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11-21-2018 , 08:36 PM

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11-21-2018 , 08:40 PM
Choke on your turkey you miserable fat ****ing imbecile.
11-21-2018 , 08:42 PM
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Originally Posted by David Sklansky
Trump obviously did similar calculations
Do you ACTUALLY believe he did that? I mean, come on. You're smarter than this.
11-21-2018 , 08:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Namath12
David you always lose me at some point in your long poasts but I take comfort in being able to identify that exact point

You can pretty much bank on it being wrong at the comparison to reality step.

11-21-2018 , 08:54 PM
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Originally Posted by AllTheCheese
I'm on Trump's side here. "Independent judiciary" is complete and utter bull****. Federal judge Brett Kavanaugh and a random GOP congresscritter would rule the same in what, like 90% of cases? The next Trump SCOTUS pick should be a Staten Island pool store owner, just to illustrate the point. No one will notice the difference.

In Robert's defense, he was probably asserting not that judges aren't biased but rather that judges don't feel obligated to please those who appointed them. Of course it is not an important distinction, practically speaking, because appointers try to pick those who have indicated by their past decisions that they will be happy with future decisions.

I don't know if Roberts is looking through rose colored glasses when he asserts that almost all judges call them like they legally see them rather than based on who they are beholden to. It is likely that he has a naive opinion of other judges, similar to how the posters on this site don't realize that 65 % of Americans are deplorables rather than 40 %. But it is forgiveable that he takes umbrage given he was the conservative that saved Obamacare.
11-21-2018 , 08:55 PM
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Originally Posted by eyebooger
Do you ACTUALLY believe he did that? I mean, come on. You're smarter than this.
It's very obviously a joke.
11-21-2018 , 09:00 PM
I didn't say a single thing about the SC agreeing with cases they haven't heard. Are you high?
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Originally Posted by David Sklansky
Risking microbet's wrath I must point out that your implication that the Supreme Court agrees with 99.2% of the ninth circuit decisons is flawed. If they are 80% to overturn the 1% they hear there is no way they are 0% regarding the other 99%. If they are 60% to overturn another 1%, 20% to overturn another 8%, and 5% to overturn the remaining 90%, all reasonable guesses, then they actually would agree with the ninth circuit if they reviewed all decisions 92.5% of the time. And many of those decisions were surely non political.

Trump obviously did similar calculations and then decided to mislead.
11-21-2018 , 09:02 PM
No time for wrath today.
11-21-2018 , 09:02 PM
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Originally Posted by realDonaldTrump

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11-21-2018 , 09:06 PM
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Originally Posted by jman220
You don’t understand how the court system works. If they are 80 percent to overturn the 1 percent they are still almost certainly 0 percent regarding the other 99 percent. The Supreme Court doesn’t choose which cases it reviews randomly. There’s a process called certiorari where they decide which cases they will hear after reviewing all the cases that have been appealed to them. If they’ve denied cert to a case it means that they felt the case wasn’t worth reviewing and possibly overturning at the Supreme Court level.... meaning they are not and would not overturn it.... meaning it would not be overturned.
Why did you bring up choosing cases randomly? My post clearly implied that they choose those that have a good chance of being overturned. But you assertion, while logically possible is still beyond common sense. Especially given that they don't have time to rule on all cases that they know they might overturn. Although there are things in life that are either 100% or 0% I can think of nothing that is either 80% or 0%. This is an important concept that comes up in a lot of areas besides this one and should not be given short shrift.
11-21-2018 , 09:14 PM
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Originally Posted by David Sklansky
Why did you bring up choosing cases randomly? My post clearly implied that they choose those that have a good chance of being overturned. But you assertion, while logically possible is still beyond common sense. Especially given that they don't have time to rule on all cases that they know they might overturn. Although there are things in life that are either 100% or 0% I can think of nothing that is either 80% or 0%. This is an important concept that comes up in a lot of areas besides this one and should not be given short shrift.
You are still not getting it. The original post you replied to said that 99%,of their decisions stand. That must be true if a higher court only hears 1% of their cases because that’s the only mechanism by which their ruling can possibly not stand. If you are the highest court that hears a particular case you are correct 100% of the time.
11-21-2018 , 09:15 PM
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Originally Posted by master3004
I didn't say a single thing about the SC agreeing with cases they haven't heard. Are you high?
My first sentence could have been "for those who might have took from master's post the implication that the Supreme Court essentially agrees with 99.2% of 9th Circuits decision. I need to point out......" Is that better?
11-21-2018 , 09:16 PM
Someone take grandpa’s phone away.
11-21-2018 , 09:18 PM
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Originally Posted by David Sklansky
My first sentence could have been "for those who might have took from master's post the implication that the Supreme Court essentially agrees with 99.2% of 9th Circuits decision. I need to point out......" Is that better?
Do you think the majority of posters here are ****ing stupid?
11-21-2018 , 09:21 PM
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Originally Posted by TheHip41
Someone take grandpa’s phone away.
Which one
11-21-2018 , 09:31 PM
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Originally Posted by dth123451
Which one
All of them.
11-21-2018 , 09:45 PM
So the Supreme Court VOTES on which appealed cases to take- by definition they aren’t taking a lot of cases unless the MAJORITY think it’s at least possible they would overturn- I think it’s corrxt that the easily overturn half he cases they decide to consider.

There is a strong confirmation bias (in this OK, this is the law not a science experiment).

It’s irrelevant the percent of unappealed cases or cases they don’t take under consideration.

The whole argument about the 9th circuit is bogus and anyone that tries to prove something via math is just revealing their own bias.
11-21-2018 , 09:52 PM
Paying any attention to Grandpas bull**** tweets is a counter productive waste of fine.
11-21-2018 , 10:00 PM
Everyone understands the 9th only covers part of the country, right?
11-21-2018 , 10:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Nittery
Everyone understands the 9th only covers part of the country, right?
Are you including the President of the United States of America in your definition of "everyone"? If so: no.
11-21-2018 , 10:17 PM
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Originally Posted by David Sklansky
In Robert's defense, he was probably asserting not that judges aren't biased but rather that judges don't feel obligated to please those who appointed them. Of course it is not an important distinction, practically speaking, because appointers try to pick those who have indicated by their past decisions that they will be happy with future decisions.

I don't know if Roberts is looking through rose colored glasses when he asserts that almost all judges call them like they legally see them rather than based on who they are beholden to. It is likely that he has a naive opinion of other judges, similar to how the posters on this site don't realize that 65 % of Americans are deplorables rather than 40 %. But it is forgiveable that he takes umbrage given he was the conservative that saved Obamacare.
What if I were to tell you that Roberts repeatedly went before the Supreme Court as a lawyer to overturn parts of the Voting Rights Act, and one of his first acts as a Supreme Court Justice was to overturn parts of the Voting Rights Act.

Roberts isn't naive. He knows that the key to the Supreme Court's legitimacy is being perceived as objective so as he institutes a conservative agenda from the bench he needs to throw up as much smoke that's its not a conservative agenda but simply judges dispassionatly looking at the law. Faux fighting with Trump achieves the look of independence.
11-21-2018 , 10:20 PM
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Originally Posted by David Sklansky
Why did you bring up choosing cases randomly? My post clearly implied that they choose those that have a good chance of being overturned. But you assertion, while logically possible is still beyond common sense. Especially given that they don't have time to rule on all cases that they know they might overturn. Although there are things in life that are either 100% or 0% I can think of nothing that is either 80% or 0%. This is an important concept that comes up in a lot of areas besides this one and should not be given short shrift.
You are misunderstanding. The legal effect of denying certiorari is to allow the case you are denying certiorari from to stand as good law. By denying certiorari the Supreme Court is not overturning the lower court decision, it is in fact making an affirmative decision that has the opposite effect. Thus the original point that the Supreme Court only overturns 80 percent of 1 percent of cases, from the 9th and allows 100 percent of 99 percent of them to stand, as evidence that 99.2 percent of the 9th circuit decisions are not overturned by the Supreme Court is both correct, and relevant to show that the 9th circuit (and for that matter all circuits, and all district courts) get the case decisions right the vast vast vast majority of the time. And yes I am confident in saying that the other 99 percent of cases are cases that the Supreme Court is not overturning 100 percent of the time because the Supreme Court by denying certiorari is doing exactly that.
11-21-2018 , 10:36 PM
Jman220...Thanks for these posts....

Does that mean that once the subpoena comes down & it gets to the supreme court, then its getting overturned, so T dosen't need to sit for Q's.

I know the Nixon case was documents & this has never been tested before.

And roberts know this, and is why he fired back now, giving the appearence of independence.
11-21-2018 , 10:55 PM
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Originally Posted by David Sklansky
Risking microbet's wrath I must point out that your implication that the Supreme Court agrees with 99.2% of the ninth circuit decisons is flawed.

He did not imply any such thing.

You inferred it. Incorrectly, I might add.

Such a master logician...
11-21-2018 , 11:19 PM
Of the thousands of tweets, today’s “it’s cold outside lol global warming” is by far the single dumbest. It’s so dumb I really doubt it will ever be surpassed.

It’s so dumb Sklansky almost certainly is about to post how he is actually correct cause logic and algebra.

This tweet is a perfect litmus test. Show it to someone and ask them if they support Trump still. If the answer is yes you don’t need to know anything else about that person to completely ignore anything they say on any topic ever.

      
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