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The Presidency of Donald J. Trump: No smocking guns. The Presidency of Donald J. Trump: No smocking guns.

02-26-2017 , 01:52 PM
Stalinism in the White House.
02-26-2017 , 01:53 PM
I don't think McCarthy Spice is a true believer. Going out and spouting complete bull****, then getting yelled at by the cheeto anyway, is a recipe for mental illness.
02-26-2017 , 01:58 PM
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Spicer also warned the group of more problems if news of the phone checks and the meeting about leaks was leaked to the media.

It's not the first time that warnings about leaks have promptly leaked. The State Department's legal office issued a four-page memo warning of the dangers of leaks -- that memo was immediately posted by the Washington Post.
LOL
02-26-2017 , 02:06 PM
lol that is hilarious. stupid ****ing incompetent *******s
02-26-2017 , 02:09 PM
Guys I am a little bit concerned about how nobody is talking about the fact that Trump is obviously going to bomb the White House Correspondents Dinner.
02-26-2017 , 02:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Autocratic
Guys I am a little bit concerned about how nobody is talking about the fact that Trump is obviously going to bomb the White House Correspondents Dinner.
02-26-2017 , 02:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Autocratic
Guys I am a little bit concerned about how nobody is talking about the fact that Trump is obviously going to bomb the White House Correspondents Dinner.


I mean, I enjoy the jokes and all, but the correspondents' dinner has been a national embarrassment for years. Burning it down might be the one good thing that comes from the Trump presidency.
02-26-2017 , 02:39 PM
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Originally Posted by surfinillini
WTF does 12 billion matter in the real of a 3.8 trillion dollar budget.



He's saved the government the equivalent of a pair of shoes.



The administration was supposed to submit their budget already but that's way behind schedule. Well oiled machine foh.

He didn't save the govt. 12B; don't give him credit for that
02-26-2017 , 02:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Nicholasp27
He didn't save the govt. 12B; don't give him credit for that
Yea I'm not. But in terms of proportion even if he did it should never be a talking point.

12 billion out of 3.8 trillion is like a nickel out of $1,000. Nothing to boast about.
02-26-2017 , 02:58 PM
Obama crushed the deficit his entire time in office, it was leaking like the Titanic thanks to W and the housing crisis when he came in, and he just did the steady work of overseeing the recovery and it slowly got better over time. Conservatives got more and more quiet in their abuse towards Obama over the debt/deficit, but of course they never actually gave him credit for reducing it and for some stupid reason Hillary never took the time to sell the public on this point. Big tactical error there, I gotta say.
02-26-2017 , 02:58 PM
I'm never giving my personal phone to my boss under any circumstances.
02-26-2017 , 03:02 PM
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Originally Posted by surfinillini View Post
WTF does 12 billion matter in the real of a 3.8 trillion dollar budget.



He's saved the government the equivalent of a pair of shoes.
It's like poker. There is the possibility of losses, even huge losses, so a small win is much better than it may seem at first. The only thing is Obama is definitely the person who should get credit for these numbers, not Trump.
02-26-2017 , 03:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson


I mean, I enjoy the jokes and all, but the correspondents' dinner has been a national embarrassment for years. Burning it down might be the one good thing that comes from the Trump presidency.
why is it an embarrassment?
02-26-2017 , 03:44 PM
Yeah I don't get it. Bob Dylan had a lyric, "even the president of the United States sometimes must have to stand naked." Maybe it's a stretch but the correspondents dinner or another roast is that metaphorical venue.
02-26-2017 , 04:12 PM
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Originally Posted by einbert
Obama crushed the deficit his entire time in office, it was leaking like the Titanic thanks to W and the housing crisis when he came in, and he just did the steady work of overseeing the recovery and it slowly got better over time. Conservatives got more and more quiet in their abuse towards Obama over the debt/deficit, but of course they never actually gave him credit for reducing it and for some stupid reason Hillary never took the time to sell the public on this point. Big tactical error there, I gotta say.


[ ] crushed deficit

The most charitable interpretation of deficit spending under the Obummer Presidency is it was business as usual excepting the bailout.
02-26-2017 , 04:15 PM
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Originally Posted by thenewsavman


[ ] crushed deficit

The most charitable interpretation of deficit spending under the Obummer Presidency is it was business as usual excepting the bailout.
Are you reading the same graph as I am? He absolutely lowered the deficit, your graph proves it.
02-26-2017 , 04:16 PM
I can't source as I'm driving but CNN reporting that Bill Owen's, father of the dead marine in Yemen, will not. Meet trump and is criticizing him. Fake news obv
02-26-2017 , 04:16 PM
Percentages can be misleading in this case since GDP shrank significantly in 2008-10, for the first time since the 50s. Then of course Obama's stimulus pulled it back into growth.
02-26-2017 , 04:17 PM
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Originally Posted by +rep_lol
obama rescinded the use of private prisons in the federal system during the last portion of his term. jeff sessions has rescinded that memo "in preparation for our future incarceration needs", i think was his exact quote. given what's going on with deportations, spicey's comments about rec/medical marijuana in various states, and daddy's remarks about increasing police presence in urban areas, it's a very safe bet that the DOJ will step up the mass incarceration that's been going on for years already. lol @ "hyperbole", go read the ****ing news sometime bro
The man on the tee-vee said so; it must be true then!
02-26-2017 , 04:20 PM
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Originally Posted by einbert
Are you reading the same graph as I am? He absolutely lowered the deficit, your graph proves it.
It's not my graph, it's the CBO's, and under his administration we started with 'deficit spending the likes of which the country hasn't seen since The War', to 'just normal amounts of lighting cash on fire'.

I don't think it's particularly bad given the situation he inherited/contraction in the economy, but let's not go championing him as some sort of deficit crusader.
02-26-2017 , 04:36 PM
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Originally Posted by bbfg
why is it an embarrassment?
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Originally Posted by sylar
Yeah I don't get it. Bob Dylan had a lyric, "even the president of the United States sometimes must have to stand naked." Maybe it's a stretch but the correspondents dinner or another roast is that metaphorical venue.
The roast is fine in the abstract, especially Colbert's, but the pageantry around it is gross. Supposedly tough journalists in red carpet dresses and tuxs smoozing with the very people they're supposed to be critically covering at an event whose sole purpose is to celebrate that smoozing.

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02-26-2017 , 04:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Huehuecoyotl
The roast is fine in the abstract, especially Colbert's, but the pageantry around it is gross. Supposedly tough journalists in red carpet dresses and tuxs smoozing with the very people they're supposed to be critically covering at an event whose sole purpose is to celebrate that smoozing.
You can be a tough journalist and still have a good professional relationship with the people you are reporting on/investigating. Not sure why you think the combination is problematic.

Fwiw as someone not from the US, footage from the correspondent's dinner under Obama was consumed by a ton of people, is reported on by every news outlet, and everybody liked it. Sad to see it go though obv they wouldn't be as good as they were with Obama.


I agree that in the scheme of things Trump not attending is not a big deal, but it pisses me off because given all the crap Trump is spouting about the media. Guy has to be a big insecure pussy. I guess he thinks he would get destroyed if he attended (which probably is true).
02-26-2017 , 05:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Huehuecoyotl
The roast is fine in the abstract, especially Colbert's, but the pageantry around it is gross. Supposedly tough journalists in red carpet dresses and tuxs smoozing with the very people they're supposed to be critically covering at an event whose sole purpose is to celebrate that smoozing.
Bob Garfield has a good take on this, worth a listen:

When The Watchdogs Wear Tuxedos, Politicians Rest Easy

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CNN hosted New Jersey Governor Chris Christie, Texas Governor Rick Perry, a White House special assistant and a couple of members of Congress. CBS had HUD Secretary Shaun Donovan. The Washington Post had Transportation's Anthony Foxx. NPR had Education Secretary Arne Duncan. Yahoo News had Attorney General Eric Holder. ABC had Homeland Security Secretary Jeh Johnson, whose department routinely ignores press questions about detaining and abusing American citizens at the border and lethal force against unarmed suspects. But Johnson and the others sat there in their tuxedos, offering nothing more to their news organization hosts than the basket of dinner rolls, in no jeopardy whatsoever of journalism breaking out. In the week leading up to the event, I asked Steve Thomma, president of the Correspondents Association, about the propriety of cozying up to the very officials his membership is supposed to be watchdogging.

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This is an administration that has systematically stiffed the press corps for six years. Access is so bad the press usually can't even take photos at photo-ops. Saturday's dinner, putting reporters face to face with Obama for five solid hours, was by far their longest presidential encounter of the year. Yet, of course, not one question about Ukraine, immigration, the Keystone XL Pipeline, the budget, the NSA, the climate, the Mideast peace process or anything else. As for everyday opportunities to see the president, Thomma assured me that objections of the Correspondents Association and its allies have been duly registered at the White House.
02-26-2017 , 06:12 PM
I don't think the WH Press Corps could have successfully schmoozed with Trump and company. Trump crossed the line by saying the media is the enemy of the American people. High profile journalists, especially females, already have to deal with a number of run-of-the-mill wackos. Stalkers are not uncommon. Trump could be putting lives in danger by labeling them the "enemy". What is it that people try to do to their enemies but hurt them?

That said, the entire event is a bit over the top IMO. It paints a picture of the journalists really being full of themselves, and seeing themselves as elite. Indeed, the line between journalism and entertainment, especially on tv has gotten very fuzzy over the last couple of decades. I find it kind of ridiculous that anchors appear on the Today Show baking brownies in the morning and then delivering the day's news in the evening. Sadly, many of the on-air folks place equal or greater importance on their own celebrity than they do on their journalism....their jobs. Which is about the same as we could say for Donald Trump.
02-26-2017 , 06:15 PM
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Originally Posted by DTD
I take it that you're being ironic about the first comment.

It's not even news when the POTUS shows zero class. It's just expected now.
He is right to an extent though. Ellison had no shot and that Perez was Clinton backed.

      
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