Yeah, his post was more social commentary than policy prescription. "Bad post' was way more dickish than I really meant. If you could hear the tone of my typing it would have come off better.

This started with calling Trump racist over being a birther. He also questioned Cruz citizenship. He's a man who will say or do anything because he's a con. If there were any inkling Clinton wasn't a citizen, you don't think he'd be all over that?! I'm asking what makes you so sure the questioning of Obama's citizenship was racist and not just a dishonest right wing tactics and talk show hosts saying or doing anything to discredit him as a PRESIDENT and not because he's black?

You need to learn to paint with all the colors of the wind.

How is this hard? If you aren't white and have a foreign sounding name and we don't like you we are going to refuse to believe that you are a real American and a Christian despite mountains of evidence to the contrary. If you're white we won't even bring up your cultural background or religion even if we hate you. Its obviously racist. If you still don't understand, please just take our word for it and move on.

That's a straw man. There is no sample size of other black presidents to go on. All we know for sure is that this president's citizenship was questioned. I'm asking why you think it was for racial reasons and not simply to delegitimize his presidency.

Let's be clear. Any person who gave any consideration or potential validity to the birther arguments was and is a dummy. There is no living that down unless the person was twelve years old.

If it walks like a duck, talks like a duck, quacks like a duck, it's a duck.

This used to be a good enough argument for dense people, but now they need to spend time saying that some people are accidentally doing racist things, and that the President is accidentally fascist, and their intent matters more than their actions.

I'm sure there are racist birthers! But man you're not winning me over if you're not going to be PC enough to ignore that. You also need to be PC enough to ignore that there's little or no difference between being racist, and doing things to court the racist vote.

I know George Wallace has racist supporters, but you're not going to win people over by focusing on it so much.

It was a viable strategy because racism is so prevent.

It's not hard to understand that pandering to racists should be difficult to do if you're not racist. It's not hard to understand that pandering to racists makes you a racist, regardless of your secret inner heart.

It's not hard to understand that sample size isn't relevant here, and it's not hard to understand the reason it's not relevant is because the argument isn't results oriented.

Also, Tsao, if you were being sincere it would have been pretty hard to ignore my direct questions the way you did.

Good luck on your trolling endeavors, bro

If Obama questioned McCain's citizen status, it would not be racist, in the same way it is not racist for a black person to say to a white person "get over here, boy," merely rude, whereas the reverse would be racist. History informs these considerations.

Lestat, you may not be aware, but there was a period of time in this country where blacks were not given equal rights as whites. During this very brief period, white people controlled elections. Before black Americans were allowed to vote, they were asked to produce extensive proof of their eligibility, whereas equal proof was not required of whites. I suspect it may be these historical resonances that lead to the ULTRA PC LIBRULS (responsible for Trump's victory imo) in this thread calling birtherism racist.

there is a very good movie about her that amount other thinks was Oscar nominated for best foreign language film.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0426578/?ref_=nv_sr_1

There are still very real movements, with varying degrees of success, in at least a dozen states, to make it harder for poor/black people to vote, and to intimidate them from voting, even so far as to arrest black people for giving people rides to the polls.

It's actually pretty ignorant to call it brief, or over. Or even on the decline. In fact, it's on the rise. Do your own research on the Voting Rights Act of 1965 and the recent Supreme Court decision to gut a lot of it, and the context then and now.

That's a lot more productive than going around concern trolling, trying to get people to spell out for you what's all public record. Because you're really going to trust them instead of always being suspicious that they're just using a "card." Because you could possibly get the full picture from some testimonials in this thread instead of doing your own reading.

My post was sarcastic. I do not actually think black/white inequality in America was a blip.

I was more talking to Lestat while adding on to your poast

Lestat why do you get more upset about liberals calling birtherism racist(which it obviously ****ing was) than about police brutality?

I'll answer that. It's because you're a fascist. You LOVE police brutality and hate minorities. That's you, bro! Congratulations. That's the man you've become. Oh yeah, glad you checked back into this thread, you see what your hero Milo Y has been up to lately? You don't learn, do you?

Are you still pretending you didn't vote for Trump? Because yeah my read on this is the same, you absolutely were a birther and so you're defensive about it. And the Venn diagram of birthers and Clinton voters is a pretty ****ing slim overlap.

Yes, it's racist because he's black. Obama would never have brought it up. McCain being born in Panama is a non-issue because it was on American soil. Just like Obama's place of birth should have been a non-issue because he was born in Hawaii. The funny part is Trump probably couldn't point out Kenya on map even if you gave him a hint.

You are acting like this is a one time thing with Trump. He fed off this for 8 years. On top of that, he was sued for not renting to black people. He has a history with this behavior. If you don't think Trump is racist, I don't know what to tell you.

LOL Sklansky trying to do math

Completely off the subject, but isn't it interesting that for fifty years as much as people were uncomfortable with black men voting, they would rather he vote than a white woman? Surprised that fact isn't discussed more often.

I just went down the Steve Bannon rabbit hole.

Jesus Christ that dude scares the **** out of me.

I can't tell if he's a true believer or just using the "alt-right" to push his fringe ideology. He seems completely calculated and may have just tapped in to a disenfranchised sub-group to further his cause.

He basically is advocating a Christian vs. Muslim crusade. Not a war of ideas, but actual war. I can't believe this is the guy whispering in the ear of the man who has his hand on the button.

Let's see what else: he said he's using Trump as "blunt force" for his ideology, we are at the "fourth turning" wherein we need a Great War to press reset, and oh yea my favorite he's a self identified Leninist.

Time to buy more ammo. Or maybe move to Canada lolz.

Can someone talk me out of thinking about doomsday scenarios for the rest of the week...

ICE is becoming a real life Milgram experiment in front of our eyes.

http://thehill.com/latino/320755-law...-from-hospital

It's not that interesting, because black people are a smaller population than women, and because people aren't stupid enough to miss that Jim Crow was very effective at preventing the black vote.

Hell, Jim Crow proves they cared about denying the black vote, even if it meant violence.

@Sklansky: Your idea about racist/nonracist Trump voters is flawed because it presumes that minorities voted for Trump for nonracist reasons. A black person may find Trump's anti-Mexican rhetoric as compelling as a white person, for example.

The reason that most people think that it was racist is because of the other attacks that were grouped in along with it. Yes they were trying to de-legitimize his presidency, but the main course of attack was through his race. You have to realize that in today's society you can't out and out be a racist, you have to use coded language and dog whistles. It isn't the fact that you said some racist things, its the fact that you implied racist precepts without saying racist things. For instance, despite Obama being a state senator and a sitting US senator at the time, people still referred to him as an in experienced community organizer. While we don't have a sample of other black presidents, we do have a large sample of white US presidential candidates. Also, they called for his transcripts from Harvard implying that his grades weren't up to par. This is racist because of the implications not because of the statement. They were implying that he only got into and graduated with a law degree from Harvard because of affirmative action. Saying Obama was born in Kenya and is a Muslim,which Trump has done, implies that he isn't one of 'US' and is instead one of 'Them'. Because he is one of 'them' he isn't legitimate and he also is thus inferior. Classic racist trope and dog-whistle.

Here is why that math/assumptions is trash. It's based on the fact that voters voted FOR Trump. I'd estimate that a majority simply voted against Hillary. Also this fails to account for lower than expected turnout of would-be Hillary voters. That is why Trump won. Even Trump has acknowledged this multiple times. Minority (mostly black) voters did not turn out at expected levels. This is mostly due to voter suppression on both the state level and targeted voter suppression through Trump's analytics firm, Cambridge Analytica. Also, Hillary's GOTV effort was poor at best. I think fivethirtyeight showed Hillary got about 98% of her expected turnout while Trump got around 108% of his.

http://m.democracynow.org/stories/17012

its not just Bannon that is pursuing this agenda. I wasn't aware about Betsy Devos brother, Erik Prince who founded Blackwater and is also a member of team Christian America #1. He has trump's ear and supposedly gave his input to many of trumps cabinet picks(obv his sister...bye bye funding for public schools) WAAF.