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03-01-2017 , 12:42 AM

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Namath12

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gonna drop Iraq from the travel ban list because the danger ceased during Trump's speech

03-01-2017 , 12:50 AM

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Yeah, what he said is bull****. I disagree about it being a bungled raid, though. And not because they're now saying that there wasn't much intelligence gathered. It's because the plan usually never goes as planned and it can go sideways fast. I'm sure they didn't expect the woman and teenagers to pick up weapons, but I can't be sure. Once a severe gunfight like that begins, it's all about survival. It's sad that the U.S. lost an elite operator, another SEAL got his jaw shot off, and civilians died. They know what they signed up for.

Yeah, we need to be careful with the "bungled raid" hot take. I get that Trump blaming the generals is ****ing awful, but let's remember that bungled raids are a natural consequence of warfare. Jimmy Carter sent special forces in to free the Iranian hostages and they "bungled it". Hell, George Washington lost battles; a whole bunch of them. The bin Laden raid might have been a bungled raid if the helicopter pilot hadn't managed to pull off a gentle crash landing. The essential difference is not that Carter or Washington led bungled operations, it's that they understood that the buck stops with the Commander in Chief.

03-01-2017 , 12:51 AM

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lol Van Jones getting rightly skewered for normalizing this lunatic

03-01-2017 , 12:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson

Well, one might criticize the intention of the mission to land troops in a country we are not at war with and murder the 8 year old daughter of a dead terrorist.

03-01-2017 , 12:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Namath12

lol Van Jones getting rightly skewered for normalizing this lunatic

Dunno what he said and would not be surprised if it's something I wouldn't like because anything other than "**** Trump" is wrong, but w/e, Van Jones rules.

03-01-2017 , 01:01 AM

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Originally Posted by microbet

Dunno what he said and would not be surprised if it's something I wouldn't like because anything other than "**** Trump" is wrong, but w/e, Van Jones rules.

http://www.businessinsider.com/trump...ovation-2017-2

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"He became president of the United States in that moment, period," Jones said on CNN. "That was one of the most extraordinary moments you have ever seen in American politics. Period."

Exploiting the wife of a SEAL whose death he had a hand in (and then blamed on his generals) is "the most extraordinary" moment EVARRRR

gtfo

03-01-2017 , 01:01 AM

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Originally Posted by microbet

Dunno what he said and would not be surprised if it's something I wouldn't like because anything other than "**** Trump" is wrong, but w/e, Van Jones rules.

LOL he said that tonight was the night that Donald Trump became the President of the United States.

03-01-2017 , 01:04 AM

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Well, one might criticize the intention of the mission to land troops in a country we are not at war with and murder the 8 year old daughter of a dead terrorist.

We weren't at war with Pakistan either, and kids getting killed during these raids is part of the cost of war. IIRC there were women and kids living in OBL's house.

03-01-2017 , 01:08 AM

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Whatever.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Van_Jones

Check out everything in the career section before anything to do with CNN. Liberals throw their own under the bus at the drop of a hat. Van Jones is legit and has walked the walk. Give him a break. He's not just some talking head.

03-01-2017 , 01:08 AM

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Was waiting to see if trump was going to mock the ******ed notre dame girl

Would have been amazing.

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03-01-2017 , 01:10 AM

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News media already falling in line it seems.

03-01-2017 , 01:11 AM

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We weren't at war with Pakistan either, and kids getting killed during these raids is part of the cost of war. IIRC there were women and kids living in OBL's house.

That was OSAMA BIN LADEN. If you're going to make an exception, I think that's the one.

03-01-2017 , 01:12 AM

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Check out everything in the Career section before anything to do with CNN. Liberals throw their own under the bus at the drop of a hat. Van Jones is legit and has walked the walk. Give him a break. He's not just some talking head.

Nobody's demanding he be fired from CNN, it's okay to criticize him for getting a little too lovesick for a despicable president.

03-01-2017 , 01:13 AM

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Nobody's demanding he be fired from CNN, it's okay to criticize him for getting a little too lovesick for a despicable president.

That's totally fine. I'm just saying, ok he said something stupid. No one's perfect. But he still rules.

03-01-2017 , 01:14 AM

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Oh I've loved him til now but feel like he ****ed my ex wife tonight

Not end of world stuff but gonna take a while for me to get over

03-01-2017 , 01:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson

I don't think anyone has been pointing fingers at the military for failed raid, Trump not taking responsibility for it and pawning it off on his generals is the problem.

03-01-2017 , 01:17 AM

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Van Jones is easily the best liberal pundit out there. But we're hardest on those we care most about.

03-01-2017 , 01:19 AM

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This speech is why trump isn't hitler. He's making enemies everywhere, and his supporters aren't sustaining the election fervor. Interesting that he tried to buy some influence with the generals with that budget trick, but the logic of using a slain soldier is grotesque. McCain may have actually signaled to the generals that the money would come from congress not the wh. Hopefully that means the chiefs will be resisting trumps worst instincts in the situation room.

03-01-2017 , 01:19 AM

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Whatever.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Van_Jones

Check out everything in the Career section before anything to do with CNN. Liberals throw their own under the bus at the drop of a hat. Van Jones is legit and has walked the walk. Give him a break. He's not just some talking head.

What that speech did was drive a hard wedge between "**** Trump forever" and anybody else. Which is an absolute disaster for the people trying to oppose him.

03-01-2017 , 01:27 AM

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Chris Matthews has Kathy Griffin on for some reason

03-01-2017 , 01:30 AM

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What that speech did was drive a hard wedge between "**** Trump forever" and anybody else. Which is an absolute disaster for the people trying to oppose him.

Not really. Trump just did what every other President did for their public speeches, namely talk about unity and joining together etc etc etc. How did that work out for them? The same issues are still there. He called for a creation of a task force to demonize a set of people for God's sake. We just grade it on a curve because we're used to him being a devisive idiot. In a week he'll be back to saying stupid things on twitter and everyone will be back to thinking he's an idiot.

03-01-2017 , 01:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Huehuecoyotl

Not really. Trump just did what every other President did for their public speeches, namely talk about unity and joining together etc etc etc. How did that work out for them? The same issues are still there. He called for a creation of an agency to demonize a set of people for God's sake. We just grade it on a curve because we're used to him being a decisive idiot. In a week he'll be back to saying stupid things on twitter and everyone will be back to thinking he's an idiot.

But now they also think Van Jones and Katy Tur and anybody who didn't attack the speech with a flamethrower are also idiots. It's going to be a problem.

03-01-2017 , 01:36 AM

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not feelin the hyperbole there bro

there's a difference between killing it with fire and openly praising it

idk **** about Katy Tur but Van can handle it

03-01-2017 , 01:37 AM

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But now they also think Van Jones and Katy Tur and anybody who didn't attack the speech with a flamethrower are also idiots. It's going to be a problem.

Nah, it's just back to normal politics. Obama made great overtures to unity and coming together and being a strong nation. No one was like, "oh sh*t he said we should come together, game over Republicans. Whatever will they do?".

03-01-2017 , 01:45 AM

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Sorry guy, that's literally the only defense to that kind of thing? Not much you can say against a completely fabricated charge of racism/bigotry.

And yeah, you can't really hate Jewish people and have Jewish friends. Sorry bout that for ya.

I've seen that same criticism levied at a white guy with a black wife who was accused of being a racist. "I'm not a racist, I have a black wife" LOL THAT'S LIKE SAYING YOU HAVE BLACK FRIENDS LOLOLOL

Sorry, folks, people who hate another race don't typically have them as friends.

You are malfunctioning if you think racists and anti semites can't have relationships with people belonging to groups they earnestly hate. It is actually quite common as their dissonance allows them to say they are one of the good ones or they just don't like those other ones.

Yes a guy with a black wife can be racist and a person with Jewish friends can be an antisemite. That you think racism and bigotry is rational and well reasoned is super lol.

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