It's not just after repeal. Don't forget Obamacare itself has significant taxes on the rich - the 3.8% tax on investment income and the 0.9% tax on incomes over $200k.

Who should I be rooting for in this DNC debate?

I kind of like Buttigieg though they haven't really let Harrison talk yet.

FYI I started a thread to discuss the DNC chair election: http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/41...hread-1655027/

Who actually has a plan to win elections? When Howard Dean was chair of the DNC, he had a "50 state strategy" and then the Dems won the house, senate and presidency. Then after that they gave up and tried to just run up the score in the blue states and you can see the results.

Which brings me back to what I said before. The chances of pulling off something like the above is probably decreased dramatically if the vitriol against Trump is at a level such that he feels that an out of the box idea like this will cause his friends to be angry but won't gain enough admiration from those who presently hate him to make it worth it.

Minor nit; You overstate the degree to which people are aware of the issue imo.

Also, any mention of the stagnation of real wages in the US needs to mention how the cost of living has gone up significantly in real terms. e.g. the rent is too damn high.

Elizabeth Warren has a fantastic talk on the this exact issue. (with actual facts! And data!)



If you watch the entire thing and have a concise answer to where all the productivity gainz have gone, supported with data of course, myself and some fellas in Switzerland would be interested in your answer.

If you can't watch much check out 6:15 to 13:30 to get the high level view.

That's punk rock af

I loved how he's so condescending about it.

"Words have meanings guys! Learn to use a dictionary. Trump isn't racist, he's prejudiced! Stop making this into something it's not!"

Then when you look up the word racism in the dictionary, literally the first word is prejudice.

Haha this guy is good.

On buses driven by GHW Bush, because Canadians would much prefer having their babies in USA!

How about Utah then? Would that be a good model for your "single payer system"?

this one's an amazing story worth checking out

Because wording matters.
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http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-39060243

To me his post was more about calling out Republican hypocrisy when it comes to being the party of "personal responsibility" and picking yourself up by your bootstraps. I think your posts are complementary and both good.

General Tsao bringing a dictionary to an encyclopedia fight

No. I actually did not know that to be the case. I didn't follow the movement that closely and assumed it was a few nutcases and radio anti-Obama talking heads that would say and do anything to discredit him. What precisely made it racist?

I don't follow McCain. I'm also not saying there weren't people who joined the birther movement for racist reasons. My question is what specifically was it about the birther movement that made it racist and not just say and do any stupid thing they could think of to discredit a president they disagreed with on every front?

I think the republicans are by far, the more cut throat party. They will lie, cheat, and steal, and basically do anything to further their agenda.

You need to point out what's racist about it. Questioning his birth certificate is mind numbing stupid, but what makes it racist? Is it just because he's black? If Obama brought up McCain being born in Panama would you then have called Obama a racist?

I thought there was less than zero merit and laughed anytime I heard it being talked about on TV.

Oh, I see where you're going... The ole when all else fails put words in the mouth of the person who triggers your poor sensitivities because you can't really answer the question being asked. Gotcha!

Did anyone hear anything about Bannon vetoing sub-cabinet appointments?

Seriously...people need to realize that it's their job to teach people like you really, really basic stuff on the internet for free!

How would you distinguish between a racist birther movement, and a "discredit the president by any means" movement that "just happened" to settle upon racist birtherism as the means to discredit the president, and why do you think it is important to distinguish between the two?

That's what I'm trying to find out. I would think it would have to have something to do with ya know, race. Not whether someone is a citizen. Republicans are known for underhanded insults, disruption, and pure obstructionism at any cost. My question is how did you conclude it was racism and not one of these reasons?

I watched it all. It was great. Warren rules.

So if Obama questioned McCain's citizenship because he was born in Panama, you'd be calling Obama a racist?

You must've slept through the election. Large groups of white men had me hearing stories from people that HRC was responsible for the murder of over 20 people. I think she's white. The key here is we are talking about the GOP which has no play that too foul to put into their playbook. Black, white, male, or female. Look what they did to Kerry!