it's 2 months away and he foresees relations with the press will be worse by then not better

Hopefully the media isn't stupid enough to whine about the correspondence dinner. Nobody but them cares.

Who am I kidding, that's probably the news right now.

Trump will not be attending the Correspondent's Dinner. He pulled out. With a tweet.

The dinner is technically a scholarship benefit event. I think that's likely to be the focus this year and for the foreseeable future. At least one reporter has already said on air that he's glad Trump isn't coming. Would have been slightly awkward to say the least. Will be interesting to see if anyone from the White House shows up. I'm guessing Trump will tell them not to.

That's the point. As women started working more, LFPR went up a bit, but not all that much. The percentage of the population employed or looking for work is only a few points higher than in the postwar period.

I don't see how LFPR is relevant to the very original point that I was making, ie that people work more now to get the same or less.

Take a family of 4 in 1960 where the husband works and the wife stays at home. Imagine they are the only people in America. The LFPR is 100%. Say he works 45 hours a week. Thus the average worker works 45 hours a week. But the average adult only works 22.5 hours a week.

In 2017 you have both of them working 40 hours a week. LFPR hasn't changed at all. Now people work 40 hours a week if you count people who have jobs and also 40 hours a week if you count all adults.

Thus your claim "people are working fewer hours" is true if you restrict that to people with jobs, but it doesn't address my original assertion that generally Americans are working more and getting less.

No, the LFPR in example 1 is 50%, because 1 of 2 adults is working or seeking work. In example 2 it's 100%.

Maybe learn wtf labor force participation rate is before arguing about it?

EDIT:@microbet

In unchained I wrote that American exceptionalism has caused more problems due to the attitude and citing examples why (the post could have been way longer and included coups in s America etc) and the very intelligent Wil told me to go back to Europe (never been, heard it's nice!)

Keith Olbermann tweeted something like "Smart move. You'll be in prison by then anyway." in response to Trump saying he wasn't attending the dinner. LMAO.

OOPs, nevermind you're right. I was under the wrong impression that it didn't count people who weren't in the labor market. I wish the BLS wasn't down when I looked for the stats. I see LFPR shot up like crazy like '64 to '89.

I got nothing other than to agree that people are working less. Cognitive dissonance is hard you know.

I don't think the data actually backs the narrative you're pushing. Like, it sounds good, and it seems true, that people used to get by with one parent staying at home and now they can't, but in reality the median hours worked per year for americans is something like 1700. Which is like 32.5 hours/week.

Such a beta.

Plus he tweeted congrats to Perez for dnc chair and congrats to republicans because Perez is dnc chair.

He is such a clown. If someone made a movie about a trump presidency 30-50 years ago it would have been considered, universally, the most extreme science fiction imaginable.

Don't need a mandate, just take the yearly increase in GDP, convert it to man hours, subtract from the FLSA work week. You lower the hours worked while not making anyone worse off than they were the year before. In any case making businesses give their workers less hours isn't that hard to do.

They should just invite 30 comedians to roast trump in abstentia.

Apparently trump will be at a RT dinner that night.

Well, there are other factors covered in the Elizabeth Warren talk that was posted before this convo started. Things like increasing costs in necessary expenses like medical and housing and increasing job insecurity.

Why should I care if Trump is making money selling garbage to the sorts of people who would buy an email list from Trump?

Also, if those lists start to be known garbage, their value drops.

lol yeah so with only one choice I went with term limits because it's one thing on the list they haven't really pushed on wanting to do.

As an employer it doesn't seem that easy and as a small business owner I can tell you that if I followed that rule I would often just have to shut down because I can't just hire people for a few hours here and there to keep something going. I guess that's ok, except when I literally can't stop a job without leaving someone with holes in their roof of their power off all night or something.

I'm using "make" as in the net effect. Reducing the work week from 40 hours to 35 means employers are going to have to pay 5 hours more overtime to get the same amount of work. The net effect will be employers will give their employees less hours, there would be an upward shift in employment unless we were at full capacity then there would be a shift in wages. Of course specific employers could still pay overtime if they had to get something done.

The overall effect would be similar to a UBI but with the UBI the pressure would be on low wage workers dropping out because they could live on the UBI. That could cause resentment as people who are working become to resent that there are people who are living off of their UBI. Reducing the workweek increases leisure time but without having some identifiable group dropping out of the workforce.

Hey Micro, I don't know if you know this but people on SSDI often want to work but can't work a lot of hours w/o losing their benefits. Something to keep in mind if you want to hire people that can't work more than 10-15 hours a week.

I'm on SSDI and my biggest problem is employers want me to work 30 hrs a week (but not full time) and I can't w/o losing my benefits.

Can you please tell me what these strings of numbers are that look like links but I can't open for some reason? Sorry, kinda new around here. Using tapatalk if that matters. Thanks.

They are tweets.

It'd be awesome if people embedding tweets would start also copy/pasting the links below it. A few people do that and are, I assume, good people.