Middle East.

But you need to compare Christianity and Buddhism, too. You seem like you're jumping between theory and practice as it suits your argument, to be honest. And it's not like it even suits your argument all that well.

Middle East. I'm trying to keep things brief because the Thread Police are breathing down my neck.

And I said it before the election and I'll say it now: the economic outlook for the U.S. is actually a mixed bag. Yes, we are at near full-employment which is excellent, but wage stagnation continues to pile up over the last 40 years and it is getting to a real critical mass of income inequality. Combine that with the fact that unions are at an all-time low and the federal minimum wage is dreadfully low, and you have a situation where plenty of people can find work, but they can't make a living. And when people have to drive Uber, Lyft, and then take on a fourth "gig" selling plasma every week just to make their mortgage payments, that 5% unemployment figure isn't too compelling.

The most feminist government in the world is majority Muslim.

It happened in Sweden I think.

Pretty sure that Sally Yates account is fake. It's been going around.

This. It's a nice looking number, and it's accurate for what it measures, but I think it misses a lot of important realities wrt how things are going economically for a lot of people.

Why do you keep citing examples of other religions problems? I have stipulated several times, all religion is bad. I'm simply asserting they are not all equally bad. This assertion is not debatable.

i think the real question at this point is, will his private security force resist attempts to arrest him?

I agree, this was very disappointing.

Long opinion piece on 4chan->Anonymous->GamerGate->Pepe the Frog with some pretty interesting analysis.
https://medium.com/@DaleBeran/4chan-...8cb#.69mcy339i

What is it about Islam that makes it distinctly different from Christianity to justify having a neocon policy towards it as Harris proposes?

Christianity is the worst, historically and ideologically.

- Sam Harris

Historically yes, currently no.

I'm trying to get you to unpack exactly what you mean by 'a religion', and what you mean by its being bad. You've pointed to the tenets of Islam, so I point to the tenets of Christianity - specifically, to how cultures under Christianity aren't producing the same results, despite featuring similar tenets. This suggests a slip between the cup of the religious texts and the lip of the cultures they occupy. Theory versus practice, in other words.

You seem happy to agree that on paper, Christianity could produce equally objectionable results. You don't seem interested in considering whether that might mean that in practice, Islam could produce equally acceptable ones. Nor do you seem inclined to consider what the cause of those different results actually is. You seem to just keep bundling theory and practice into this one thing 'Religion' and noting that Islamic 'religions' are giving worse results. On balance, I don't think many ITF are apt to dispute that, so what's the point in endlessly going back to it? Particularly since it's not really addressing what I'm saying to you.

Stop using anon sources! -Priebus




Please believe me when I use anon sources. -Priebus




lol no. Trying to make it sound like an official IC statement when there has been no statement.

Sam Harris is mad that Chomsky wouldn't play along with his abstractions and hypothetical and was condescending about it in a series of emails. The problem, counter to the quote above, is that Chomsky kept using knowledge of the real world and Harris stuck with his invention of a world.

Chomsky would be a pretty tough sell as potus though because I think he literally believes that non-Americans are worth the same as Americans.

In the current climate the same would probably apply to any Western politician. Large portions of the electorate have turned very sour, giving up on hope and optimism in favour of staunch negativity and selfishness.

Of course Islam can be the practiced faith of a socially progressive society. There was a time the Islamic world was the front runner of scientific progress and in the 70s Iran was a socially forward county. Those are just two examples.

That is not the Islamic world of today.

OK? So what changed? Not something innate to the texts, right? So you can see how it's ambiguous to talk in this way about 'religions' being 'worse' than each other. It's not properly describing reality.

From studies I read, most experts think there are around 100k radicalized Muslims in the world. That's like .000065 percent of the Muslim population. It's a lot more than the vast majority that are peaceful.

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Wow, this is pretty hilarious.


Be careful, I went to this website and had a malware detection alert.

anyways, it is Trumps campaign site being hacked.

Agreed and I did stipulate earlier in this discussion that theology is meaningless and only practice counts.