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02-21-2017 , 05:37 PM

#12426

Zimmer4141

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Any news on whether or not Yolo Minneapolis paid out any of that Scholarship Fund for White students?

02-21-2017 , 05:39 PM

#12427

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Obviously there's no proof or maybe not even more likely than not it's a secret signal. But the whole point of sending a secret signal is plausible deniability. If it was any more obvious he'd be doing it wrong. Can you think of one person in recent US history who'd be more likely to try something like that than Stephen Miller?

02-21-2017 , 05:39 PM

#12428

Minirra

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Autocratic

Come on with this bull****.

Miller is clearly a racist POS, you don't have to go full Facebook grandma.

^ Right. I think it's important not to devolve into paranoid alt-left types and start reaching hard on things like that. There are plenty of openly ****ed up things to address. The guy is racist because he's got a strongly supported history of it.

If he shows up wearing a swastika armband or something that's different. But if you've got to start red-circling pictures and explaining it with text...

SO WHERE'S THE NAKED JEW GUY?

02-21-2017 , 05:43 PM

#12429

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Quote:

Originally Posted by suzzer99

This post from a 2p2er is not aging well.

Btw I posted the tape of Milo yesterday. Here's the right-wing hive mind in action. He replies:

Quote:

yeah, that's not ok if true.

Dude it's a recording you can hear it with your own ears. Then a friend shows up and posts Milo's damage control FB post from yesterday. And of course:

Quote:

Nice find. It does not surprise me in the least that the left figured out a deceptive way to try to smear one of their adversaries.

Case closed good day sir.

02-21-2017 , 05:45 PM

#12430

All-In Flynn

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Quote:

Originally Posted by suzzer99

And baked into plausible deniability is the potential for false positives. That's literally how it works. And it's not particularly obvious, and based on the example picture from the ADL, I'd say he is doing it wrong if he's doing it.

02-21-2017 , 05:47 PM

#12431

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FWIW that is exactly how 90% of the population adjusts their tie. Like, I am throwing up white power gang signs ever time I tighten my knot.

02-21-2017 , 05:48 PM

#12432

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Originally Posted by All-In Flynn

And baked into plausible deniability is the potential for false positives. That's literally how it works. And it's not particularly obvious, and based on the example picture from the ADL, I'd say he is doing it wrong if he's doing it.

I agree with the bolded. I'm not starting a boner-pill-hawking website dedicated to Stephen Miller's hand gestures. I am saying if I had to bet - I bet he did it intentionally.

And come on about doing it wrong. Obviously he's not going to drop this in the middle of the interview:

02-21-2017 , 05:48 PM

#12433

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FWIW that is exactly how 90% of the population adjusts their tie. Like, I am throwing up white power gang signs ever time I tighten my knot.

The bottom hand isn't anywhere near the tie. It's still tucked into the jacket.

02-21-2017 , 05:50 PM

#12434

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Originally Posted by General Tsao

I see the P in the second image...Not seeing it in the first? Where is it...

It's as close as you can get w/o being super-obvious. Or it's just a coincidence. Given the source I'm entertaining the idea it's not a coincidence.

02-21-2017 , 05:54 PM

#12435

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02-21-2017 , 05:55 PM

#12436

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Here's some more versions: http://www.dailykos.com/story/2017/2...ower-hand-sign

02-21-2017 , 05:56 PM

#12437

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http://www.dailykos.com/story/2017/2...ower-hand-sign

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I'm not one to jump in conspiracy band wagons. However, knowing his history and some things about lavalier mics & cords, it is highly unlikely he is adjusting a mic cord.

His mic is on his right, lapel, that cord will be either run close to his shirt around to the back & receiver on his right hip, back, or tucked into his right side jacket pocket. Since his jacket is rather tight, the receiver is likely attached to the back of his pants so that no bulges are visible. Point being, there would be no cord where his fingers are. Additionally, his left hand is outside he coat, again, not where the cord would be, and the pinch of his fingers has nothing in it. Again, based on the placement of the mic, the cord would not be in his tie either.

And as to adjusting his jacket & tie, note again that his pinched fingers are holding nothing, yet very specifically shaped.

Therefore, looking at the ADL white power hand signs, I find it extremely plausible that he is, in fact, making a subtle yet clear to those who know it, WP hand sign.

02-21-2017 , 05:58 PM

#12438

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Anyway it would be really cool to see video for context. Hopefully someone has that somewhere.

02-21-2017 , 05:59 PM

#12439

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Quote:

Originally Posted by suzzer99

The bottom hand isn't anywhere near the tie. It's still tucked into the jacket.

Jesus, man. My point is that it's a common way to grasp ties, and you'd catch anyone doing it if you took enough pictures.

Also, by the way, you can see in the camera that Miller's hands aren't visible on screen. Your thought is that he's maybe throwing up subtle white power gang signs while interviewing, in the hopes that some photographers might snag a pic and publish them, which will embolden his white supremacist allies. All while being deeply autistic.

02-21-2017 , 05:59 PM

#12440

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02-21-2017 , 05:59 PM

#12441

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Quote:

Originally Posted by surfinillini

well this is terrifying...

Illuminati?

02-21-2017 , 06:00 PM

#12442

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stop please

02-21-2017 , 06:00 PM

#12443

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Originally Posted by Autocratic

Pretty sure he is aware when a Reuters photographer is taking pictures of him.

02-21-2017 , 06:01 PM

#12444

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You guys are confusing - possible with likely with proof. I'm not claiming proof. Personally I think it's more likely than not but I realize I'm in the minority. But don't tell me it's not possible.

02-21-2017 , 06:01 PM

#12445

will1530

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Quote:

Originally Posted by surfinillini

well this is terrifying...

The good news is nothing terrifying happened today if we are to the point of making **** up to talk about.

02-21-2017 , 06:02 PM

#12446

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Quote:

Originally Posted by suzzer99

The bottom hand isn't anywhere near the tie. It's still tucked into the jacket.

But it's a photo. He could have been moving his hands down from where they were (adjusting the tie).
This guy is obviously a freak and a weird dude, but this photo means nothing.

02-21-2017 , 06:03 PM

#12447

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Originally Posted by suzzer99

Well, I mean, that sh*t's obvious. The other one, not so much.

02-21-2017 , 06:04 PM

#12448

Minirra

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I'd really like to give "Eryk" at DailyKos the benefit of the doubt, but nah

02-21-2017 , 06:06 PM

#12449

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Anyways it doesn't matter. Miller has a long history of anti immigrant and racist sentiment. No need for a secret handshake when you got the mason symbols on the tail lights of your truck