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02-28-2017 , 02:35 PM
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Originally Posted by einbert
That was way back in 1992 and the "conservative movement" was already spewing very white supremacist, very authoritarian propaganda. Read those several paragraphs carefully, you change a few of the phrases (change Communist Party and WWP to Globalists and Black Lives Matter movements) and you can pretty much put that in a Donald Trump newsletter or stump speech today. The conservative movement IS white supremacism.
02-28-2017 , 02:35 PM
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Originally Posted by FlyWf
I think you would've been very surprised at how "anti-police" a Ron Paul administration would've turned out
The Infowars people are adamantly anti police abuse, pro civil liberties but attack Black Lives Matter as a violent fueled threat too. They also didn't pay much attention to the Ferguson and Chicago reports, the most explosive evidence of police/government abuse seen in a long time and instead focused on the subsequent rioting wherever it appeared. Ron Paul has been Alex's favorite guest for years yet somehow that's where they ended up. Huh.

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02-28-2017 , 02:36 PM
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Originally Posted by einbert
Fake news, dollar too stronk
02-28-2017 , 02:37 PM
General Sew,

You have terrible comprehension skills. No one is saying Trump doesn't talk about antisemitism. People are saying it's peculiar any personal attack on Trump, no matter how slight, is addressed almost immediately by Trump on Twitter;yet it can take days/weeks for Trump to address more important issues such as antisemitism.

Here is the quote by Nameth.

Trump gets punked on SNL = immediate response via Twitter

Dozens of Jewish centers get bomb threats = prolonged crickets


You created this strawman defending Trump by talking about CNN or other forms of media which were not being discussed in the original post.

Trump is literally stoking fears and xenophobia by making **** up (such as Sweden) and you are defending him.
02-28-2017 , 02:40 PM
And yes he did once semi-gracefully mention anti-semitism AT THE FREAKING NATIONAL HOLOCAUST MEMORIAL. He has a pattern of saying one thing in front of one group of people, then a completely different thing when he's somewhere else. The guy is a coward. You have to judge him by his actions more so than by his words, and he picked Bannon, Miller, and Flynn for key positions. Bannon and Miller are known anti-semites (Miller follows David Duke on Twitter and Bannon is the editor of Breitbart) and Flynn was a known Islamophobe. It's absolutely a pattern in the Trump administration and in his actions (Muslim Ban) so far.
02-28-2017 , 02:40 PM
02-28-2017 , 02:41 PM
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Originally Posted by RV Life
You have terrible comprehension skills.
nah he knows exactly what he's doing
02-28-2017 , 02:42 PM
trump didn't make up the sweden remark or misspeak or misremember what he saw on fox news the night before. his FSB contacts told him they were going to start trouble in sweden, and trump's alzheimer's dementia confused the timing
02-28-2017 , 02:42 PM
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Originally Posted by .Alex.
Maybe the supporters are the same (they have always been around long before Ron Paul), but the policies would have been very different.

If you can channel all the racists and crazies into getting behind a guy who is pretty staunchly anti-police and anti-military, that sounds like a win in my book.
Ron Paul would probably be significantly better than Trump but the whole RP project failed because of the libertarian apostasies against white supremacy. It's one of the important things to remember in this story here: the Ron Paul movement was fueled in large part by angry paranoid racist idiots who pivoted to Trump quickly; the actual principled small government libertarians were a niche. A sideshow. The crazy racist uncle talk was the real product Ron Paul fans thought they were buying.

I mean my goodness I have no interest in re-ligtating all the way back to 2008 but when those newsletters came out, plenty of us were trying to get the RP types to admit that the newsletters weren't some accident. Principled libertarianism isn't a thing in American politics except at the very far margins. Ron Paul, assuming the newsletters were him cozying up to the paleoconservative wing for political reasons and not a statement of his sincere beliefs -- they existed because principled libertarianism doesn't have an audience. There's no political faction behind it. Pamphleteering about MLK's philandering and basketball riots is where the money are and where the people are.

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/...ublican-party/

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“This isn’t the most artful way to say it, but it’s like, where do you go when the only people who seem to agree with you on taxes hate black people?” Howe laughed ruefully.
Really the Ron Paul movement was essentially a microcosm of the GOP elites writ large; a microcosm of the old-establishment-GOP's problem: what do you do when you run out of customers for your old model products?

Trump marries up demand with supply. There's no market, so to speak, for free-market orthodox tax-cuts and deregulation only type voters. There's no market for principled libertarianism. Church attendance is down even in the south; they couldn't even rely on the old gin-em'-up with the Bible tactics.

The demand is for paranoid racist fantasies. GOP provides that product now.

White supremacy and white resentments are literally the only animating force the whole ideology can unify on. The entire party from hucksters like RP to the old guard elites like McConnel and Ryan are hip to this now. "Channeling all the racists and crazies" into this and that are so 1994. So 2004. Now they are mad and want things, and they've been reinforced for a generation or two that this is their rightful social inheritance. See Ron Paul's newsletters.

So I suppose in the end what I would say is that the whole "bait and switch racist morons" is kind of how we got here. Now we just have a really well oiled machine of marketers whose decades-long experience of ginning up racist agitation have created tens of millions of angry whites with restive energy and revenge on the brain and all you want to tell us is how glorious it could have been if we had just let Ron Paul lead all these racist idiots to dismantle Bretton Woods. I mean maybe but this is what happens when that fails.

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02-28-2017 , 02:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Oroku$aki
We come here to froth about Trump,
But seriously, you guys literally come here to confirm what you already believe with people who essentially believe the exact same thing as you. Fascinating echo chamber you've all got here!


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what are you doing here? Getting off telling people "don't worry, be happy" like you're Bobby McFarrin?
First of all, Bobby McFerrin is awesome.

And someone has to be here to point out the "alternative" facts you guys are working with, almost as bad as Trump is.
02-28-2017 , 02:43 PM
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Originally Posted by RV Life
General Sew,

You have terrible comprehension skills. No one is saying Trump doesn't talk about antisemitism. People are saying it's peculiar any personal attack on Trump, no matter how slight, is addressed almost immediately by Trump on Twitter;yet it can take days/weeks for Trump to address more important issues such as antisemitism.

Here is the quote by Nameth.

Trump gets punked on SNL = immediate response via Twitter

Dozens of Jewish centers get bomb threats = prolonged crickets


You created this strawman defending Trump by talking about CNN or other forms of media which were not being discussed in the original post.

Trump is literally stoking fears and xenophobia by making **** up (such as Sweden) and you are defending him.
There was another post that said "not a word," which was all the opening necessary for Dan and Tsao to come in and stick it to the liberals.
02-28-2017 , 02:44 PM
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Originally Posted by einbert
Trump is absolutely a conservative. Conservatives just like to say that he's not because he's more revealing about it than others with more decorum. But Paul Ryan, Jeff Sessions, Mitch McConnell, they all wanted to implement the authoritarian + white supremacist policy agenda long before Trump came along. He's as conservative as conservative gets.
"Conservative" as in the identity flag? Yes.

"Conservative" as in the political philosophy? No. Trump has proven that has obviously never existed in the first place.
02-28-2017 , 02:46 PM
Conway made up a terrorist attack the "Bowling Green Massacre." Spicer made up a terrorist attack "the incident in Atlanta." Trump made up a terrorist attack "What's happening in Sweden right now is terrible."
02-28-2017 , 02:47 PM
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Originally Posted by MrWookie
There was another post that said "not a word," which was all the opening necessary for Dan and Tsao to come in and stick it to the liberals.
This is true, just as coaster's post was (and remains) true.
02-28-2017 , 02:53 PM
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Originally Posted by RV Life
General Sew,

You have terrible comprehension skills. No one is saying Trump doesn't talk about antisemitism...

You created this strawman defending Trump by talking about CNN or other forms of media which were not being discussed in the original post.
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Originally Posted by Coasterbrad

For the past several weeks Jewish Community Centers have been receiving threats. In the past week two Jewish cemeteries have been extensively vandalized. First it starts with increased swastika graffiti. Then come verbal threats. Then come destruction of sacred property. What's next?

We also have seen two Indian born people murdered by a white terrorist because they were brown.

Not a single word from Trump.
I guess you can argue I have terrible reading comprehension but I'll go ahead and say that the third section of Coaster's post was clearly in reference to the preceding two sections. If that's not how he intended it (and I think it absolutely was), then it's more the writing than my comprehension.
02-28-2017 , 02:53 PM
02-28-2017 , 02:58 PM
02-28-2017 , 02:58 PM
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Originally Posted by MrWookie
There was another post that said "not a word," which was all the opening necessary for Dan and Tsao to come in and stick it to the liberals.
I can take the blame for my poor wording on this one. It should have been "not a meaningful word from Trump" with regards to the antisemitism and "not a word" on white terrorists murdering people.
02-28-2017 , 03:02 PM
I assume the "How To Defeat ISIS In 30 Days" sheep reveal is on for tonight
02-28-2017 , 03:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Coasterbrad
I can take the blame for my poor wording on this one. It should have been "not a meaningful word from Trump" with regards to the antisemitism and "not a word" on white terrorists murdering people.
Nahhh it's not you, it's my reading comprehension. I totally should have gotten all that from reading your post, just intuitively / through context. Ugh I'm so stupid. One of these days I'll be as smart as einbert and label half the country as white supremacist and be baffled that not all non-racists agree with me.
02-28-2017 , 03:08 PM
Trump told reporters TODAY the JCC bomb threats are a false flag op.

LOL GENERAL SEW
02-28-2017 , 03:08 PM
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Originally Posted by MrWookie
There was another post that said "not a word," which was all the opening necessary for Dan and Tsao to come in and stick it to the liberals.
I wonder how long the HastenDan screen name was considered for how it might interplay with the word "semantics". SemanDan doesn't quite have the same ring to it.

Although it does look kind of funny in print.
02-28-2017 , 03:08 PM
i can get so mad reading threads on twitter

just found this little jewel of a guy

says the dozens of threats on jews lately are made by obama and SOROS
02-28-2017 , 03:10 PM
Well of course.
02-28-2017 , 03:15 PM
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Originally Posted by champstark
Trump told reporters TODAY the JCC bomb threats are a false flag op.

LOL GENERAL SEW
Link?

      
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