Bobby Jindal flipped his **** when the Feds started requiring a higher standard on state driver's licenses to board airplanes and called it massive overreach. Lol at trumps paranoid base being cool with federal, thumbprinted IDs.

'federal' elections are really still state elections here run by the states with 50 different sets of policies.

if nothing else it would be supremely wasteful and duplicative for federal govt to take over and run federal elections separately from state and local elections.

you may have just meant same state and local elections we have now but with all voluntarily signing on to a single federal ID card. maybe sure, but its hard to get all the states to agree to something like that.

lol, that was with a black president. If Trump says it, it'll be no problem.

Try explaining how we vote in the US to a foreigner sometime. "so you walk in, don't show them any ID, just them your name and sign your name right next to the signature they have on file, and as long if it matches up more or less you get to vote???" They never believe you.

Asking someone to show an ID to prove they're a registered citizen when voting is racis

That would be communism. You can pick up your card at participating Hobby Lobby stores and Methodist Churches.

There's already a thread for voter ID debate and the issue has been beaten to death but yes, a federal ID mailed to every person on their 18th birthday would entirely solve the problem. As such Republicans will never go for it since their goal is to suppress votes.

If you flagrantly lie about how our voting system works, as you did here, they shouldn't believe you.

Where are you guys voting that you don't get ID'd? I am a white male and have been asked for my driver's license or passport every single time I have voted.

To be fair, this is how it (Bullycider's description, that is) works in New York (although obviously you have to register beforehand).

I also get asked for ID every time in Chicago. Apparently they don't ask for minorities because election judges dey don't wanna be called racis

yeah that's it

I think we probably have a difference of opinion about how much voter supression matters in a given congressional district.

My take is that even without (more) voter suppression, there are enough safe red districts and enough vulnerable blue seats that actually regaining control of either house will be incredibly difficult. There simply aren't that many true "swing districts" and Trump's actions so far aren't the type of thing that would cause mass defections of Republican voters.

That doesn't mean that we shouldn't try to stop voter supression, obviously, but I guess I'm just skeptical that there is some huge base of people that (a) didn't vote or voted R last time (b) are sufficiently turned off by Trump / the GOP that they will show up to vote Dem in 2018 and (c) are geographically distributed in a way that tips the balance of power in the legislature.

In Germany we have federalized elections in the sense that the federal government (for local and State elections it's the State government) determines unified rules for elections and the municipalities are responsible for executing those rules.

That' not very complicated.

You don't even really need ID. You can also vote if the volunteer workers personally know you or by showing them your individual notification You get sent a few weeks before the election.

And what about those who can't get to a dmv office or have no ability to waste a day there?

Every poor disenfranchised voter works 18 hours a day 7 days a week and can't get to the DMV

Yea, you are probably right. I just think that given 2-4 years, the Trump Admin will do enough to piss off all but the reddest parts of the US. Look at how fast W popularity cratered once people started losing 401 (k) plans and the economy tanked. If something happens and the market crashes to 2008 levels, people will hopefully see that voting Trump was a mistake.

Even one is too many in my book. How many people are you comfortable with disenfranchising?

Everyone who advocates voter ID is an idiot though.

It must be nice to have a DMV office so close.

You do know in parts of the US, some DMV offices are a 6-8 hour drive away. Right? You know this? So it's not just losing one day work. It's losing 2 days of work, plus gas, food, hotel, etc. AND that's assuming there's no gotcha thing once you get to the front of the line where you show 6 forms of ID but it's not enough because there's a coffee stain on one corner of your electric bill and you need to go back home and start all over.

Have not evar been IDd in GE in the UK.

Shots fired. Incoming Trump meltdown.

The photoshops will be fun too. "Free Melania" and stuff

I live in CA. I had to give my name and address to match with the voter roll document the girl had. Never asked for ID. Signed and off to the machine. The voter ID bull**** is infuriating to me, especially when it is so easy to register and vote and so difficult for fraud to really occur. If someone was really going to commit voter fraud they'd have to "register" and then keep reappearing to vote with multiple names and addresses to keep track of. How many times is someone REALLY going to do that to make a difference in the vote? Even if it's hundreds of people doing it 5-10 times, that's a few thousand votes out of tens of millions. And I guess 3 million illegals somehow all know how to game the system wherever they live? And risk getting caught? Sure Donald. **** OFF.

Me too. It's open to massive election fraud, no question.

A friend of mine told me he voted three times (using the ballot cards Labour voters who couldn't be bothered to turn out) in a 1980's GE.