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02-24-2017 , 01:12 AM
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Rep. Matt Gaetz surprised a roomful of angry protesters Thursday night when he called for President Donald Trump to release his tax returns.
one more on the pile!

(apparently this guy is pure aids bull****ter tho, but saying that out loud is a start I guess)

Last edited by Kirbynator; 02-24-2017 at 01:17 AM.
02-24-2017 , 01:16 AM
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Originally Posted by ChrisV
Yeah, I don't think it is easy to duplicate Trump. I don't pretend to know what it is about him that makes people convinced that he supports their beliefs even though he manifestly doesn't. Maybe it's just the trappings of wealth or whatever, but I tend to think he really is a highly skilled con man. Since nobody here has any clue about the black arts of hucksterism, there's a tendency to be a bit Dunning-Krueger on the subject, just denying that it is hard to do. It's like those people who don't get hip hop at all and are like "Anyone can stand on stage and say words fast!". Yeah, no. Not everyone can be Eminem.

This is not to say either that Trump is some once in a generation protege of hucksterism, but like you said, it's a perfect storm. The idea that you can throw any rich blowhard up there to do the same thing is off the mark imo.
Imo the black arts of hucksterism are very simple. Several years ago I read Influence: The Psychology of Persuasion and thought it was quite good. I read it as part of reading some business and marketing books when I started my business. There are some clear elements in there, but I've seen a LOT of hucksterism first hand working as a subcontractor and seeing a lot of cheesy salespeople in action.

In my defense I've quit working for at least 6 different sales companies because they are dishonest with customers. Just lying with confidence is the standard trick, but patently obvious crap like pretending to call the office and finding out of about mistaken order that just has to be sold right now at a huge discount is ubiquitous and people fall for it.

It's that simple. Anyone who has sold anything in that kind of environment for 6 months, was famous enough to get heard in the first place and could semi-plausibly pretend to be a billionaire could have done what Trump did.

Howard Stern would probably have been Governor of New York if they didn't have a law requiring the disclosure of tax returns.
02-24-2017 , 01:18 AM
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Originally Posted by +rep_lol
it just baffles me how people can hate freedom so much. wtf?

like, i would ALWAYS go to bat for the tea party's right to exist and hold rallies/protests. mother****ing KKK has rallies like once or twice a month at the ****in state capitol downtown like 8 mins down the road from me, and i'm not trying to have them arrested for being racist. i mean wtf
People don't think of this long term and that they won't be able to protest later on in 4 or 8 years. They just think in the NOW as in if this stops those damn liberals then I'm all for it!
02-24-2017 , 01:21 AM
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Originally Posted by revots33
New catchphrase seems to be "repair Obamacare". This will probably be the go-to phrase for scared Republicans facing angry town hall crowds.

The whole thing is so annoying because it is obvious to anyone with a brain what the solution is to universal coverage, covering pre-existing conditions, taking coverage across state lines, covering kids up to 26, etc. It's called single-payer national healthcare. There is little doubt we will end up there eventually, because it's the only real solution. But look at all the suffering being caused in the meantime.
I hope so but I don't share in your enthusiasm given even in the Dem party there are plenty against universal healthcare. IIRC it was Dems that also tried to shutdown single payer in Colorado. When big business is so entrenched in both parties...well...good luck with pushing anything massive like that when it could take away profits from the big players.
02-24-2017 , 01:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Kirbynator
one more on the pile!

(apparently this guy is pure aids bull****ter tho, but saying that out loud is a start I guess)
He's the guy from Florida that wants to get rid of the EPA. He can go **** off.
02-24-2017 , 01:24 AM
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Originally Posted by eurodp
People don't think of this long term and that they won't be able to protest later on in 4 or 8 years. They just think in the NOW as in if this stops those damn liberals then I'm all for it!
Putin seems legitimately popular. I was working at an older Filipino guy's house today. He really likes Duterte. A lot of people, including many Democrats until quite recently, pretty much hate protesters. A lot of people are just quite willing to lose freedoms especially if they are other people's freedoms and many of them will be perfectly happy with Dictator Trump.
02-24-2017 , 01:27 AM
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Originally Posted by aoFrantic
I genuinely think trump is "hitler" in that he is a once every 50-70 years type of fascist figure. The perfect storm that was in place for trump to be elected is very unlikely to be in place for the next rwnj that's rich. Like, Peter Thiel can't be trump. Zuckerberg, Cuban etc aren't corrupt simpletons. You just can't mimic trump like you can't mimic Stalin or hitler. There will eventually be something comparable, but it probably won't be for a very long time.
Two thoughts on this:

1. USA in 2016 isn't Weimar Germany. In terms of the economy, crime, access to education, access to healthcare, things are going really well for America right now. Imagine how well Trump 2.0's message would resonate if things were actually going poorly and urban white guys were desperate for jobs.

2. Trump made some crazy unforced errors. Like, he had historically unique negatives and bragged about sexually assaulting women --heck, many wondered if he was intentionally sabotaging his own campaign! Trump 2.0 might not have these weaknesses. Imagine a Trump who could hide his racism behind dogwhistles.

So, I'm not super optimistic about the future. It's not clear to me that Thiel or some other sociopathic rich celebrity bozo wouldn't be able to craft a superior version of Trump's recipe. I've got nightmares of Ted Cruz staying up late and studying Trump game footage. The only thing that saves us is some kind of huge demographic shift toward a better society. Maybe that comes from liberals being shook and organizing, maybe that comes from oldsters dying off, I just don't know.
02-24-2017 , 01:36 AM
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Originally Posted by +rep_lol
Beck was on full frontal w samantha bee, and while still being a complete douchebag, he managed to basically admit that he peddled a ton of bull**** for years and essentially apologized for helping to create trump. Guy is still a coward tho and hangs on to a lot of his right wing/conservative orthodoxy
I don't understand why some Dems want to prop up people like Beck.

02-24-2017 , 01:37 AM
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Originally Posted by microbet
Putin seems legitimately popular. I was working at an older Filipino guy's house today. He really likes Duterte. A lot of people, including many Democrats until quite recently, pretty much hate protesters. A lot of people are just quite willing to lose freedoms especially if they are other people's freedoms and many of them will be perfectly happy with Dictator Trump.
It's scary how they don't think through what that will actually mean.
02-24-2017 , 01:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Kirbynator
read a few articles comments on Breitbart, and the brainwashed Trumpers are back to attacking the GOP hard.

Seems like a good sign that theres so much infighting on the right.

I really wonder what made them tick so much to think Trump somehow cannot be a liar and crooked like the rest of the GOP? Like suddenly this guy is immune to criticism and will do everything right, unlike everyone before him in politics. Go figure.

I guess they're just that desperate to believe. SAD!
One resident trumpkin on my social media has already taken to posting insane fake news and memes attacking McCain. Hell Hannity ran a fake news story about McCain the other night and had to apologize. They are ready to devour any of their own who get out of line. Hopefully the McCain Graham townhall next week gives them some more fuel for infighting.
02-24-2017 , 01:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson
Two thoughts on this:

1. USA in 2016 isn't Weimar Germany. In terms of the economy, crime, access to education, access to healthcare, things are going really well for America right now. Imagine how well Trump 2.0's message would resonate if things were actually going poorly and urban white guys were desperate for jobs.

2. Trump made some crazy unforced errors. Like, he had historically unique negatives and bragged about sexually assaulting women --heck, many wondered if he was intentionally sabotaging his own campaign! Trump 2.0 might not have these weaknesses. Imagine a Trump who could hide his racism behind dogwhistles.

So, I'm not super optimistic about the future. It's not clear to me that Thiel or some other sociopathic rich celebrity bozo wouldn't be able to craft a superior version of Trump's recipe. I've got nightmares of Ted Cruz staying up late and studying Trump game footage. The only thing that saves us is some kind of huge demographic shift toward a better society. Maybe that comes from liberals being shook and organizing, maybe that comes from oldsters dying off, I just don't know.
Yea, I'm worried about the future too. Something has to give eventually. You can't have the top .1% gaining more and more wealth while the bottom 90% struggle more and more. You just can't.

The democrats need to figure out a way to show the average republican voter that the problem is the power elite. But for whatever reason, there's a huge barrier and they don't want to hear it. Like, they won't even entertain the idea of discussing the problem. It's the liberals that are clueless, and that's that. If you present them with facts, it's fake news. I don't know how you can break through that barrier.

Sooner or later, there WILL be another terrorist attack. 9/11 was almost 16 years ago. It's just a numbers game; something will happen. And when it does, the GOP leadership is going to scream "We told you so!" and take away even more of our rights.
02-24-2017 , 01:43 AM
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Originally Posted by eurodp
It's scary how they don't think through what that will actually mean.
Most have no idea what it's like to live under a dictator here or realize why we fought against that in the history books. There's always a human flaw to think "it can't get any worse" or "he'd never do that" or "that can't happen here". Many probably think it's utopia. They are wrong and hopefully we all don't find that out the hard way.

Our world status is already taking hits and it's only been a month. People hate globalism so much they're willing to kill off america being the world's top country. Brilliant strategy.

Yes, balance is ideal but if you go one vs the other straight up globalism seems to be better to me--the best security we can have is being admired across the world.

Last edited by wheatrich; 02-24-2017 at 01:55 AM.
02-24-2017 , 01:50 AM
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Originally Posted by eurodp
I don't understand why some Dems want to prop up people like Beck.
Yes, thank you. Now when the Supreme Court has to rule on whether the President can legally deport all Muslim American citizens, we can be sure that the case is judged fairly.
02-24-2017 , 01:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson
Two thoughts on this:

1. USA in 2016 isn't Weimar Germany. In terms of the economy, crime, access to education, access to healthcare, things are going really well for America right now. Imagine how well Trump 2.0's message would resonate if things were actually going poorly and urban white guys were desperate for jobs.

2. Trump made some crazy unforced errors. Like, he had historically unique negatives and bragged about sexually assaulting women --heck, many wondered if he was intentionally sabotaging his own campaign! Trump 2.0 might not have these weaknesses. Imagine a Trump who could hide his racism behind dogwhistles.

So, I'm not super optimistic about the future. It's not clear to me that Thiel or some other sociopathic rich celebrity bozo wouldn't be able to craft a superior version of Trump's recipe. I've got nightmares of Ted Cruz staying up late and studying Trump game footage. The only thing that saves us is some kind of huge demographic shift toward a better society. Maybe that comes from liberals being shook and organizing, maybe that comes from oldsters dying off, I just don't know.
Right after the election I had posted something on FB talking about how much worse this could get due to future job loss with regards to more and more automation. WH had a report some months ago saying between like 10-50% of all jobs in the next decades could be lost to automation. If the .1% isn't willing to create a system that shares in the wealth created by automation so that people who lose jobs can do something, anything, with their lives then I don't want to imagine the political turmoil. The people that are already blaming immigrants and minorities for their economic issues will only increase and their failure to put the blame for these economic conditions on the proper source could be disastrous.
02-24-2017 , 01:57 AM
https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...=.bfc3cb0ff29e
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A group of law professors from around the country has filed a professional misconduct complaint against White House counselor Kellyanne Conway, a graduate of George Washington University Law School who was admitted to the D.C. Bar in 1995.

The letter, filed with the office that handles misconduct by members of the D.C. Bar, said Conway should be sanctioned for violating government ethics rules and “conduct involving dishonesty, fraud, deceit or misrepresentation,” the letter says.

The 15 professors, who specialize in legal ethics, cite several incidents, including a television interview in which Conway made the “false statement that President Barack Obama had ‘banned’ Iraqi refugees from coming into the United States for six months following the ‘Bowling Green Massacre,’ ” and the use of her position to endorse Ivanka Trump products.

“We do not file this complaint lightly,” the professors said in their filing. “We believe that, at one time, Ms. Conway, understood her ethical responsibilities as a lawyer and abided by them. But she is currently acting in a way that brings shame upon the legal profession.”

The professors teach at law schools such as Georgetown University Law Center, Yale Law School, Fordham University and Duke University.
02-24-2017 , 02:00 AM
"brings shame upon the legal profession" that's incredible
02-24-2017 , 02:11 AM
I had a friend send me this and given all the negativity found it funny/positive. It's good to recognize any positive through all the mountains of bull****!

I can’t believe I’m saying this, but it looks like Trump is actually making America great again. Just look at the progress made since the election:

1. Unprecedented levels of ongoing civic engagement.
2. Millions of Americans now know who their state and federal representatives are without having to google.
3. Millions of Americans are exercising more. They’re holding signs and marching every week.
4. Alec Baldwin is great again. Everyone’s forgotten he’s kind of a jerk.
5. The Postal Service is enjoying the influx cash due to stamps purchased by millions of people for letter and postcard campaigns.
6. Likewise, the pharmaceutical industry is enjoying record growth in sales of anti-depressants.
7. Millions of Americans now know how to call their elected officials and know exactly what to say to be effective.
8. Footage of town hall meetings is now entertaining.
9. Tens of millions of people are now correctly spelling words like emoluments, narcissist, fascist, misogynist, holocaust and cognitive dissonance.
10. Everyone knows more about the rise of Hitler than they did last year.
11. Everyone knows more about legislation, branches of power and how checks and balances work.
12. Marginalized groups are experiencing a surge in white allies.
13. White people in record numbers have just learned that racism is not dead. (See #6)
14. White people in record numbers also finally understand that Obamacare IS the Affordable Care Act.
15. Stephen Colbert’s “Late Night” finally gained the elusive #1 spot in late night talk shows, and Seth Meyers is finding his footing as today’s Jon Stewart.
16. “Mike Pence” has donated millions of dollars to Planned Parenthood since Nov. 9th.
17. Trump has succeeded where thousands of history teachers failed – now everybody knows who Frederick Douglass was.
18. Melissa FREAKING McCarthy.
19. Travel ban protesters put $24 million into ACLU coffers in just 48 hours, enabling them to hire 200 more attorneys. Lawyers are now heroes.
20. As people seek veracity in their news sources, respected news outlets are happily reporting a substantial increase in subscriptions, a boon to a struggling industry vital to our democracy.
21. Live streaming court cases and congressional sessions are now as popular as the Kardashians.
22. Massive cleanup of facebook friend lists.
23. People are reading classic literature again. Sales of George Orwell’s “1984” increased by 10,000% after the inauguration. (Yes, that is true. 10,000%. 9th grade Lit teachers all over the country are now rock stars.)
24. More than ever before, Americans are aware that education is important. Like, super important.
25. Now, more than any time in history, everyone believes that anyone can be President. Seriously, anyone.
02-24-2017 , 02:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Autocratic
It's ****ing baffling that in 2017 you can be a person of any intelligence and basically think that nothing is racist unless it's completely explicit. Like, ANY amount of concealment by racists will successfully throw you off the trail. Some dude is like "I ****ing hate black people. Except Steve Harvey." And you're like "well that's not racist, it doesn't apply to all black people! I wonder what his reason is for hating the rest of them is?!?" You're just stumped!
I would argue that my critical thinking along the lines of both caring about and achieving equality in America is more advanced than any of these triggered outraged crybabies.

I argued a long time ago that calling people names and not making any distinctions among varying degrees of racism, sexism, etc., was not a winning formula and I was 100% correct. It got us Trump. And it's still not going to work and most of you will probably never learn the lesson. Deal in things of importance and that make an actual difference in the quality of lives of those in impoverished neighborhoods. Fight for equal funding in education, businesses, scholarships, etc., instead of focusing on some white collar dude who doesn't understand his privilege and commits a minor faux paus that could may or may not be construed as racist.

And I'd say ditto for Trump. Stop obsessing over his outrageous comments and stupid cries about the media and focus in on the things that matter. Things that could actually get him impeached. Overreaction is precisely why we are living in Trump's American right now.
02-24-2017 , 02:29 AM
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Originally Posted by eurodp
People don't think of this long term and that they won't be able to protest later on in 4 or 8 years. They just think in the NOW as in if this stops those damn liberals then I'm all for it!
well you best believe if SC passes a similar law, i'm gonna go break the **** out of a window or some various property the next time the KKK is rallying downtown, and maybe i'll get some of them arrested
02-24-2017 , 02:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Kirbynator
read a few articles comments on Breitbart, and the brainwashed Trumpers are back to attacking the GOP hard.

Seems like a good sign that theres so much infighting on the right.

I really wonder what made them tick so much to think Trump somehow cannot be a liar and crooked like the rest of the GOP? Like suddenly this guy is immune to criticism and will do everything right, unlike everyone before him in politics. Go figure.

I guess they're just that desperate to believe. SAD!
Lots of trump supporters are in denial that trump is facilitating the GOP. Trump is a lump of clay easily remolded by anyone who has access.

It seems the Christian Right has started their move to take control of things at this point. Trump is not smart enough to marginslize him and they are more deceptive and aggressive than his staff.
02-24-2017 , 02:43 AM
I guess the silver lining is that if the **** ever does go fully down, I'll still be white and educated and can maybe blend in with the new regime. Then when the GOP flips on their gun stance I'll just stay quiet.

But I can have secret resistance meetings in the basement and chain smoke while planning night attacks. Ha ha fu Gestapo boom
02-24-2017 , 02:49 AM
The first lady traditionally chooses a cause she champions. How long into a president's term does this usually happen?
02-24-2017 , 02:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Louis Cyphre
The first lady traditionally chooses a cause she champions. How long into a president's term does this usually happen?
sometime after actually moving into the white house
02-24-2017 , 02:54 AM
Wasn't her thing bullying for like 5 minutes
02-24-2017 , 02:58 AM
Something I've wondered about, there are always various stories about all politicians from both parties leaking from insiders, what's the incentive for folks to leak information? This isn't unique to the trump administration is it?

      
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