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01-25-2017 , 02:58 PM
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Originally Posted by raradevils
There's a good possibility they end up with +60 in the Senate and majority in house in two years. The map is not favorable for dems.
exactly. the gerrymandering was a long game but it has finally come to fruition and it really was brilliant.
01-25-2017 , 02:58 PM
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Originally Posted by suzzer99
That otherwise intelligent conservatives who more or less try to argue in good faith (IE - not 33) still refuse to accept the motivations and effects of voter ID laws - no matter how much blatant evidence is presented to them - has caused me to lose all hope anyone can ever be reasoned in the age of identity politics.
For the record, I was generally pro the concept of voter ID without having thought about it much. Reading the thread here flipped me pretty quickly and easily. So it's possible.
01-25-2017 , 02:59 PM
I'm actually morbidly curious at this point what's going to happen when nothing changes in 2018 (and 2020?) after more voter suppression. Presumably Democrats will push hard and not change anything, simply because the system is completely ruined. What happens then?
01-25-2017 , 03:00 PM
Gerrymandering started to make sure minorities have majority districts so they have representation
01-25-2017 , 03:02 PM
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Originally Posted by catch thirtythree
Someone please link me to some stories of people who were so inspired by their candidate but couldn't vote due to GOP obstruction even though they wanted to vote more than anything. From this election cycle and the source can't be salon, huffpo, CNN etc
why should these ppl be forced to put in more effort than others? why should they need to be so inspired that they jump through hoops?

anyway, here ya go

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-us...-idUSKCN0YO19D
01-25-2017 , 03:03 PM
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Originally Posted by catch thirtythree
What's up with the hate for DAPL? people want energy and pipelines are more environmentally friendly than transporting it by rail/truck
Do you want it going through your backyard?
01-25-2017 , 03:06 PM
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Originally Posted by catch thirtythree
Gerrymandering started to make sure minorities have majority districts so they have representation
This is what Republicans actually believe...

Gonna need to see some sources, and they can't be right wing.

Last edited by otatop; 01-25-2017 at 03:17 PM. Reason: dropped an s
01-25-2017 , 03:11 PM
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Originally Posted by otatop
This is what Republicans actually believe...
Nah it's true. There was originally bipartisan efforts to get more minority representation. That's because the other form of gerrymandering, diluting minority voters so there weren't ever any minority representation, was rife. Democrats got outmaneuvered though because they wanted more minority representatives, Republicans packed as many minorities into few districts resulting in over Republican representation. So now we have more minority representation than ever but fewer Democrat representation
01-25-2017 , 03:13 PM
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Originally Posted by champstark
I'm actually morbidly curious at this point what's going to happen when nothing changes in 2018 (and 2020?) after more voter suppression. Presumably Democrats will push hard and not change anything, simply because the system is completely ruined. What happens then?
one party state. trump transfers power to his son. eventually a stalinesque leader emerges/seizes power.

only way out at this point is armed revolt. admittedly, this is a very low percentage option and will likely result in further crackdowns.
01-25-2017 , 03:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Victor
exactly. the gerrymandering was a long game but it has finally come to fruition and it really was brilliant.
It makes sense as to why they opposed Obama every step of the way since 2009. And they would have done it had HC won. They knew sooner or later it would work.

So how do we fix this problem? Wait until after the 2020 census?
01-25-2017 , 03:16 PM
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Originally Posted by catch thirtythree
Gerrymandering started to make sure minorities have majority districts so they have representation
that's hard to believe
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerrymandering#Etymology
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The word gerrymander (originally written Gerry-mander) was used for the first time in the Boston Gazette on 26 March 1812. The word was created in reaction to a redrawing of Massachusetts state senate election districts under Governor Elbridge Gerry (pronounced /ˈɡɛri/; 1744–1814). In 1812, Governor Gerry signed a bill that redistricted Massachusetts to benefit his Democratic-Republican Party.
01-25-2017 , 03:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Kukraprout
The best case scenario was him dying of auto-erotic asphixiation in a cold bathroom 10 minutes after his inauguration.
The worst case scenario was nukes on day 1.

I'd say we're somewhere in the middle, trending towards worse.
No, him drowning in another person's urine is #1 best case scenario.
01-25-2017 , 03:18 PM
Wow, the NPS just straight up trolling Donny now. Edit: Not official

01-25-2017 , 03:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Huehuecoyotl
Nah it's true.
See this reply
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Originally Posted by th14
Elbridge Gerry was a Democratic-Republican, and while this chart only goes to 1806 I can't imagine they dropped off enough in 4 years to have lost their ridiculous Congressional majority.

I guess it depends on your definition of "started".
01-25-2017 , 03:23 PM
If democracy is not good enough, revolution is good solution. Last time in Europe were very successful German fascists.
01-25-2017 , 03:25 PM
The GOP has refined their bull**** voter suppression tactics. It will get "better."

Remember, this nonsense is implemented at the state level. The GOP controls a ton of governor seats in presidential swing states and states with swingy districts (the few that remain). And all they have to do is discourage some small percentage of likely D voters to decide its just too ****ing annoying to vote. That really isn't hard. Close a few BMV offices in urban areas, change the bus schedule so its really hard to get there, make wait times much longer not only to get the ID but also to vote (somehow voting day isn't a national holiday and these are working class people who can't just call off). The landscape is really depressing.
01-25-2017 , 03:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Clovis8
So Trump is officially far worse than the worst case scenarios at this point, right?
When he pulls out of NATO, it's all hands on deck.
01-25-2017 , 03:30 PM
Lol @ gerrymandering the bus schedule.
01-25-2017 , 03:33 PM
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Originally Posted by prana
All the intelligence agencies are telling you to about Russia. No investigation needed.

No evidence from anyone other than his imagination that millions voted illegally. Investigation needed.
What a farce.
01-25-2017 , 03:38 PM
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Originally Posted by spidercrab
For the record, I was generally pro the concept of voter ID without having thought about it much. Reading the thread here flipped me pretty quickly and easily. So it's possible.
Good to know.
01-25-2017 , 03:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Penetrator
If democracy is not good enough, revolution is good solution. Last time in Europe were very successful German fascists.
That was hardly the last revolution in Europe.

Spain revolted from fascism, little monarchism, to elections, failed coup, to a democratic socialist government from 1978-1982.

Carnation revolution in Portugal in 1974. Velvet revolution Czechoslovakia 1989. Yugoslavia, Georgia, Ukraine, Belarus, Moldova, and Macedonia as well.
01-25-2017 , 03:41 PM
what demographic will make up the majority of wall workers? I imagine every race encountering backlash for signing up for the job
01-25-2017 , 03:45 PM
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Originally Posted by spidercrab
For the record, I was generally pro the concept of voter ID without having thought about it much. Reading the thread here flipped me pretty quickly and easily. So it's possible.
The GOP is very, very good at messaging and controlling the narrative on things, especially when it comes to short, easy to understand explanations for why whatever they're pushing is good. A lot of their ideas seem decent if you just look at them briefly and don't dig much further than soundbite summaries but they can be pretty nefarious.

It's scary stuff sometimes.
01-25-2017 , 03:51 PM
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Originally Posted by otatop
Imagine if he managed to find a guy who was registered in a state he didn't even live in, and just what Trump would have done to that guy...
Andy Badaloto is a friend of a friend of mine...we both were in our mutual friend's wedding party. He's a friend on Facebook and often trolls my leftish posts.

I have no ide what's going up n any more, but it would be epic and hilarious if the first arrest of voter fraud is Steve Bannon.
01-25-2017 , 03:52 PM
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Originally Posted by suzzer99
That otherwise intelligent conservatives who more or less try to argue in good faith (IE - not 33) still refuse to accept the motivations and effects of voter ID laws - no matter how much blatant evidence is presented to them - has caused me to lose all hope anyone can ever be reasoned in the age of identity politics.
Some people don't have the intelligence to tell that they are unintelligent.

I used to be a proponent of voter ID laws myself until I saw how obvious it was that it was disenfranchising specific demographics and tilting elections towards the GOP. I like the idea of mailing an ID to everybody on their 18th birthday.

      
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