I've never paid much attention to any president's travels, do you have any citations for this? Someone brought it up earlier, but how in the hell does it cost that much to protect the president? What's the breakdown?

This is a very good article and illuminates things mostly out of my experience as I've only ever seen anything 4chan after it got to 2p2. I've never once been on the site. Also, I have only experienced gamers on 2p2. But, it should be noted that this category of Trumpkin is a small subset. Clinton beat Trump by 18 points for 18-29 year olds and lost by 8 points for 65 and older.

An interesting question imo is whether or not any of the similar feelings of dislocation affected old Trumpkins who have no exposure to the Pepe the Frog culture. I'm sure it does to some degree, but how does it compare to just authoritarian personalities, the number of people who always thought politicians were all FOS, and the timeless susceptibility of a lot of people to a charlatan? And misanthropic young men are not a new thing. William F. Buckley Jr., Young Republicans throughout history, Barry Goldwater and Alex P. Keaton have been around to speak to them in the past.

Have you worked out that George Orwell was a socialist yet? Because I can help you with that, seeing you're so sorrily underinformed.

George Orwell, 'Why I Write', 1947

For whom? For Americans, Christians are magnitudes more dangerous.

Thing is, it's fine to troll Trump slappies or even weak "we needed change" supporters with Russia stuff, but the real issue is that Trump is a clueless buffoon with bad instincts and no understanding of government, policy, law, history, science, economics, or anything else really. He's just a fast talking con man who knows nothing fueled by cultural grievances and a healthy dollop of racism (not "I hate black [mexican/brown] people" racism, but the more common "I believe many negative things about black [mexican/brown] people because I'm stupid" variety), but that's more or less calibrated to his base, who also tend to be clueless about the above topics. There is also a not insignificant segment who like Trump because he's basically outsourced his foreign and domestic policy shop to the worst version of conservativism.

In (limited) defense of those who criticize Harris for focusing too much on Islam, fact is that white evangelicals are basically entirely responsible for Trump and the modern terrible incarnation of the GOP. White evangelicals are a cancer on society, and they need to be mercilessly ridiculed and stomped out of any position of authority or responsibility in American life. Their worldview is false and distructive and anathema to any version of a successful modern democratic society. While it's easy to focus on high profile idiots like Peter Theil and various other stripes of deplorable, it's the white evangelicals who have real power at the ballot box and who are the real problem.

re campfirewest and Orwell

And his feelings were pretty clear in Down and Out in Paris and London, published in 1933. It wasn't mostly political, but it was somewhat and he did humbly offer social prescriptions and his sympathies were quite clear.

What's interesting is that campfirewest isn't making this up on his own. The popular impression in the US is that Orwell was more or less a US style libertarian who was specifically attacking socialism in 1984. I just asked my daughter who is in 12th grade now and read it for school in 10th grade and she said that no one brought up fascism and everyone, the teacher included, just talked about how it was about socialism and how Orwell was afraid that it was a looming threat.

The conversation was obviously global in nature.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...-a7347136.html

This is what the GOP is hoping, but Trump has given no indication that he can help formulate or push any coherent agenda, foreign or domestic, with all the tradeoffs that involves in the real world. He wants to tell everyone that they'll get ponies, rainbows, rocketships, and cupcakes, but he appears not to appreciate the tradeoffs associated with actual policy, in part because he's too simple and ill-informed to understand interdependencies and tradeoffs.

Trying to translate high-level abstractions into actual policy (as seen with the the muslim ban) is a difficult enterprise that will inevitably alienate many people. Anyone can promise anything, and many will hope and believe and support, but delivering is whole other matter. Just like it's much easier to do 50 nonbinding votes to "repeal and replace" the ACA than to actually repeal and replace the ACA without harming millions of people (not to mention hospitals, insurance companies, and state budgets).

"Pro-life" is immune to logic. Most people who are against abortion also support the death penalty. The Venn diagram is almost a perfect singular circle.

It's basically because of the Cold War. The Stalinists were very down on Orwell because of his criticisms of the USSR, and the CIA funded the 1954 adaptation of Animal Farm. You can see where people might get confused.

The teacher talking about Orwell's fear of socialism is pretty ironic, though.

On another forum I'm being told trump just slipped up on Sweden and we should not make such a big deal out of it.

I normally wouldn't but it just goes in the basket of one thousand dumb things trump says and does.

you guys see this yet? Fox news makes the list tomorrow?

https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/d...161200401.html

this exchange is surreal to me

"You don't get to tell us what to do, Reince. You don't get to tell us what to do any more than Barack Obama did. Barack Obama whined about Fox News all the time, but I've got to say, he never said we were an enemy of the people," Wallace replied.

After Priebus said he was "surprised" Wallace would forget "all the shots" that Obama took at Fox News, the anchor interjected.

"He took the shots, and we didn't like them, and frankly, we don't like this either. But he never went as far as President Trump has. And that's what's concerning. Because it seems like he crosses a line when he says that we're the enemy of the people," Wallace said.

"I think you should be concerned about mainstream news outlets that are acting like Washington daily gossip magazines," Priebus replied.

Nice.

Also, lol Rand Paul.

"Hey Rand what do you think of Trump calling the free press an enemy of America?"

"As a freedom-loving libertarian, I'm not concerned and defer to the wisdom of the leader. But did you know McCain is a warhawk? Cant trust anything he says imo."

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proud of shep smith and chris wallace. good for them for having a spine

Rush Limbough also on Chris Wallace. Makes some fair observations. Skip to 18:26

How can you not even spell 'Limbaugh'? Also, how can you expect us to sit through an entire 1hr youtube clip? Find something more concise.

Trump hasn't tweeted in 24 hours did he die?

yep its perfect.
give the give guy some slack you all nitpickers!

At least sweden officials are asking about it so its not like a bunch of randoms on forums that are nitpicking,or fake news nitpicking.

and then the classic defense is ok he slipped once.
well if it was once it would still be laughable slip from someone who has such a high function as potus and is supposed to be (if not perfect) competent/and or at least well advised,but its not once its not twice its literally dozen of small/big/major errors/lies.
it adds up in the end.

hope hes scared ****less, because hes certainly guilty in some way

http://www.cnn.com/2017/02/19/politi...als/index.html

Washington (CNN)The Senate Intelligence Committee is asking more than a dozen agencies, organizations and individuals to preserve communications related to the panel's investigation into Russian interference in the 2016 election.

The panel, led by chairman Richard Burr, R-North Carolina, and top Democrat, Mark Warner of Virginia, sent letters asking for those materials to be kept, a Senate aide said Sunday.

Man i listened because i didn't realise it was kyp posting this and saying rush makes some fair observations. Unsurprisingly, most of what rush says is nonsense. You could argue some of the stuff he said like ~"a lot of trump supports genuinely felt like the country would be over if hillary won" is an accurate observation of trump supporters though.

that is really scary rhetoric. its very similar to the anti-semitic scapegoating in europe years ago.

and wtf are these safe zones? as far as I understand, the govt of asad wants to kill ppl, and isis wants to kill ppl. so we are gonna build a safe zone from those 2 groups? doesnt really seem feasible.

but ISIS is gonna pay for it

Create it and they'll stop trying to kill each other!

ya that was a truly amazing quote