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02-23-2017 , 04:22 AM
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Originally Posted by dopebeats
Here is why that math/assumptions is trash. It's based on the fact that voters voted FOR Trump. I'd estimate that a majority simply voted against Hillary. Also this fails to account for lower than expected turnout of would-be Hillary voters. That is why Trump won. Even Trump has acknowledged this multiple times. Minority (mostly black) voters did not turn out at expected levels. This is mostly due to voter suppression on both the state level and targeted voter suppression through Trump's analytics firm, Cambridge Analytica. Also, Hillary's GOTV effort was poor at best. I think fivethirtyeight showed Hillary got about 98% of her expected turnout while Trump got around 108% of his.
Yeah you can attack it on the substance because it seriously mis-evaluates any number of premises, but come on, it's a "proof" where step 2 is just making up a number.
02-23-2017 , 04:44 AM
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Originally Posted by David Sklansky
Completely off the subject, but isn't it interesting that for fifty years as much as people were uncomfortable with black men voting, they would rather he vote than a white woman? Surprised that fact isn't discussed more often.
The two suffrage movements were deeply intertwined throughout that period. Even John Brown espoused women's rights (although apparently he was patriarchal at home). Suffrage for women was a more radical challenge to the social order than suffrage to black men. It had a lot to do with the social unrest that caused the first two world wars. The Christian churches pushed back against it hard, just as the Islamic churches do now, and the remnant of the feudal aristocratic order pushed back against any amplification of personal freedoms. One of the very threatening aspects of the communist movement was its advocacy of full rights for women.
02-23-2017 , 04:47 AM
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Originally Posted by surfinillini
I just went down the Steve Bannon rabbit hole.

Jesus Christ that dude scares the **** out of me.

I can't tell if he's a true believer or just using the "alt-right" to push his fringe ideology. He seems completely calculated and may have just tapped in to a disenfranchised sub-group to further his cause.

He basically is advocating a Christian vs. Muslim crusade. Not a war of ideas, but actual war. I can't believe this is the guy whispering in the ear of the man who has his hand on the button.

Let's see what else: he said he's using Trump as "blunt force" for his ideology, we are at the "fourth turning" wherein we need a Great War to press reset, and oh yea my favorite he's a self identified Leninist.

Time to buy more ammo. Or maybe move to Canada lolz.

Can someone talk me out of thinking about doomsday scenarios for the rest of the week...
7 better worlds could be a mere 40 light-years away. On at least one of these planets, Donald Trump is not president
02-23-2017 , 07:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Lestat
I don't follow McCain. I'm also not saying there weren't people who joined the birther movement for racist reasons. My question is what specifically was it about the birther movement that made it racist and not just say and do any stupid thing they could think of to discredit a president they disagreed with on every front?
No offense, but that's a really stupid ****ing question.
02-23-2017 , 09:37 AM
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Originally Posted by David Sklansky
Completely off the subject, but isn't it interesting that for fifty years as much as people were uncomfortable with black men voting, they would rather he vote than a white woman? Surprised that fact isn't discussed more often.
We know the fact of historical timeline, but is it generally accepted fact that there was a preference like this? Citation?
02-23-2017 , 09:44 AM
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Originally Posted by FlyWf
Yeah you can attack it on the substance because it seriously mis-evaluates any number of premises, but come on, it's a "proof" where step 2 is just making up a number.
The power of "almost mathematical proof"! In my response, I "almost" mathematically proved 3 = 4.
02-23-2017 , 09:47 AM
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Originally Posted by DeuceKicker
General Tsao bringing a dictionary to an encyclopedia fight
quality; deserves love
02-23-2017 , 09:48 AM
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Claiming people are being paid to riot, Republican state senators voted Wednesday to give police new power to arrest anyone who is involved in a peaceful demonstration that may turn bad — even before anything actually happened.

SB1142 expands the state’s racketeering laws, now aimed at organized crime, to also include rioting. And it redefines what constitutes rioting to include actions that result in damage to the property of others.

But the real heart of the legislation is what Democrats say is the guilt by association — and giving the government the right to criminally prosecute and seize the assets of everyone who planned a protest and everyone who participated. And what’s worse, said Sen. Steve Farley, D-Tucson, is that the person who may have broken a window, triggering the claim there was a riot, might actually not be a member of the group but someone from the other side.
http://azcapitoltimes.com/news/2017/...n-on-protests/
02-23-2017 , 09:49 AM
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Originally Posted by uDevil
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Lawyers for US First Lady Melania Trump have re-filed a defamation case against UK newspaper Daily Mail.

The new complaint drops wording that said Mrs Trump missed a "once-in-a-lifetime opportunity" to profit from her brand, due to a Daily Mail article.
Because wording matters.
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After criticism, her lawyer, Charles Harder, denied to US media that Mrs Trump had plans to profit from her high-profile status as first lady.

"It is not a possibility. Any statements to the contrary are being misinterpreted," a statement saidBecause wording matters.
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http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-39060243
There's also some speculation that they worried about risking exposure of Trump's tax records.
02-23-2017 , 10:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Huehuecoyotl
Wow.

That makes me ****ing sick.

Move over Florida and Mississippi, here comes Arizona.
02-23-2017 , 10:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Huehuecoyotl
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Claiming people are being paid to riot, Republican state senators voted Wednesday to give police new power to arrest anyone who is involved in a peaceful demonstration that may turn bad — even before anything actually happened.

SB1142 expands the state’s racketeering laws, now aimed at organized crime, to also include rioting. And it redefines what constitutes rioting to include actions that result in damage to the property of others.

But the real heart of the legislation is what Democrats say is the guilt by association — and giving the government the right to criminally prosecute and seize the assets of everyone who planned a protest and everyone who participated. And what’s worse, said Sen. Steve Farley, D-Tucson, is that the person who may have broken a window, triggering the claim there was a riot, might actually not be a member of the group but someone from the other side.
http://azcapitoltimes.com/news/2017/...n-on-protests/
Precogs ldo
02-23-2017 , 10:23 AM
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Originally Posted by RV Life
ICE is becoming a real life Milgram experiment in front of our eyes.

http://thehill.com/latino/320755-law...-from-hospital
How lonG before Trump/Bannon set their sights on small business owners who employ immigrants and people that provide housing for them?
02-23-2017 , 10:26 AM
i mean that AZ legislation seems like it would be unconstitutional as ****, and most likely overturned in courts if it was actually passed and signed by the governor, but jesus christ. trying to stamp out peaceful protest is just as scary and just as much a threat to the republic as calling the press the enemy. i just cant believe that republicans are on board with this ****. like, i can believe it, but i can't. these people are just awful
02-23-2017 , 10:31 AM
it just baffles me how people can hate freedom so much. wtf?

like, i would ALWAYS go to bat for the tea party's right to exist and hold rallies/protests. mother****ing KKK has rallies like once or twice a month at the ****in state capitol downtown like 8 mins down the road from me, and i'm not trying to have them arrested for being racist. i mean wtf
02-23-2017 , 10:38 AM
But the Republican party is the party of freedom...right?
02-23-2017 , 10:46 AM
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Originally Posted by +rep_lol
i mean that AZ legislation seems like it would be unconstitutional as ****, and most likely overturned in courts if it was actually passed and signed by the governor, but jesus christ. trying to stamp out peaceful protest is just as scary and just as much a threat to the republic as calling the press the enemy. i just cant believe that republicans are on board with this ****. like, i can believe it, but i can't. these people are just awful
I mean, is this really that much of a departure at this point? These people have been feed the idea that the media is evil and lying to them to sell a liberal conspiracy for 20+ years. Even their most legitimate source, Fox News, works on this concept and a lot of lies and badly sourced stories constantly. They aren't being taught the proper value of civics and a free press, and they probably never quite got that in school either. It's kind of a tough abstract concept to teach and to pick up on. But you've got people like Alex Jones, Hannity, Rush Limbaugh, and Donald Trump using their huge media platforms to denounce and de-legitimize the mainstream press constantly, it's really just surprising that it took this long for some state legislatures to turn openly anti-first amendment.

I wonder where the extreme free speech advocates like the Milo fans will fall on this one.
02-23-2017 , 10:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Huehuecoyotl
Sen. Sylvia Allen, R-Snowflake, said the new criminal laws are necessary.
“I have been heartsick with what’s been going on in our country, what young people are being encouraged to do,’’ she said.
02-23-2017 , 10:50 AM
R's are terrified of democracy
02-23-2017 , 10:53 AM
Not to mention that the concept of one-person one-vote is something they are dead-set against at any and all costs. We need to abolish the Electoral College, abolish gerrymandering, and have real proportional representation in all three branches in this country. But nothing will get more pushback from a Republican. We're finding out that the U.S. is only a "democracy" insofar as our customs and traditions and checks and balances work to make it so.
02-23-2017 , 10:58 AM
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Originally Posted by RV Life
ICE is becoming a real life Milgram experiment in front of our eyes.

http://thehill.com/latino/320755-law...-from-hospital
The comments, as usual, have some horrible content, but it's more than just the usual racism and trolling.

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Perhaps if Washington was truly interested in unity they would keep these textual weapons from us.
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This story was a WEAPONIZED TEXT to attempt to shame and guilt Americans for wishing their country not be overrun with illegal non citizens.
There's no chance these two idiots are coming up with this independently. Some where on right wing media they are calling for government censorship of these stories and using this "weoponized text" phrase.

Ok, I couldn't just post that without searching.

https://www.google.com/amp/www.breit...hms-tmobile-us

Assange and Breitbart for one.

Last edited by microbet; 02-23-2017 at 11:04 AM.
02-23-2017 , 11:00 AM
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Originally Posted by aoFrantic
hot take: the republicans lose 2018 in a wave election if they repeal the ACA.
The town halls are nuts.
New catchphrase seems to be "repair Obamacare". This will probably be the go-to phrase for scared Republicans facing angry town hall crowds.

The whole thing is so annoying because it is obvious to anyone with a brain what the solution is to universal coverage, covering pre-existing conditions, taking coverage across state lines, covering kids up to 26, etc. It's called single-payer national healthcare. There is little doubt we will end up there eventually, because it's the only real solution. But look at all the suffering being caused in the meantime.
02-23-2017 , 11:02 AM
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Claiming people are being paid to riot, Republican state senators voted Wednesday to give police new power to arrest anyone who is involved in a peaceful demonstration that may turn bad — even before anything actually happened.
02-23-2017 , 11:02 AM
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Originally Posted by +rep_lol
it just baffles me how people can hate freedom so much. wtf?

like, i would ALWAYS go to bat for the tea party's right to exist and hold rallies/protests. mother****ing KKK has rallies like once or twice a month at the ****in state capitol downtown like 8 mins down the road from me, and i'm not trying to have them arrested for being racist. i mean wtf

Republicans think liberals are trying to steal stuff away from them.

You know, like those dirty foreigners stealing their jerbs.
02-23-2017 , 11:03 AM
Can somebody produce a pay stub from one of these "professional" protesters? I could use some part-time work and protesting is perfect for me. Can someone direct me to the "get paid for protesting" website? That Arizona story is so ridiculous. Its against freedom of speech and freedom of assembly. No way should that stand up against a challenge. But first there would probably have to be a test case of some sort. Its true that these Republicans would gladly shred the constitution they claim to love so much.
02-23-2017 , 11:06 AM
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Originally Posted by microbet
The comments, as usual, have some horrible content, but it's more than just the usual racism and trolling.





There's no chance these two idiots are coming up with this independently. Some where on right wing media they are calling for government censorship of these stories and using this "weoponized text" phrase.

Ok, I couldn't just post that without searching.

https://www.google.com/amp/www.breit...hms-tmobile-us

Assange and Breitbart for one.

Yea it's disgusting. I was texting one of my friends last night about it. She said "Well, she shouldn't have been here in the first place." I said "Nice to see your compassion." I haven't heard back since. LOL.

      
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