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The Presidency of Donald J. Trump: No smocking guns. The Presidency of Donald J. Trump: No smocking guns.

02-28-2017 , 12:16 AM
those are FAKE NUMBERS tho
02-28-2017 , 12:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Namath12
American's Great Right Hope, John McCain, wants even MORE than Trump for defense

02-28-2017 , 01:19 AM
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Originally Posted by DeuceKicker
So he's bragging that R congress has a 32 favorability rating vs 31 for Ds in a poll with a 3.19% margin of error?
Wow way to be so critical of Trump's tweets you filthy liberal. /s

Seriously though how many of his supporters would even bother to actually check the poll and come to a conclusion about its reliability, etc.
02-28-2017 , 01:24 AM
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“That is the situation today. It is now necessary to deal with the utmost arbitrariness and incompetence on the other side of the Atlantic. I do not know what is the worst," he said. "What I know, having loved this country forever, is that the United States is no longer quite the United States."
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...-a7601786.html
02-28-2017 , 03:10 AM
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Originally Posted by eurodp
Wow way to be so critical of Trump's tweets you filthy liberal. /s

Seriously though how many of his supporters would even bother to actually check the poll and come to a conclusion about its reliability, etc.
Only trust Rasmussen
02-28-2017 , 06:15 AM
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Originally Posted by einbert
Yes and Americans know damn well that conservatives (white supremacist) are seeking to build a white fascist state. Democrats should continue to point this out constantly but don't be surprised when a lot of "conservatives" don't budge at this news. That's what being a conservative is all abut these days. It has no attachment to fiscal conservatism or even judicial conservativism/constitutionalist philosophy. It's all about fascism and white supremacy, that's the one thread holding the Republican party together these days. They know it. It's kind of weird how they won't admit it to be true, but constantly cheer for white supremacist outcomes like the Muslim ban and mass deportation terror squads. But they HATE to be called racist/fascist/white supremacist. So maybe one thing we can do is just remember to call every one of our Republican friends/neighbors these words every chance we get. Don't let them forget we know who they are, and tell them right to their cowardly faces that we know.
I'm with ya. I would just remind everyone still in the Fog of Trump America that like, the kind of posturing that are tantamount to 'try this one weird media trick to get them to patiently explain to America that the government is chalk full of white nationalists and run by a party built off of ethno resentment and grievance' -- yeah, that won't work.

We can say on the one hand that the GOP isn't holistically popular, and that's true, but let's not also convince ourselves that they don't have tens of millions of supporters. I don't think they're quite like 50% of the population by any stretch; I don't even think they're like 50% of the electorate. But it's a critical mass of people, maybe 30-45%, something like that: people that are basically out of excuses. There are no wake up calls left. This is it. It's what they've chosen. They either deeply desire it or charitably, and it becomes ever more just a charitable interpretation, they maybe tolerate it in exchange for tax cuts or something. But probably lots of people just want America to be dominated by whites and that's important to them.

And globally, not just in the US -- we seem to be deep in a hopefully transitory state of heightened ethno nationalist sentiments. It's not unprecedented for these kinds of feelings to lie dormant and then be stirred. Sometimes they atrophy. Sometimes they metastasize. But I think it's critical to recognize this has been metastasizing for DECADES. Everyone who has talked to an old white relative or been on a chain mail or browsed Facebook or read internet comments or turned on Fox or AM radio or literally just lived, if you've lived with any sort of consciousness for what white people have been saying and communicating amongst themselves for DECADES -- for as long as I've been alive, at least -- this is not new. At all. I think liberals have miscalculated to some extent the political power of these kinds of narratives and assumed the elites had it all under control even when so many in elite circles flattered these kinds of sensibilities if not outright and openly supported them; we really shouldn't have been so confident this moment would never arrive. But I sure hope liberals haven't convinced themselves this is newly emerging or something, and it's going to be bottled back up with a quick lecture from Chuck Todd or something.

So: We got a project on our hands here to disassemble all of this. Not some simple edge tinkering or perfectly threaded needle by the media. Don't sit around waiting for the media to shake everyone up and get everyone to realize the Trump government and the GOP writ large are a bunch of white supremacists or pander to the white supremacist gestalt. We all know. We're not for lack of transparency on that fact. Behave accordingly.

Last edited by DVaut1; 02-28-2017 at 06:22 AM.
02-28-2017 , 08:28 AM
So, 3 of 6 invitees to Trump's spedch are family members of those killed by immagrants. This is really the stupidest version of reality.

Also, https://twitter.com/NickTimiraos/sta...45080215363585

I have a case where a business owner from FL stiffed my recruiter client on 5 employee placements. Guy reminds me of Trump and is trying to lowball us. We'll take the case to trial just to make his life less pleasant.
02-28-2017 , 08:47 AM
02-28-2017 , 09:13 AM
02-28-2017 , 09:18 AM
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“That is the situation today. It is now necessary to deal with the utmost arbitrariness and incompetence on the other side of the Atlantic. I do not know what is the worst," he said. "What I know, having loved this country forever, is that the United States is no longer quite the United States."
Gotta be very very careful with sentiments like this. In many ways Trump is the country the United States has always and forever been--a country based economically on exploitation of the weak and minorities, with an apartheid-like legal status for black Americans and a very messy middle status for brown Americans. See slavery, the civil war, the compromise of 1877, the "Redemption" period, the Gilded Age when women gained the right to vote but most blacks still could not, Jim Crow era-south which was essentially to an apartheid state, and school segregation, police brutality, and mass incarceration of African Americans that continues up to this very day.
02-28-2017 , 10:06 AM
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...protests-leaks

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Donald Trump has accused former president Barack Obama and his “people” of organizing the demonstrations that have roiled city streets, airports and town halls during the first weeks of his presidency.

In an interview with Fox and Friends, which aired on Tuesday morning in the US, the president also suggested Obama and his allies were behind the leaks of classified information from the White House to the press.

There is no evidence that the former president has had any hand in either activity.
I think the question is who is going to be the target of the 2 mins hate? Clinton? Obama? Soros? You know it's coming soon but who to choose?

Outside chance of McCain?

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In response to a question about whether there was a method behind his recent spate of Twitter attacks, Trump reiterated his online criticism of John McCain. The senator had been critical of the Trump administration’s operation in Yemen last month, which resulted in the death of a US Navy Seal.

“I felt badly when a young man dies and John McCain said it was a bad mission … I thought it was inappropriate that he goes to foreign soil and he criticizes our government,” Trump said on Fox, cautioning the Arizona senator to “be careful”.
02-28-2017 , 10:24 AM
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Behind President Trump’s efforts to step up deportations and block travel from seven mostly Muslim countries lies a goal that reaches far beyond any immediate terrorism threat: a desire to reshape American demographics for the long term and keep out people who Trump and senior aides believe will not assimilate.

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President Obama and his aides also sometimes contrasted the relative lack of terrorism in the U.S. experience with the higher level of violence in Europe. But they attributed the difference to America having done a better job than European countries of assimilating foreign-born residents.

Trump and his aides do not accept that. In their eyes, the U.S. has been spared mostly because its Muslim population remains much smaller than that of France, Germany or other European nations. Muslims make up about 7.5% of the French population, but only about 1% in the U.S., according to estimates by the nonpartisan Pew Research Center.

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Inside the West Wing, the two men have pushed an ominous view of refugee and immigration flows, telling other policymakers that if large numbers of Muslims are allowed to enter the U.S., parts of American cities will begin to replicate marginalized immigrant neighborhoods in France, Germany and Belgium that have been home to plotters of terrorist attacks in recent years, according to a White House aide familiar with the discussions.

They point to shifts in immigration in the U.S. over the past century to make their case.

In 1960, 84% of migrants to the U.S. came from Europe or Canada, a bubble that was largely a result of the Immigration Act of 1924, which restricted the migration of Italians and Eastern European Jews and essentially banned the immigration of Arabs and Asians.

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Once the U.S. immigration system was revamped in 1960s to be more open to people from around the world, Europeans declined sharply as a share of those migrating to the U.S. By 2014, the most recent year figures are available, that share had dropped to 13.6%.

Immigrants from Asia made up the largest share with 26.4%.

That’s a trend Trump criticized long before he began linking it to the risk of terrorism.

“I say to myself, why aren't we letting people in from Europe?” he asked during a speech at CPAC four years ago. “Nobody wants to say it — but I have many friends from Europe. They want to come in. People I know. Tremendous people. Hardworking people. They can't come in,” he said, without elaborating.

But his argument ignores other big changes in society, critics note.

“If you were going to say, 'We don't like that equalization we did in 1965, we need to go back,' that is going back to a time when the United States was more overtly racist,” said Tanya Golash-Boza, a sociology professor at UC Merced who studies immigration and race.
http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-n...228-story.html

Cliff notes: Trump thinks we have too many brown and black immigrants and/or people in America

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02-28-2017 , 10:29 AM
02-28-2017 , 10:59 AM
02-28-2017 , 11:04 AM
Dems should boycott Trumps speech tonight en masse.
02-28-2017 , 11:06 AM
Getting out the vote needs to start now with helping people get IDs and checking voter rolls, along with suing and protesting these laws.
02-28-2017 , 11:27 AM
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Originally Posted by microbet
Getting out the vote needs to start now with helping people get IDs and checking voter rolls, along with suing and protesting these laws.
It also starts with ostracizing and demonizing the morons who support these measures. Marginalize them. Deny them any air time and shout them down as the bigoted, evil individuals they are.
02-28-2017 , 11:42 AM
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Originally Posted by einbert
Gotta be very very careful with sentiments like this. In many ways Trump is the country the United States has always and forever been--a country based economically on exploitation of the weak and minorities, with an apartheid-like legal status for black Americans and a very messy middle status for brown Americans. See slavery, the civil war, the compromise of 1877, the "Redemption" period, the Gilded Age when women gained the right to vote but most blacks still could not, Jim Crow era-south which was essentially to an apartheid state, and school segregation, police brutality, and mass incarceration of African Americans that continues up to this very day.
America has never been more honest. Exceptionally stupid. America first.
Big oil, big banks, racism and pollution. Hiring lobbyist instead of politicians.

Go get a TV dinner and cook it up
02-28-2017 , 11:52 AM
This is true. One of the 'nice' things about the status quo is that we've disabused ourselves about the stark and growing differences between the GOP and the rest of the country. One of the bait and switch tactics of the pre-Trump GOP was spending 95% of their time on Trump style grievance and white resentment politics and when you'd call them out for it, they'd make some handwaving allusions to PAUL RYAN SERIOUS BUDGET HAWK as being the real intellectual backbone of the party. Trump laid it bare that the real core of the party is actually angry whites frothing about this and that and even knowing how math and budgets work or really anything at all about governance is simply window dressing.
02-28-2017 , 12:02 PM
No talk of the Totally Not Racist Jeff Sessions abandoning the Justice Department challenge to Texas' blatantly racist voter ID law?
02-28-2017 , 12:07 PM
Is Trump the next Carter?

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At the end of each regime—after it has completed its three-quarter orbit of reconstruction, articulation, and preemption—comes the politics of “disjunction.” Jimmy Carter is the most recent case; before him, there was Herbert Hoover and Franklin Pierce. Disjunctive Presidents are affiliated with a tottering regime. They sense its weaknesses, and in a desperate bid to save the regime try to transform its basic premises and commitments. Unlike reconstructive Presidents, these figures are too indebted to the regime to break with it. But the regime is too dissonant and fragmented to offer the resources these Presidents need to transform it. They find themselves in the most perilous position of all—hated by all, loved by none—and their administrations often occasion a new round of reconstruction. John Adams gives way to Thomas Jefferson, John Quincy Adams to Andrew Jackson, Carter to Reagan.

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AMERICAN HISTORY HAS SEEN six regimes. Some have persisted for decades: Lincoln’s Republican regime lasted from 1860 to 1932 (though scholars still argue over whether the election of 1896 inaugurated a new regime). FDR’s New Deal regime lasted nearly a half-century, from 1932 to 1980. Others, like the Federalist regime of 1789-1800, were short-lived. Jefferson’s Democratic-Republican regime lasted from 1800 to 1828; Jackson’s Democratic regime, from 1828 to 1860.
We are now reaching the end of the fourth decade of the Reagan regime. Whether Trump will prove to be a reconstructive, articulating, or disjunctive President—that is, whether we are nearing the end, entering the middle, or about to double down on the Reagan regime—remains to be seen. Skowronek’s model is not predictive; it sets out possibilities rather than prophesies. Trump may launch a reconstruction or founder in disjunction, and over time the distinction between reconstruction and disjunction can begin to blur. The outcome will depend on Trump, his party, international events, the economy, and his opposition, both inside and outside the Democratic Party.
But there are signs of a possible disjunction, which we would be foolish to ignore. As was true of Carter, the tensions within Trump’s party may prove to be a challenge beyond his talents.
Seems interesting and true in retrospect but it has a problem of being a 'just so' story. It doesn't have any predictive application so people can look back and in hindsight highlight and diminish various events to make it fit the narrative.

https://nplusonemag.com/online-only/...s-trump-makes/
02-28-2017 , 12:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Riverman
No talk of the Totally Not Racist Jeff Sessions abandoning the Justice Department challenge to Texas' blatantly racist voter ID law?
Oh it gets better, he dismissed the Ferguson and Chicago FBI reports on police brutality as being mostly anecdotal and said that cops need to implement 'pro active' policing to deal with an 'unprecedented crime wave'. The next few years will be fun.

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02-28-2017 , 12:11 PM
Trump is more like Nixon than Carter (elected as a reaction to focus on minorities, problems with terrorism/war, inherent corruption, narcissism, etc.).
02-28-2017 , 12:29 PM
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Originally Posted by champstark
It also starts with ostracizing and demonizing the morons who support these measures. Marginalize them. Deny them any air time and shout them down as the bigoted, evil individuals they are.
Well to be fair it started with not voting for the guy that pandered to them for the entire election. Which is what the country did, just unfortunately he still won for some reason.
02-28-2017 , 12:33 PM
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Originally Posted by einbert
Gotta be very very careful with sentiments like this. In many ways Trump is the country the world has always and forever been--a world based economically on exploitation of the weak and minorities, with an apartheid-like legal status for black Americans and a very messy middle status for brown Americans. See slavery, the civil war, the compromise of 1877, the "Redemption" period, the Gilded Age when women gained the right to vote but most blacks still could not, Jim Crow era-south which was essentially to an apartheid state, and school segregation, police brutality, and mass incarceration of African Americans that continues up to this very day.
fyp. Let's not pretend Trump is some kind of major outlier on a global and historical scale. We can't ascertain much about how hunter-gatherer societies operated, but only in the final 100-200 out of the last 10,000 years have notions of democracy, equal rights, and individual freedom really taken hold. It is important to remember that oppression and tribalism is completely par for the course. That's just how humans are.

      
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