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The Presidency of Donald J. Trump: No smocking guns. The Presidency of Donald J. Trump: No smocking guns.

02-24-2017 , 02:58 AM
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Originally Posted by fatkid
Haha TRUMPS EPA guy is a corrupt asshat. Shocking. Also stories of a bunch of staffers shown the door because they can't pass criminal backgrounds. Well-oiled machine all day.
Ahh Scott Pruitt. He is from my state. If you lived here as long as I have, you would know that Oklahoma is ****ed. We have the worst government in the history of all states. He needed to be gone from here, but not this way. He is legitimately corrupt and wants to undo every good thing ever done to protect the environment. Unfortunately, our governor makes him look semi-responsible...
02-24-2017 , 03:05 AM
I've been supplementing my nightly news site and 2 plus 2 reading with Youtube clips of late night talk shows. Seth Meyers, Stephen Colbert, and John Oliver have some great Trump stuff every night. Very much worth the watch to keep my blood from boiling over.
02-24-2017 , 03:11 AM
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Originally Posted by ASAP17
More private prisons! Less immigrants! **** protecting transgender kids! More coal pollution in streams! Medicare SEE YA.
Waiting on that ADA repeal anytime now. (not a typo)
02-24-2017 , 03:15 AM
Meyers, Colbert, Oliver follow the Jon Stewart approach and I think it's great. It's comedy, but you can tell they put real effort to be factually correct comedy (mostly).

Meanwhile Jimmy Fallon is a ****ing lukewarm chode.
02-24-2017 , 03:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Lestat
I would argue that my critical thinking along the lines of both caring about and achieving equality in America is more advanced than any of these triggered outraged crybabies.

I argued a long time ago that calling people names and not making any distinctions among varying degrees of racism, sexism, etc., was not a winning formula and I was 100% correct. It got us Trump. And it's still not going to work and most of you will probably never learn the lesson. Deal in things of importance and that make an actual difference in the quality of lives of those in impoverished neighborhoods. Fight for equal funding in education, businesses, scholarships, etc., instead of focusing on some white collar dude who doesn't understand his privilege and commits a minor faux paus that could may or may not be construed as racist.

And I'd say ditto for Trump. Stop obsessing over his outrageous comments and stupid cries about the media and focus in on the things that matter. Things that could actually get him impeached. Overreaction is precisely why we are living in Trump's American right now.
They did and look what happened. Folks fighting for equal treatment from law enforcement officials. They get called a terrorist organization. Equal funding/opportunity in education and businesses gets framed as undeserved because of affirmative action. Seriously, look around I don't think you really understand what is going on. The white collar dude that committed a 'faux pas' is really apart of the problem. Systemic racism doesn't work the way you think that it works. That black/brown kid that doesn't look like you,talk like you or even act like you might not get that job from the white collar dude because of this. It's the same when we apply it to law enforcement. That black dude driving a 82 Cutlass is going to get more attention from LEO than the white dude driving a 2010 Silverado. Throwing money at the problems aren't going to fix them. What you are really calling for is assimilation. In order for people to assimilate there has to be some feeling of inclusion. So I'd argue making it socially unacceptable to call people '******s' and whatnot goes a helluva longer way towards accomplishing this than trying to convince people who would love to call them '******s' to give them money.

Since we are on a poker site, I'll just ask this question. Why should you not berate fish?
02-24-2017 , 03:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Kirbynator
so many people need to go its almost hard to keep up while reading hours everyday about it

Sessions... chaffetz... bannon... priebus... conway... pruitt... devos...

i guess i dont know the name of everyone by heart so
Don't worry, not a lot of names to know.

Also, Gaylord is a last name.

@wheatrich: R v. D: Better to be feared than loved.
02-24-2017 , 03:40 AM
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Originally Posted by shpanko
Excellent post. Tsao why don't you spend your posting energy fighting against the autocratic actions of the Trump establishment instead of mocking liberals for "not being more freaked out" in the past? These "freaked out liberals" are arguing for the same things as you (purportedly) are on a lot of topics yet you prioritize mocking liberals instead of advocating for your beliefs / identifying how the current administration is not representing those beliefs.
Because then he'd be a good poster.

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Originally Posted by FlyWf
Uh, sort of. The courts will be involved, but not in the way you seem to be implying.

Right now, today, the FBI can go to a Denver yellowpages, look up a dispensary, and then arrest the owner of that dispensary.

That's how we'll know this is coming through, it won't be from NORML filing an injunction or whatever(they have no standing), and the court cases that result from this will be pretty straightforward criminal prosecutions.
After it being state law? Bum rap considering how legitimate it all seems.

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Originally Posted by ScreaminAsian
the trump administration, the people who definitely don't want a terrorist attack to happen, admitted they tried to organize national security to match the brief period just before 9/11
Why are they so incompetent?
02-24-2017 , 03:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Lestat
I would argue that my critical thinking along the lines of both caring about and achieving equality in America is more advanced than any of these triggered outraged crybabies.

I argued a long time ago that calling people names and not making any distinctions among varying degrees of racism, sexism, etc., was not a winning formula and I was 100% correct. It got us Trump. And it's still not going to work and most of you will probably never learn the lesson. Deal in things of importance and that make an actual difference in the quality of lives of those in impoverished neighborhoods. Fight for equal funding in education, businesses, scholarships, etc., instead of focusing on some white collar dude who doesn't understand his privilege and commits a minor faux paus that could may or may not be construed as racist.

And I'd say ditto for Trump. Stop obsessing over his outrageous comments and stupid cries about the media and focus in on the things that matter. Things that could actually get him impeached. Overreaction is precisely why we are living in Trump's American right now.
You must be joking.
02-24-2017 , 04:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson
Two thoughts on this:

1. USA in 2016 isn't Weimar Germany. In terms of the economy, crime, access to education, access to healthcare, things are going really well for America right now. Imagine how well Trump 2.0's message would resonate if things were actually going poorly and urban white guys were desperate for jobs.

2. Trump made some crazy unforced errors. Like, he had historically unique negatives and bragged about sexually assaulting women --heck, many wondered if he was intentionally sabotaging his own campaign! Trump 2.0 might not have these weaknesses. Imagine a Trump who could hide his racism behind dogwhistles.

So, I'm not super optimistic about the future. It's not clear to me that Thiel or some other sociopathic rich celebrity bozo wouldn't be able to craft a superior version of Trump's recipe. I've got nightmares of Ted Cruz staying up late and studying Trump game footage. The only thing that saves us is some kind of huge demographic shift toward a better society. Maybe that comes from liberals being shook and organizing, maybe that comes from oldsters dying off, I just don't know.
Haven't had much time to post in the last few weeks but one danger about this line of thinking is some larger Yuval Harari Sapiens type ideas: namely that fictions are like, THE social capital of the post-modern world. Our fiat money system, our laws, our nationalism, the story we tell ourselves -- they are all fictions. And they are powerful and motivate us to act. bobman recently cited the book Black Earth by Timothy Snyder, which I highly recommend -- about the interplay between the rise of Nazis and these kinds of fictions. He followed up with Bloodlands which builds on the notion and extends it to the Soviet Union: but one oft forgotten element of Weimar/Nazi history is that the German population, particularly the German right, saw themselves on the precipice of a global ecological crisis that would starve them of natural resources and required a Darwinian campaign of expansion and aggression to ensure labensraum for Germans. We scoff at the idea now because it is highly preposterous given the facts about the world, that the carrying capacity of the world's resources have allowed the Germans to prosper well into the 21st century. But consider how powerful that fiction was. Consider how that fiction about the global Jewish conspiracy with designs on sapping Germany of land and industrial capacity, even food -- motivated them to engage in a deadly war of aggression not even 20 years after a holistic disaster of a war had caused immense suffering in Germany. They knew the risks of war and the suffering it portended and willingly moved forward because of how intrinsically frightening and anxious the story made them feel.

And now remember our country is now led by a symbiotic, mutually self-sustaining feedback loop of the Modern American Bloomsbury Group of White Crisis Storytellers -- a right-wing punditry like Fox News and Breitbart whose principle commodity is selling white people fear and anxiety, a President whose main source of information about the world is that brand of serial fiction, who then leads the government and the rest of us into reinforcing those fears if not building the social and cultural political environment that leads to their fruition.

Remember too that there were certainly elements of political crisis throughout Weimar but many of those were precipitated intentionally by Nazis. Or in some cases Communists or others who were enemies of Weimar, of the prevailing small-l liberal order. And then the Wiemar government, made up of actors and people and fraught with all of our frailties -- they weren't able to manage the political crises brought about by in many cases people who sought to destroy the system. That is to say: some of Weimar's problems were essentially not existential or external but entirely caused by people who sought the destruction of the government and upending of the liberal order. Weirmar had crises, sure, but it had domestic enemies. Like your theory in a nutshell is "things are going well right now, we might fade this." But remember Bannon and then by extension Trump et al have a very explicit goal to see to it the prevailing order is destroyed. That is: they have the power to make things not go well. If our hope for the future rests on current prosperity and peace and you are led by people who want to systemically dismantle the status quo, I'm not sure we can comfort ourselves in the realities of the status quo.

So the perception of Weimar as a state in perpetual crisis is one part factual -- no one would argue 1930s Germany was utopia, the fallout from WWI and the Great Depression was real obviously. But some of it was entirely fictional. Perceived crises. And some of it was intentionally wrought -- political mob violence and division intentionally baked into the system by fascists and others.

So of course we are in many ways, empirically -- we are not on the verge of a systemic crisis. But 1933 wasn't exactly Germany's generational low point either. The preceding 15 years from the end of the Great War through the mid 30s were in many ways more traumatic. What spurned he growth of right-wing authoritarianism was as much perception as reality, as much the will and designs and failures of actors as a fait accompli driven by GDP and violent crime rates. And we unfortunately seem to have two of the components in the mix now: reality be damned, we are surrounded by people who are afraid, paranoid, angry, resentful and see the world on the edge of a crisis and cannot be convinced otherwise. And we have plenty of actors at the highest levels of government now who both want to perpetuate that feeling of fear and grievance, and potentially act to erode the system and entertain the risk of a crisis. If not introduce it themselves.

Civilization is inherently frail, so it is perhaps fair enough to say we are always Weimar and in the tumult and mosaic of the human condition forever rests the potential for existential crisis and a lurch to authoritarian solutions. But I do believe you are not factoring in the very real ways we are much closer to crisis than UE6 suggests, if only because so many believe it.

Last edited by DVaut1; 02-24-2017 at 05:04 AM.
02-24-2017 , 07:29 AM
At any rate people who support Trump are as willfully blind and stupid as people who supported Hitler were. It was plain then to anyone who cared to reflect a bit what the man was and what he wanted to do, and the same is true here, even if what he is and what he wants to do are different than what Hitler was and wanted to do.
02-24-2017 , 07:51 AM
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Originally Posted by fatkid
Bannon touches Priebus cock? Wtf bros got cabin fever. I don't blame him Priebus prob got sweet meat.
you fatkid
02-24-2017 , 08:04 AM
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Originally Posted by Kirbynator
so many people need to go its almost hard to keep up while reading hours everyday about it

Sessions... chaffetz... bannon... priebus... conway... pruitt... devos...

i guess i dont know the name of everyone by heart so
That would be a good start.
02-24-2017 , 08:27 AM
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Originally Posted by RV Life
Yea, I'm worried about the future too. Something has to give eventually. You can't have the top .1% gaining more and more wealth while the bottom 90% struggle more and more. You just can't.

The democrats need to figure out a way to show the average republican voter that the problem is the power elite. But for whatever reason, there's a huge barrier and they don't want to hear it. Like, they won't even entertain the idea of discussing the problem. It's the liberals that are clueless, and that's that. If you present them with facts, it's fake news. I don't know how you can break through that barrier.

Sooner or later, there WILL be another terrorist attack. 9/11 was almost 16 years ago. It's just a numbers game; something will happen. And when it does, the GOP leadership is going to scream "We told you so!" and take away even more of our rights.
I wouldn't put it past this group of nutjobs in the administration to facilitate a terror act on US soil to use as the push to take all the rights.
02-24-2017 , 08:41 AM
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Originally Posted by fuluck414
That's not terrifying or anything.
Ban on and the people in control of the Republican Party have gotten where they are by treating this as an actual war. Meanwhile, Democrats are still watching reruns of Westwing to find out how to convince MAGA cretins that our country benefits from immigrants and Muslims. waaf
02-24-2017 , 08:46 AM
I was walking yesterday and there was a group of octogenarians out on the corner with signs shouting about approving Gorsuch. As I walked by one of the guys wearing a Vietnam hat said something to me directly, and I said that I preferred Merrick Garland. He didn't know who Merrick Garland was.
02-24-2017 , 08:48 AM
Here's what happened in Russia when a guy in the opposition's post was deemed insufficiently patriotic

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...sia?CMP=twt_gu
02-24-2017 , 09:02 AM
LOL Herr Trump just attacked the FBI. JFC.





Last edited by RV Life; 02-24-2017 at 09:05 AM. Reason: I like how it took him 5 minutes to write 2nd tweet. Dude probably has a Blackberry.
02-24-2017 , 09:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Minirra
this one's an amazing story worth checking out
its really sad.
02-24-2017 , 09:44 AM
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Originally Posted by eurodp
People don't think of this long term and that they won't be able to protest later on in 4 or 8 years. They just think in the NOW as in if this stops those damn liberals then I'm all for it!
It's more sinister than that. They know they can pass this **** now to prevent the damn liberals from organizing, and then if the liberals ever get back into power, they know they will remove such a law from the books because liberals aren't evil ****ing scum.
02-24-2017 , 09:56 AM
Spicer confirms that he did, in fact, try to get the FBI to knock the story down.

02-24-2017 , 09:59 AM
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Originally Posted by einbert
Spicer confirms that he did, in fact, try to get the FBI to knock the story down.

would be perfect timing for a "You Can't Handle the Truth" leak FBI blow up
02-24-2017 , 10:36 AM
Man if All the Presidents Men came out now people would laugh it off as boring.
02-24-2017 , 10:39 AM
So Trump is asking the FBI to withhold the truth, and Spicer is asking the FBI to release the truth. Is that it?
02-24-2017 , 11:03 AM
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Originally Posted by eurodp
I had a friend send me this and given all the negativity found it funny/positive. It's good to recognize any positive through all the mountains of bull****!

I can’t believe I’m saying this, but it looks like Trump is actually making America great again. Just look at the progress made since the election:

1. Unprecedented levels of ongoing civic engagement.
2. Millions of Americans now know who their state and federal representatives are without having to google.
3. Millions of Americans are exercising more. They’re holding signs and marching every week.
4. Alec Baldwin is great again. Everyone’s forgotten he’s kind of a jerk.
5. The Postal Service is enjoying the influx cash due to stamps purchased by millions of people for letter and postcard campaigns.
6. Likewise, the pharmaceutical industry is enjoying record growth in sales of anti-depressants.
7. Millions of Americans now know how to call their elected officials and know exactly what to say to be effective.
8. Footage of town hall meetings is now entertaining.
9. Tens of millions of people are now correctly spelling words like emoluments, narcissist, fascist, misogynist, holocaust and cognitive dissonance.
10. Everyone knows more about the rise of Hitler than they did last year.
11. Everyone knows more about legislation, branches of power and how checks and balances work.
12. Marginalized groups are experiencing a surge in white allies.
13. White people in record numbers have just learned that racism is not dead. (See #6)
14. White people in record numbers also finally understand that Obamacare IS the Affordable Care Act.
15. Stephen Colbert’s “Late Night” finally gained the elusive #1 spot in late night talk shows, and Seth Meyers is finding his footing as today’s Jon Stewart.
16. “Mike Pence” has donated millions of dollars to Planned Parenthood since Nov. 9th.
17. Trump has succeeded where thousands of history teachers failed – now everybody knows who Frederick Douglass was.
18. Melissa FREAKING McCarthy.
19. Travel ban protesters put $24 million into ACLU coffers in just 48 hours, enabling them to hire 200 more attorneys. Lawyers are now heroes.
20. As people seek veracity in their news sources, respected news outlets are happily reporting a substantial increase in subscriptions, a boon to a struggling industry vital to our democracy.
21. Live streaming court cases and congressional sessions are now as popular as the Kardashians.
22. Massive cleanup of facebook friend lists.
23. People are reading classic literature again. Sales of George Orwell’s “1984” increased by 10,000% after the inauguration. (Yes, that is true. 10,000%. 9th grade Lit teachers all over the country are now rock stars.)
24. More than ever before, Americans are aware that education is important. Like, super important.
25. Now, more than any time in history, everyone believes that anyone can be President. Seriously, anyone.
If Trump was only president until like May or something, this list of positives might be worth it. We still have over 200 weeks left of this bull****. It's been only 5 weeks so far.
02-24-2017 , 11:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Chippa58
So Trump is asking the FBI to withhold the truth, and Spicer is asking the FBI to release the truth. Is that it?
And, unless there's some other FBI story I missed, Trump is once again confirming the **** he's been accused of.

      
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