicopter pilot hadn't managed to pull off a gentle crash landing. The essential difference is not that Carter or Washington led bungled operations, it's that they understood that the buck stops with the Commander in Chief.

Carter and Kennedy and Washington were all rightfully criticized by their opponents for their military mistakes though. Screwing up a military operation is not a uniquely Trumpean failure (although his unique ineptitude likely contributed to it), but the fact that it's not a completely unique out of the norm outrage doesn't mean it's not perfectly appropriate to hit him hard on it.

03-01-2017 , 09:54 AM

#14427

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I'm honestly confused. How can it be a positive thing when people are saying he sounded presidential last night?

He's the mother ****ing president, that's his ****ing job to sound that way. Conservatives bitch about this era we live in where everyone gets a trophy yet everyone wants to stroke Trump for sounding how a president should sound?

Wtf is going on

03-01-2017 , 10:01 AM

#14428

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Originally Posted by Huehuecoyotl

meh, I don't think who the person giving the response really matters. People treat what should be an attempt to reach out to the American people as a kind of who's up and coming test. It's not like most people know exactly who all these people are. But it's got to be a good response first and foremost.

It seems that the speech is hard to do well and the setting is always so starkly different. It might make sense to not throw a star up in that spot.

03-01-2017 , 10:12 AM

#14429

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Originally Posted by DisGunBGud

03-01-2017 , 10:23 AM

#14430

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Donald Trump's attorney general said Tuesday the Justice Department will limit its use of a tactic employed aggressively under President Obama — suing police departments for violating the civil rights of minorities.

"We need, so far as we can, to help police departments get better, not diminish their effectiveness. And I'm afraid we've done some of that," said Attorney General Jeff Sessions.

"So we're going to try to pull back on this," he told a meeting of the nation's state attorneys general in Washington.

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/...-civil-n726826

03-01-2017 , 10:55 AM

#14431

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https://twitter.com/thinkprogress/st...52281513881601

03-01-2017 , 11:01 AM

#14432

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It's a far more scary proposition to have laws that encourage mentally ill people not to seek qualified mental health care for fear of losing their 2A rights or not being able to obtain an FOID card indefinitely.

It's really not that hard to obtain guns illegally.

As a physician who deals with people with mental illness on a daily basis I can tell you that literally 0 people with mental illness in my career have foregone mental health services for fear of losing their 2A rights or worries over being able to get a firearm. And I deal almost exclusively with those that are not seeking mental health services and get picked up by the police / EMS. You're imagining a potential problem which simply doesn't exist.

03-01-2017 , 11:05 AM

#14433

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Originally Posted by DisGunBGud

Yes, right-wingers are completely and totally unprincipled. Wonder no more, it's not just you.

03-01-2017 , 11:07 AM

#14434

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If John McCain doesn't hurry up when he dies his tombstone will read "Talked a Good Game But Didn't Do ****"

03-01-2017 , 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Lestat

I think I missed something here.

If we deny gun rights to people with certain classes of mental illness, it will be ineffectual because "it's really not that hard to obtain guns illegally", but at the same time the supposedly ineffectual regulation would discourage those people from seeking care for their illness?

03-01-2017 , 11:25 AM

#14436

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I'm all for Lestat's argument that we shouldn't try to regulate anything that's already fairly easy to get illegally.

03-01-2017 , 11:26 AM

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Also Lestat please note that gun ownership is one of the biggest risk factors for a patient with depression / mental illness committing suicide. Not that facts matter or anything...

03-01-2017 , 11:27 AM

#14438

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I'm all for Lestat's argument that we shouldn't try to regulate anything that's already fairly easy to get illegally.

Is it really that easy to get a gun illegally? Like would the average joe know where to go / who to talk to to buy a gun illegally? Cuz I certainly would have no idea. Serious question.

03-01-2017 , 11:38 AM

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Is it really that easy to get a gun illegally? Like would the average joe know where to go / who to talk to to buy a gun illegally? Cuz I certainly would have no idea. Serious question.

This gets brought up when it comes to "When you can guns only the criminals have guns". It's true that with enough effort someone could find a gun. Shootings still occur in Britain and the police still find guns even in countries where they are banned, but most criminals aren't that motivated, nor is the average person.

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03-01-2017 , 11:42 AM

#14440

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Originally Posted by shpanko

Is it really that easy to get a gun illegally? Like would the average joe know where to go / who to talk to to buy a gun illegally? Cuz I certainly would have no idea. Serious question.

My only "knowledge" on the topic comes from an episode of It's Always Sunny when Dee and Dennis try to buy a gun, so I have to recuse myself from the topic of how easy it is to illegally obtain a gun.

03-01-2017 , 11:43 AM

#14441

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Originally Posted by otatop

I'm all for Lestat's argument that we shouldn't try to regulate anything that's already fairly easy to get illegally.

Here's hoping they apply this logic to cannabis.

03-01-2017 , 11:46 AM

#14442

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Originally Posted by DisGunBGud

Why are you so angry? Were you this angry when it was mentioned that Obama sounded presidential? Did you call him the mother****ing president as well? One thing I notice about the open minded compassionate left, is that they are so angry all the time.

03-01-2017 , 11:47 AM

#14443

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Yeah I heard that **** about Obama's teleprompter for a good six years

03-01-2017 , 11:48 AM

#14444

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Originally Posted by Huehuecoyotl

This gets brought up when it comes to "When you can guns only the criminals have guns". It's true that with enough effort someone could find a gun. Shooting still occur in Britain and the police still find guns even in countries where they are banned, but most criminals aren't that motivated, nor is the average person.

I live in the UK. Back when I was 9 or 10 there was an armed robbery at my parent's house. It turned out that the criminals had imitation firearms, presumably because they were a couple of idiots that couldn't source real guns. Even if they could get their hands on them it would cost more than the £60 they got away with. I don't doubt for one second that people that are involved in serious organised crime can get their hands on most things that they want. However, most petty criminals that want drug money are going to find it hard.

03-01-2017 , 11:49 AM

#14445

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Originally Posted by truefish

That happens when the far right elects a fascist buffoon.

03-01-2017 , 11:51 AM

#14446

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Aren't gun shows exempt from back ground checks? Denver had a huge gun show a couple of times a year it seemed like.

03-01-2017 , 11:52 AM

#14447

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Originally Posted by microbet

That happens when the far right elects a fascist buffoon.

Fascist? Facts to back this up?

03-01-2017 , 11:53 AM

#14448

kerowo

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Prove he isn't fascist.

03-01-2017 , 11:53 AM

#14449

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Originally Posted by truefish

Fascist? Facts to back this up?

Eyes and ears? Ability to read? Cognitive skills to process information?

03-01-2017 , 11:55 AM

#14450

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yeah lol it's the lefties who are permamad if we completely ignore the existence of the teahadists and members of Congress who refused to even show the appearance of working with the president on basically anything

Where the **** do these people come from?

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