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02-19-2017 , 09:34 PM
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Originally Posted by yeSpiff
Fox News, aka The President of the Free World's Daily Intelligence Briefing. WAAF
02-19-2017 , 09:39 PM
i think the best thing democrats could do would be to groom some young melania trump lookalike models, but like, ideally just slightly hotter than young melania, and have them go on cnn and all the shows trying to get positive progressive messages into trump's brain

"hey how about hyperloop? why is no one talking about a NY-LA hyperloop designed by the boy genius elon musk?" **** like that
02-19-2017 , 09:41 PM
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Originally Posted by microbet
re campfirewest and Orwell

And his feelings were pretty clear in Down and Out in Paris and London, published in 1933. It wasn't mostly political, but it was somewhat and he did humbly offer social prescriptions and his sympathies were quite clear.

What's interesting is that campfirewest isn't making this up on his own. The popular impression in the US is that Orwell was more or less a US style libertarian who was specifically attacking socialism in 1984. I just asked my daughter who is in 12th grade now and read it for school in 10th grade and she said that no one brought up fascism and everyone, the teacher included, just talked about how it was about socialism and how Orwell was afraid that it was a looming threat.
waaf?
02-19-2017 , 09:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Clovis8
Very well argued rebuttal. Run along now.
You're seriously going to try and talk back after einbert and AIFlynn and Microbet and markksman et al schooled you again, after you started this derail, again.

And not just regular talking back, but criticizing a 'rebuttal' after you posted this:

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Originally Posted by Clovis8
Not going to continue this derail but this post is really terrible...
Rebut... what?

I suppose you just saying 'touche' and shutting the **** up was more self-respect than you could handle.
02-19-2017 , 09:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Clovis8
I was listening to Amicus today a Supreme Court podcast and the guest mentioned congress is working on a bill to outlaw class action lawsuits. It would be crazy.

A good doc on the issue is hot coffee.

I haven't seen any coverage of this.
Too many lawyers in congress for that to happen I think.
02-19-2017 , 10:01 PM
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Originally Posted by markksman
Too many lawyers in congress for that to happen I think.
And bunches of smaller lawsuits would be so much more convenient?
02-19-2017 , 10:07 PM
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Originally Posted by 5ive
You're seriously going to try and talk back after einbert and AIFlynn and Microbet and markksman et al schooled you again, after you started this derail, again.

And not just regular talking back, but criticizing a 'rebuttal' after you posted this:



Rebut... what?

I suppose you just saying 'touche' and shutting the **** up was more self-respect than you could handle.
I didn't restart the derail. Someone responded to me and we had an interesting and respectful discussion until you stepped in.

Run along now.
02-19-2017 , 10:15 PM
This can't be right. That's absurdly low.

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However, when looking at the share of total income paid in taxes, the institute's report estimates the average tax rate for immigrants in the country illegally is higher than the rate paid by America's top earners.

"Undocumented immigrants' nationwide average effective tax rate is an estimated 8 percent," the report said. "To put this in perspective, the top 1 percent of taxpayers pay an average nationwide effective tax rate of just 5.4 percent."
http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/...lions-in-taxes
02-19-2017 , 10:16 PM
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Originally Posted by markksman
Too many lawyers in congress for that to happen I think.
I hope you are correct but the attorney on Amicus seemed to think it might.
02-19-2017 , 10:16 PM
Clovis and 5 time to shut up please.
02-19-2017 , 10:18 PM
Goddamn I went down the Twitter rabbit hole and am even more freaked than I was before.

So many connections to Russia.

Among other horrific coincidences within this administration.

If the other shoe drops Flynn was not even the tip of the iceberg. But seeing some of the connections worldwide, the corruption is too deep. Nothing will happen.

Gonna be a ****ed up 8 years (at least). Because if Kushner runs in 2024.......
02-19-2017 , 10:21 PM
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Originally Posted by microbet
Then it's a credit to you for understanding Orwell. I don't think most Americans do.
well I certainly gained much greater understanding after reading his spanish civil war account and "down and out.." and it was pretty random to come across those.

in particular, I really liked down and out... and I think it everyone should read it bc it still seems to apply.
02-19-2017 , 10:22 PM
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Originally Posted by surfinillini
So many connections to Russia.

Gonna be a ****ed up 8 years (at least). Because if Kushner runs in 2024.......
and even if they can prove all of it a quarter of the country will never believe it. WAAF

Kushner won't run b/c he's either in jail or there won't be an election. (or at least there won't be a challenger with a chance)
02-19-2017 , 10:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Huehuecoyotl
This can't be right. That's absurdly low.



http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/...lions-in-taxes
nope. poor and middle class ppl pay way more than rich ppl in taxes. this has been known forever. its proly the greatest injustice in our country and does more to stifle growth than any other policy.

and just lol at the amount small business owners pay due to social security etc. its like 40%.
02-19-2017 , 10:31 PM
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Originally Posted by mendicant loafer
this is an excellent post, which i've copied/sent to family. seems you concerned the U.S. is headed toward a theocracy, in which case President Pence would pose as much or greater danger to your democracy as President Trump.
I don't think the US is headed toward a theocracy. In fact, I think the role of evangelicals is on a downward slope (see Pew religion polls). The GOP, which has been largely taken over by white evangelicals, has lost the popular vote in 6 of the last 7 presidential elections. If anything, the 2000/04 election was their apex, because they got a real evangelical as president. I do think the modern GOP platform does require an evangelical worldview, or simply lack of concern with actual policy, because one has to accept an alternative reality in order to support the agenda.

That said, I don't know whether to worry more about Trump or Pence. I think Pence could more or less manage to get a whole set of terrible, slightly disguised theocratic agenda items through Congress. I think Trump will have some "successes," but I don't think he has the discipline, commitment, knowledge, skill, or political acumen (in the Pres. LBJ sense) to successfully push an agenda through Congress. Pence is a guaranteed disaster, while Trump is definitely harmful, and a true disgrace, but with a much broader range.

When books are written about the 2016 election, I think we will see (to the extent not already clear) that Trump basically agreed to accept the conservative evangelical agenda hook, line, and sinker in exchange for their support, though I think his natural inclination is more along the lines of standard grumpy old man Fox viewer than true believer.
02-19-2017 , 10:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Victor
well I certainly gained much greater understanding after reading his spanish civil war account and "down and out.." and it was pretty random to come across those.

in particular, I really liked down and out... and I think it everyone should read it bc it still seems to apply.
I very recently read Down and Out (I think I reviewed in the Politics Book Review thread) and I thought it was excellent and everyone should read it.
02-19-2017 , 10:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Clovis8
I was listening to Amicus today a Supreme Court podcast and the guest mentioned congress is working on a bill to outlaw class action lawsuits. It would be crazy.

A good doc on the issue is hot coffee.

I haven't seen any coverage of this.
The Class Action Fairness Act (LOL) from a decade ago already gutted most federal class actions, but I'm sure they could always do more.
02-19-2017 , 10:35 PM
Was looking at a fine picture of a sandwich on Facebook. It was from the fan page called "Ike's Lair".

In the comments section from an older white lady: "If they're going to call it the Liar they should have just called it the Hillary!"

This is where I hop aboard the WAAFtrain.
02-19-2017 , 10:38 PM
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Originally Posted by AllTheCheese
Nice. My favorite was Red Rubber Ball. I didn't get why the engineer thought 9 was prime.
Engineers tries to work with even round numbers on the macro scales because we work to levels of tolerance.
Say, a thing is measured 1999mm high. On the schematics we just say it is 2000mm high. 1999mm would look "odd" in print.

This is also why we would use the Red Rubber Ball chart. It's close enough.
02-19-2017 , 10:42 PM
New muslim ban is out, basically the same thing except it doesn't apply to people who already have visas.
http://trib.in/2m21SZr
02-19-2017 , 10:43 PM
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Originally Posted by simplicitus
The Class Action Fairness Act (LOL) from a decade ago already gutted most federal class actions, but I'm sure they could always do more.
I never heard of that. I may be just making this up, but it does seem like you don't hear about class action suits the way you used to and now you often hear that this or that group doesn't have standing to sue.
02-19-2017 , 10:50 PM
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Originally Posted by iron81
New muslim ban is out, basically the same thing except it doesn't apply to people who already have visas.
http://trib.in/2m21SZr
Usually with this stuff with autocrats it's put up something outrageous so everyone fights that and then slide something that we should be fighting more through then curl back. Opponents think they won a small victory and they still lost. They're still playing the public--they want to divide us.
02-19-2017 , 10:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Clovis8
I didn't restart the derail. Someone responded to me and we had an interesting and respectful discussion until you stepped in.

Run along now.
Ok, that's literally not reality. You win I guess.
02-19-2017 , 11:08 PM
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Originally Posted by wheatrich
Usually with this stuff with autocrats it's put up something outrageous so everyone fights that and then slide something that we should be fighting more through then curl back. Opponents think they won a small victory and they still lost. They're still playing the public--they want to divide us.
Well, I'm sure someone will try to take this one to court too. Probably won't be as quick though. If it gets there that will be a little more interesting as they have had a chance to address some of the problems that existed the first time.

It would also seem that this ban would have to be for a shorter period. Since the first time around they claimed to need 90 days to figure out what's going on. So implementing another 90 days doesn't make sense, unless they're going to admit that they've done nothing for the last month. Of course, consistency is not high on their list of priorities, so who knows what they will do.
02-19-2017 , 11:10 PM
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Originally Posted by iron81
New muslim ban is out, basically the same thing except it doesn't apply to people who already have visas.
http://trib.in/2m21SZr
Based on precedent won`t this just be thrown out immediately by every court?

      
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