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02-18-2017 , 09:00 AM
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Originally Posted by MrWookie
Where can I place a bet the Trump purjures himself and then the House shrugs their shoulders?
Do President's testify to Congress? I think they are shielded by executive privilege unless there is an impeachment trial.
02-18-2017 , 09:09 AM
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Originally Posted by batair
Another thing that can be done is for organizers to announce and work with the police to hand over any violent protesters.

They hurt the cause bigly and just about all the trump people i know are blinded by them even in the face of the largest peaceful protest in our history.

This is completely true, and also nearly impossible to convince protest organizers to do. I was very frustrated with the G20 protest organizers in Toronto years ago with how they ignored the "Black Bloc" (basically people who did not care about the issues and were there to break windows of coffee shops during protests). All that happened was that the news was about the damage the Black Bloc did, and the legitimate protests, and the issues they were about, were never mentioned.
02-18-2017 , 09:18 AM
Wouldn't be surprised to see the Trump admin send out gangs to riot and loot during anti-Trump protests as a way to delegitimize the effort.
02-18-2017 , 09:27 AM
ITT we are discussing how to entrap the President into committing perjury. It won't work because it will be obvious that it was entrapment. You just got to let him break the law on his own terms.
02-18-2017 , 10:09 AM
Trump is the biggest fraud job in the history of politics he is clearly not fit for the job and after 4 weeks it looks like he is becoming slightly paranoid and unhinged. IDGAF who has to take his place but this guy has to go! End this embarrassment now before he does some real damage.
02-18-2017 , 10:13 AM
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Perhaps the most important front in this new conflict has been unfolding in the West Wing. Over the course of the past three months, according to senior Trump Administration officials and others who have participated, quiet but consequential talks have taken place there over whether the U.S. should resist Putin in his new campaign or cede to Russia a sphere of influence in Eastern Europe. In return for the latter, the theory goes, Russia would join the U.S. in an alliance against ISIS, work to reduce nuclear-weapon stockpiles and help constrain China.
http://time.com/4672985/moscow-russia-us-politics/
02-18-2017 , 10:18 AM
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Originally Posted by amoeba
What does a rally with opposition achieve? I am sure you have trump supporting family members. If they knew you went to protest the rally, do you think it sways their support at all? What is watching some random people on the tv filtered through the lense of right wing media going to do?
It's going to reinforce the fact that tens of millions of people strongly disapprove of Trump's presidency, and most importantly, that they are willing to DO SOMETHING about it. People in the streets gets politicians' attention. Jamming Congressional phone lines gets their attention. Packing town hall meetings gets their attention. Quietly sitting at home and fretting gets ignored. Democracy is not a spectator sport.

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You want to hit Trump where it hurts, you get a credible dem to announce their candidacy, hold a rally somewhere else on the same day, get more people to show up, and draw the media away. You get Trump to go off on how he had the bigger crowd and attack the other candidate and you start sowing the seeds of doubt in reluctant Trump supporters.
This is you proposing that other people do something, and you're not even proposing it to the people who might go out and do it. What are you doing personally? Protests don't happen spontaneously. There are working groups and meetings in advance. Have you gone to any of them to advocate for your preferred method of protest?

If protests aren't your thing, have you been contacting your elected officials? You have a phone right next to you, or possibly in your hand right now. You don't even need to get off your ass to take action. Contact info is in the sticky at the top of this very forum. There are also dozens of civil rights groups and legal organizations fighting the Trump administration and GOP Congress who need financial support. Evey donation helps.

I don't know if you are doing any of these things, so maybe this post doesn't apply to you, but I think it applies to a lot of people. There are still far too many people positively outraged by Trump who are sitting around waiting for somebody else to fix it, criticizing actions from the sidelines. Don't just tell me what you think I should or shouldn't do, show me what you are doing instead.
02-18-2017 , 10:23 AM
Well I guess things have not improved over the past couple of weeks while I've been avoiding the news.
02-18-2017 , 10:23 AM
I made the mistake of reading the comments on one of Trumps Facebook posts today. Holy sh*t. If he actually started rounding people up and putting them in concentration camps these people would support him. They're so blindly ignorant. It's infuriating.
02-18-2017 , 10:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Riverman
I still read actual newspapers.

Seriously though, the WaPo and NYT are basically all we have left in terms of legitimate free press that holds politicians accountable. Pay them.
yup so much this. I just subbed (electronically) for both basically just to support this
02-18-2017 , 10:28 AM
You think God is looking down on us then looking back at his cabinet like "Are you sure I said I wouldn't flood the earth again?"

Here's another thought. Trump says the news is fake, these newspapers are failing, these shows have low ratings. Okay let's assume this is all fact. Then why the **** do you care? If no one is watching, if the company is failing then why are you constantly spending time talking about them? I wish someone would ask something along those lines. Trump sees himself as the New England Patriots and describes some of the press as if they are the Cleveland Browns. Cake eater is simply wasting time.
02-18-2017 , 10:41 AM
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Originally Posted by FlyWf
Vox has the memo that Spicer said didn't exist:

https://cdn2.vox-cdn.com/uploads/cho...ement....0.pdf
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I've been assured that the oath keepers simply won't stand for this!
02-18-2017 , 11:25 AM
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Originally Posted by SeeTheMirage
Voted for Trump exactly because he is so inept. We currently live in a world that is unbelievably unfair, discriminatory, and corrupt

We really need to bring it all to the ground and start over, as it stands we're in too deep without a drastic change. Any of the other primary candidates would have put a band-aid on the bleeding artery of the current world yet through his own ineptitude, Trump was ironically the best option because he offers the quickest path to starting over which is inevitable

Maybe the next thousand years will really suck but as poker players we should be happy to understand that what happens today is a small price to pay for the long term, we shouldn't be playing just to win today's hand, maybe we were just unlucky to be alive in 2017 but can make a difference in the long-term

Maybe 99% of us won't live a full life thanks to Trump but as long as some of us survive, we should be absolutely thrilled if history books in 3017 thank of us for finally moving past this "my side vs your side" attitude and realizing we're all just human and should be treated with equality which neither party in 2017 truly wants

poster here is upset about the 99% / 1% fix going on with the USA

votes for a billionaire who is going to make the 1% richer


cant make this stuff up
02-18-2017 , 11:38 AM
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Originally Posted by LostOstrich
Surely a counter rally, miles away from Drumpf's so as to avoid any potential for either inflating the appearance of his crowd size or enabling the TROUBLEMAKERS narrative, would be the most effective form of protest. Let him have his little rally, and get a bigger crowd together elsewhere.
A million times this. If you could organize a protest that got a bigger crowd that Trumps it would (1) split the media attention - which is Trump's goal for this rally and (2) likely set him off again about crowd sizes, etc. Make the narrative about the protest to Trump, not the Trump rally
02-18-2017 , 11:54 AM
Zikzak, you asked the question about what should be done about his rally and I along with many others answered.

I think any protest that brings additional visibility to his rally is a bad thing. I also think that any protest at the site of the rally will be seen as a protest against the office of the presidency with a mixed and muddled message. If you have a protest elsewhere, you divert attention away from the rally and do the one thing that actually hurts Trump which is reduce his coverage. Please dont play in to his hands by protesting his rally at the site.

People are forgetting that we live in a country in which we have had multiple school shootings and we can't even pass legislation on forbidding people on the no fly list from purchasing guns. We've had much more directed protests against more universally disliked entities (occupy wall street) that ultimately amounted to nothing.

If your goal is the remove this president from power then your best shot is to erode his base of support and make him unpopular and so far from the primary onwards, protests at his rallies have had the opposite effect.
02-18-2017 , 12:04 PM
All this talk of using the National Guard to round up immigrants this war against the media and how protesters should protest the rally because it could potentially go very bad, making me feel like we are the on the brink of a civil war. It's really unsettling.
02-18-2017 , 12:09 PM
To reiterate, the only thing that Trump supporters and anti Trump advocates agree on is that Trump should govern more and tweet less. The most effective campaign against him since the election that involved ordinary people has been the inauguration size debacle.

He has a tragic weakpoint and that is his massive ego that forces him to talk about ratings even when facing questions about national security.

If you treat Trump as a flavor of the month and rally behind someone else, he will go nuts. What is more is you present a viable alternative to moderates.
02-18-2017 , 12:12 PM
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Originally Posted by amoeba
Zikzak, you asked the question about what should be done about his rally and I along with many others answered.

I think any protest that brings additional visibility to his rally is a bad thing. I also think that any protest at the site of the rally will be seen as a protest against the office of the presidency with a mixed and muddled message. If you have a protest elsewhere, you divert attention away from the rally and do the one thing that actually hurts Trump which is reduce his coverage. Please dont play in to his hands by protesting his rally at the site.

People are forgetting that we live in a country in which we have had multiple school shootings and we can't even pass legislation on forbidding people on the no fly list from purchasing guns. We've had much more directed protests against more universally disliked entities (occupy wall street) that ultimately amounted to nothing.

If your goal is the remove this president from power then your best shot is to erode his base of support and make him unpopular and so far from the primary onwards, protests at his rallies have had the opposite effect.
How to you propose the bold be accomplished? And I think I need a cite for your closing phrase. History tends to support the efficacy of protests and direct actions.

And what exactly are you expecting to happen at this rally? My prediction is a much larger crowd of protesters outside than attendees in, which is entirely peaceful. A few people will get inside and try to disrupt the event, but they will be quickly and uneventfully escorted out. The media coverage will be a mix of Trump's incoherent rambling and the protest.

Playing into Trump's hand is nonsense. The likelihood of Trump, his supporters or his security saying or doing something to make themselves look bad is at least as high as the protesters doing the same, probably higher. You're just afraid of confrontation. Maybe if we all hold candlelight vigils in our backyard Trump will stop deporting Dreamers?
02-18-2017 , 12:24 PM
Are you seriously asking me for a cite that protesting at his rallies dont work?

Trump supporters beat up a homeless man outside his rally back when he was just a reality tv star in a wide field of republicans, he called his supporters passionate and promised to pay their legal fees and he became president of the US.

The only way to hurt him is to remove his coverage. He and Milo are cut from the same cloth. Stop giving them the attention they seek.

As to the bolded, like what i said before, make him rant and rave about nonpresidential things like ratings and crowd sizes and appear more like a madman and less like a President.

As to the opposition rally somewhere else, it doesnt even have to be a Dem announcing presidential candidacy. Lets find a challenger to a congressional seat in 2018 and rally behind the Dem there and aim to have a bigger crowd than Trump's rally. Lets scare the bejeezus out of the GOP congress.

Last edited by amoeba; 02-18-2017 at 12:32 PM.
02-18-2017 , 12:26 PM
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Originally Posted by SeeTheMirage
Voted for Trump exactly because he is so inept. We currently live in a world that is unbelievably unfair, discriminatory, and corrupt

We really need to bring it all to the ground and start over, as it stands we're in too deep without a drastic change. Any of the other primary candidates would have put a band-aid on the bleeding artery of the current world yet through his own ineptitude, Trump was ironically the best option because he offers the quickest path to starting over which is inevitable

Maybe the next thousand years will really suck but as poker players we should be happy to understand that what happens today is a small price to pay for the long term, we shouldn't be playing just to win today's hand, maybe we were just unlucky to be alive in 2017 but can make a difference in the long-term

Maybe 99% of us won't live a full life thanks to Trump but as long as some of us survive, we should be absolutely thrilled if history books in 3017 thank of us for finally moving past this "my side vs your side" attitude and realizing we're all just human and should be treated with equality which neither party in 2017 truly wants
-EV short-term and long-term.

If you want an apocalyptic reset, the change starts with you.
02-18-2017 , 12:26 PM
He's the freaking POTUS. He's going to get coverage.
02-18-2017 , 12:29 PM
Munich Security Conference is the story today. Pence's speech being quite a bit different than Trump's is the story today.

I'm sure MSM will give them the attention they deserve.

Last edited by wheatrich; 02-18-2017 at 12:34 PM.
02-18-2017 , 12:29 PM
Trump wants his alternate reality bubble to expand to the economy. He's planning on releasing an economic forecast with made up numbers:

Trump Team’s Growth Forecasts Far Rosier Than Those of CBO, Private Economists

Courtesy of those liberal fake news people of the Wall Street Journal.
02-18-2017 , 12:31 PM
I am still VERY MUCH for ejecting the orange and think it would be a mistake to keep him in, if given the option, in hopes of somehow blocking Pence/Ryan/GOP/whomever.


Also, I'm in the resist/fight/protest him at every possible opportunity camp.
02-18-2017 , 12:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Kirbynator
chaffetz might be the most hateable guy in washington right now

at least with trump nobody is surprised by how low he goes...
He really is disgusting. The lowest of the low. And thats truly saying something considering his contemporaries.

      
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