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02-19-2017 , 07:36 PM
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Originally Posted by suzzer99
I got bored about 10 paragraphs in. Any juicy highlights?
it kind of makes a point that a place responsible for every single meme you see on the internet is also responsible for having trump as US president
02-19-2017 , 07:40 PM
Remember that trump media survey posted here? Trump didn't like the results he wanted so he has now called them fake.
02-19-2017 , 07:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Victor
that is really scary rhetoric. its very similar to the anti-semitic scapegoating in europe years ago.

and wtf are these safe zones? as far as I understand, the govt of asad wants to kill ppl, and isis wants to kill ppl. so we are gonna build a safe zone from those 2 groups? doesnt really seem feasible.
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Originally Posted by iron81
My understanding is they are supposed to be refugee camps near the Turkish border.
Assad and ISIS aren't the only players. I've just been getting interested in Rojava and the Democratic Confederation of Northern Syria lately. It's a federation of three cantons based on the ideology of a libertarian socialist and pioneer of the ecology movement and anarcho-feminism. The majority of the people in the group are Kurdish, but it's not based on ethnicity or religion. There's also a Kurdish Nationalist Group which is or is tied to the Kurdish autonomous region in Iraq and I think there's the Free Syrian Army or something and the US has not only been providing arms to these groups, but has already been giving supportive air strikes and training. This is all happening along the Turkish border and is quite complicated by the Turkish invasion of Northern Syria and the adversarial relationship of Turkey with the Kurds in Turkey. The Kurdish Nationalists are pretty right-wing and authoritarian, which means business friendly, certainly compared to the Anarcho-Socialist-Feminist-Ecological-Democratic Kurdish group, so my money would be on them receiving the bulk of the US support.

A no-fly zone in the area would be to protect one or more of the Kurdish groups I think. Russia also seems to want to protect some of the Kurdish groups as well I think. Assad, a member of a religious minority himself in Syria, has not been universally hated by groups like the Kurds and Yazidis (who were rescued by the Feminist Democratic Confederalist Kurds when they were up on that mountain).

Anyway, that's my understanding at this point, but I'm just getting into recently.
02-19-2017 , 07:46 PM
he got mad cause democrats answered his public poll
02-19-2017 , 07:48 PM
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Originally Posted by microbet
Are you American?
Yes. As far back as my great grandparents
02-19-2017 , 07:51 PM
Let's all remember what Bannon himself had to say about the MSM - when battling these false equivalencies like WaPo is just as bad as Breitbart.

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[Bannon's] other insight was that the reporters staffing the investigative units of major newspapers aren’t the liberal ideologues of conservative fever dreams but kindred souls who could be recruited into his larger enterprise. “What you realize hanging out with investigative reporters is that, while they may be personally liberal, they don’t let that get in the way of a good story,” he says. “And if you bring them a real story built on facts, they’re f---ing badasses, and they’re fair.” Recently, I met with Brock, who renounced conservatism and became an important liberal strategist, fundraiser, and Clinton ally. He founded the liberal watchdog group Media Matters for America and just published a book, Killing The Messenger: The Right-Wing Plot to Derail Hillary and Hijack Your Government. Brock’s attitude toward Bannon isn’t enmity toward an ideological opponent, as I'd expected, but rather a curiosity and professional respect for the tradecraft Bannon demonstrated in advancing the Clinton Cash narrative. What conservatives learned in the ’90s, Brock says, is that “your operation isn’t going to succeed if you don’t cross the barrier into the mainstream.” Back then, he says, conservative reporting had to undergo an elaborate laundering to influence U.S. politics. Reporters such as Brock would publish in small magazines and websites, then try to get their story planted in the British tabloids and hope a right-leaning U.S. outlet such as the New York Post or the Drudge Report picked it up. If it generated enough heat, it might break through to a mainstream paper.
There is almost no equivalent path for liberal muck-rakers to pierce the right-wing media bubble. It's a one-way street.
02-19-2017 , 07:54 PM
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Originally Posted by uDevil
Coincidentally, this is the same lawyer who had to show Trump his passport to prove he hadn't been to Prague.
He showed it to the whole world.

02-19-2017 , 08:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Victor
Yes. As far back as my great grandparents
Then it's a credit to you for understanding Orwell. I don't think most Americans do.
02-19-2017 , 08:01 PM
My x-ray vision confirms his claim.
02-19-2017 , 08:01 PM
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Originally Posted by waterwolves
There was a claim itt that there was 250k more votes for Democratic representatives in the house. Does anybody have a link to those figures?
What I'm finding (wiki) shows R house votes outnumbering D house votes 63.1M to 61.8M (1.1%)

You will see a senate chart showing D senate votes outnumbered R senate votes 51.5M to 40.5M, but that is irredeemably skewed by all 12.25M votes in the California race going to 2 Democratic candidates.

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This twitter thread is a pretty brilliant analysis of why Trump's speaking style is so frustrating to combat.



https://twitter.com/EmilyGorcenski/s...82921339432960

My two cents (not linking my own tweets in here, that's just dumb):

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Everything is soaked in deniability. So the left screams "I know what he meant", the right says "He didn't say it", and everybody else picks their sides. Most tend to pick the right because it's intellectually simpler.
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The highlight of that medium post comes pretty late, and goes toward my personal theory of Trump as unabashed wish fulfillment.

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Trump’s bizarre, inconstant, incompetent, embarrassing, ridiculous behavior — what the left (naturally) perceives as his weaknesses — are to his supporters his strengths.
In other words, Trump is 4chan.
Trump is Pepe.
Trump is loserdom embraced.
Trump is the loser who has won, the pathetic little frog on the big strong body.
02-19-2017 , 08:03 PM
Roger Stone on MSNBC right now
02-19-2017 , 08:06 PM
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Originally Posted by microbet
Assad and ISIS aren't the only players. I've just been getting interested in Rojava and the Democratic Confederation of Northern Syria lately. It's a federation of three cantons based on the ideology of a libertarian socialist and pioneer of the ecology movement and anarcho-feminism. The majority of the people in the group are Kurdish, but it's not based on ethnicity or religion. There's also a Kurdish Nationalist Group which is or is tied to the Kurdish autonomous region in Iraq and I think there's the Free Syrian Army or something and the US has not only been providing arms to these groups, but has already been giving supportive air strikes and training. This is all happening along the Turkish border and is quite complicated by the Turkish invasion of Northern Syria and the adversarial relationship of Turkey with the Kurds in Turkey. The Kurdish Nationalists are pretty right-wing and authoritarian, which means business friendly, certainly compared to the Anarcho-Socialist-Feminist-Ecological-Democratic Kurdish group, so my money would be on them receiving the bulk of the US support.


A no-fly zone in the area would be to protect one or more of the Kurdish groups I think. Russia also seems to want to protect some of the Kurdish groups as well I think. Assad, a member of a religious minority himself in Syria, has not been universally hated by groups like the Kurds and Yazidis (who were rescued by the Feminist Democratic Confederalist Kurds when they were up on that mountain).

Anyway, that's my understanding at this point, but I'm just getting into recently.
It's a huge cluster. The State Department decided to back the Free Syrian Army and I think some smaller groups, like you stated. So you have the CIA and the Special Forces (Green Berets) training these guys, and they can't tell who the good guys are and who the bad guys are. Three Green Berets died in late November/early December at a check point. I read an op-ed from a Green Beret
and he basically denounced the whole program in Syria that the State Department has put together. They're supporting and training moderate rebels that sympathize with ISIS.

This link might be a pay site (I think my comp keeps me logged in), but just in case it's not, I'll post it. It's not the op-ed I reference but a great article, nonetheless.

https://sofrep.com/63764/us-special-...-ops-in-syria/

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The fact that the FSA simply passed American-made weaponry off to al-Nusra is also unsurprising considering that the CIA’s vetting process of militias in Syria is lackluster, consisting of little more than running traces in old databases.
02-19-2017 , 08:07 PM
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Originally Posted by lenC
He showed it to the whole world.
Proving... that he has a passport.
02-19-2017 , 08:18 PM
It seems to have died down now, but if it starts up again, can we excise the Islam stuff? I'm sick of it and this thread moves fast enough as is.
02-19-2017 , 08:26 PM
NYMag on John McCain:

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer...ald-trump.html

It has some interesting insights. Basically splits the difference between John McCain: Courageous Man of Principle and this forum's semi-consensus John McCain: Cowardly Political Hack.

I'd be lying though if I didn't admit one of my main motivations in posting this was to cite this golden quote, if you catch my drift.

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Though many expected McCain to take a firm stand against Trump the candidate, he refused to join the Never Trump movement led by Mitt Romney. “Romney was pissing on Trump in a way that almost made you feel bad for Trump,” one McCain adviser told me.
02-19-2017 , 08:32 PM
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Originally Posted by sportsjefe
What I'm finding (wiki) shows R house votes outnumbering D house votes 63.1M to 61.8M (1.1%)

You will see a senate chart showing D senate votes outnumbered R senate votes 51.5M to 40.5M, but that is irredeemably skewed by all 12.25M votes in the California race going to 2 Democratic candidates.
Thanks man
02-19-2017 , 08:41 PM
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Originally Posted by uDevil
Proving... that he has a passport.
I assume even a Trumper can appreciate this old joke.

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A mathematician, a physicist, and an engineer are riding a train through Scotland.

The engineer looks out the window, sees a black sheep, and exclaims, "Hey! They've got black sheep in Scotland!"

The physicist looks out the window and corrects the engineer, "Strictly speaking, all we know is that there's at least one black sheep in Scotland."

The mathematician looks out the window and corrects the physicist, " Strictly speaking, all we know is that at least one side of one sheep is black in Scotland."
http://www.cs.northwestern.edu/~ries...thphyseng.html

Last edited by uDevil; 02-19-2017 at 09:02 PM.
02-19-2017 , 08:48 PM
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Originally Posted by simplicitus
Thing is, it's fine to troll Trump slappies or even weak "we needed change" supporters with Russia stuff, but the real issue is that Trump is a clueless buffoon with bad instincts and no understanding of government, policy, law, history, science, economics, or anything else really. He's just a fast talking con man who knows nothing fueled by cultural grievances and a healthy dollop of racism (not "I hate black [mexican/brown] people" racism, but the more common "I believe many negative things about black [mexican/brown] people because I'm stupid" variety), but that's more or less calibrated to his base, who also tend to be clueless about the above topics. There is also a not insignificant segment who like Trump because he's basically outsourced his foreign and domestic policy shop to the worst version of conservativism.

In (limited) defense of those who criticize Harris for focusing too much on Islam, fact is that white evangelicals are basically entirely responsible for Trump and the modern terrible incarnation of the GOP. White evangelicals are a cancer on society, and they need to be mercilessly ridiculed and stomped out of any position of authority or responsibility in American life. Their worldview is false and distructive and anathema to any version of a successful modern democratic society. While it's easy to focus on high profile idiots like Peter Theil and various other stripes of deplorable, it's the white evangelicals who have real power at the ballot box and who are the real problem.
this is an excellent post, which i've copied/sent to family. seems you concerned the U.S. is headed toward a theocracy, in which case President Pence would pose as much or greater danger to your democracy as President Trump.
02-19-2017 , 08:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Clovis8
Not going to continue this derail
The derail you started with your asinine takes. Isn't that convenient.

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but this post is really terrible and clearly not based on much experience with Harris
Yeah, I only stick to non-World Class Scholars.

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or religious interpretation.

I'll just say this, there is no passage in the bible about abortion.
You're making my point.
02-19-2017 , 09:03 PM
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Originally Posted by uDevil
I assume even a Trumper can appreciate this old joke.



http://www.cs.northwestern.edu/~ries...thphyseng.html
Nice. My favorite was Red Rubber Ball. I didn't get why the engineer thought 9 was prime.
02-19-2017 , 09:05 PM
Oh look, more totally-not-a-derail.

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Originally Posted by Clovis8
Literally nobody sane disagrees with this, including Harris and Hitchens. It doesn't speak to the point of the debate we are having though. The point opponents of Islam make is that it's general tenants are socially regressive. Terrorism obviously is not one of those tenants, but female repression, homophobia, and sectarianism are.
It's "tenets" mother****er.

Maybe you didn't get to that chapter yet in Harris' scintillating new work, Everything You Wanted To Know About Mooslims But Were Afraid To Ask.
02-19-2017 , 09:07 PM
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Originally Posted by jayhawks
It's a huge cluster. The State Department decided to back the Free Syrian Army and I think some smaller groups, like you stated. So you have the CIA and the Special Forces (Green Berets) training these guys, and they can't tell who the good guys are and who the bad guys are. Three Green Berets died in late November/early December at a check point. I read an op-ed from a Green Beret
and he basically denounced the whole program in Syria that the State Department has put together. They're supporting and training moderate rebels that sympathize with ISIS.

This link might be a pay site (I think my comp keeps me logged in), but just in case it's not, I'll post it. It's not the op-ed I reference but a great article, nonetheless.

https://sofrep.com/63764/us-special-...-ops-in-syria/
This is from a Kurdish source and who knows what sources from anywhere are reliable, but this is consistent with a fair amount of other stuff I've been seeing and the news outlet here is not from Rojava, but from the Iraqi Kurdish area which is not generally sympatico with the the anti-nationalist Rojava Movement.

http://www.nrttv.com/en/birura-details.aspx?Jimare=5047
02-19-2017 , 09:16 PM
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Originally Posted by AllTheCheese
Nice. My favorite was Red Rubber Ball. I didn't get why the engineer thought 9 was prime.
Having taken a fair number of classes taught by mathematicians and physicists, I'm gonna say they don't think engineers are very smart.

I didn't notice that site messed up the punchline of my favorite joke. Damn them.
02-19-2017 , 09:24 PM
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Originally Posted by 5ive
Oh look, more totally-not-a-derail.



It's "tenets" mother****er.

Maybe you didn't get to that chapter yet in Harris' scintillating new work, Everything You Wanted To Know About Mooslims But Were Afraid To Ask.
Very well argued rebuttal. Run along now.
02-19-2017 , 09:28 PM
I was listening to Amicus today a Supreme Court podcast and the guest mentioned congress is working on a bill to outlaw class action lawsuits. It would be crazy.

A good doc on the issue is hot coffee.

I haven't seen any coverage of this.

Last edited by Clovis8; 02-19-2017 at 09:37 PM.

      
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