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The Presidency of Donald J. Trump: No smocking guns. The Presidency of Donald J. Trump: No smocking guns.

01-25-2017 , 12:31 PM
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Originally Posted by bobman0330
Only for people who were delusionally optimistic. What are you surprised by?
  • Adversarial relationship with media: standard
  • Crackdown on immigration: key issue
  • Building a border wall: Key issue
  • Repeal Obamacare: Key issue
  • Wild and insane allegations of voter fraud: This is something he does regularly. He once claimed Obama wasn't qualified to be president because he was secretly not American-born!
  • Women are unhappy to be around him: He was caught on tape bragging about habitually groping them, so...
  • Compromised by ties with Russia: Widely reported before the election
  • No action on climate change: Completely unsurprising

The only thing that's mildly surprising is the disjointedness of the team, the slowness of the transition, and the massive insider leaks, but those are far from being all bad.
Immediately shutting down all EPA and USDA research (academic researchers who had already been awarded grants from these agencies are now likely to not receive another cent), and censoring communications from any government agency except for the Ministry of Truth are both surprising and terrifying. We are one step away from considerable amounts of government-maintained information being equivalent to Kim Jong-Il's golf scores. I guess I had feared the complete shuttering of these agencies eventually, but I didn't realize the data would be gone so quickly. I figured next Friday's (at least next Friday's) jobs numbers would be the same, but Trump would take credit for already creating 150k jobs and getting unemployment down to 5%. Now, we may be dependent on leaks for even National Weather Service data.
01-25-2017 , 12:31 PM
I would die a happy man if I could slap Kayleigh Mcenany. Her and Jeffrey Lord consistently say the dumbest **** on TV.
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Kayleigh, he is saying that fraud occurred on the most massive scale of an election in our history,” Bernstein said as he cut her off. “It’s not true, it’s false.

Well, you say it’s false but there is no way to disprove it, McEnany shot back.
https://www.rawstory.com/2017/01/no-...s-voter-fraud/
01-25-2017 , 12:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Autocratic
I feel like for most liberals, Trump doing what he said he'd do is close to worst case.
I don't want to come off like a jerk, but do you really believe this? This ought to be the base case. War with Taiwan over the status of Taiwan or the Spratlys is worse. A global economic downturn precipitated by the unraveling of cross-border supply chains would be bad. Moving beyond bluster into actual persecution of media and political opponents would be extremely bad. Some degree of voter suppression is baked into the cake, but that could get extremely ugly. There's plenty of room at the bottom.

Again, I don't want to jump on you for an off-hand comment, but it bothers me to see people not appreciating how bad things are and how much worse they could be. We've known since November that an immigration crackdown was coming, that TPP was dead, that Obamacare was on thin ice. That's all bad, but it's reality and is not going to be stopped. (Even a Trump impeachment would not change any of those things.) It's great to hit Trump for doing bad things, but people acting surprised or disappointed by any of it seems off to me.
01-25-2017 , 12:37 PM
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Originally Posted by wheatrich
Somehow every fraudulent vote they find will be democrat.
yes, the majority of the fraudulent votes found by the investigation will have been for the Democratic candidate.
01-25-2017 , 12:48 PM

Last edited by ScreaminAsian; 01-25-2017 at 12:58 PM.
01-25-2017 , 12:55 PM
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Originally Posted by fatkid
I would die a happy man if I could slap Kayleigh Mcenany. Her and Jeffrey Lord consistently say the dumbest **** on TV.


https://www.rawstory.com/2017/01/no-...s-voter-fraud/
Aww yes the "you can't disprove a negative." Pretty soon we'll be moving to the ontological argument of voter fraud.
01-25-2017 , 12:57 PM
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Originally Posted by bobman0330
I don't want to come off like a jerk, but do you really believe this? This ought to be the base case. War with Taiwan over the status of Taiwan or the Spratlys is worse. A global economic downturn precipitated by the unraveling of cross-border supply chains would be bad. Moving beyond bluster into actual persecution of media and political opponents would be extremely bad. Some degree of voter suppression is baked into the cake, but that could get extremely ugly. There's plenty of room at the bottom.

Again, I don't want to jump on you for an off-hand comment, but it bothers me to see people not appreciating how bad things are and how much worse they could be. We've known since November that an immigration crackdown was coming, that TPP was dead, that Obamacare was on thin ice. That's all bad, but it's reality and is not going to be stopped. (Even a Trump impeachment would not change any of those things.) It's great to hit Trump for doing bad things, but people acting surprised or disappointed by any of it seems off to me.
First, I'm not defending it, but I think the common wisdom in November was something along the lines of "Trump is so full of **** that it's too soon to panic about his worst policy proposals." This made some amount of sense, and seemed to be the right angle when he pretty quickly took a step back from certain line items.

Second, keep in mind that Trump talked about using nukes, starting wars (both trade and actual), martial law, etc. fairly flippantly during the campaign. It's not necessarily that "Trump doing what he said" is worst case scenario, but you're acting as if his only campaign statements were about Obamacare and deportation forces.
01-25-2017 , 12:58 PM
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Originally Posted by ScreaminAsian
there are four lights!
Trump video in that page has a lot of this gesture:

01-25-2017 , 12:59 PM
this message forum is hilarious. Bunch of neck beards agreeing with each other about how Trump sucks lol. He's fulfilling all of his campaign promises quickly. He's much better than a politician in that regard, especially a lifelong corrupt one that the Ds trotted out.

MAGA
01-25-2017 , 01:05 PM
01-25-2017 , 01:05 PM
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Originally Posted by catch thirtythree
this message forum is hilarious. Bunch of neck beards agreeing with each other about how Trump sucks lol. He's fulfilling all of his campaign promises quickly. He's much better than a politician in that regard, especially a lifelong corrupt one that the Ds trotted out.

MAGA
shall we check back in a year?

01-25-2017 , 01:06 PM
I figure they'll use whatever they find as proof of voter fraud (whether it is or isn't is irrelevant since they and probably the media will report it is) and force a reregister of voting database, which is probably time consuming and will add more hoops for those who don't vote republican than do and as soon as black people are in it, they'll reset and make them do it again. and again when needed.

This is jim crow level ****.
01-25-2017 , 01:10 PM
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Originally Posted by RV Life
Yea doesn't everything w/ voter suppression need to be done within 2 years? The GOP has to know a ****load of voters will be coming out in force.

You're assuming that the things he's doing are unpopular in the specific areas that would need to flip from red to blue. News flash: they aren't.
01-25-2017 , 01:12 PM
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Originally Posted by m_reed05
The deck is so stacked in 2018, the GOP stranglehold will most likely survive regardless. They have 4 years to crush opposition.
There's a good possibility they end up with +60 in the Senate and majority in house in two years. The map is not favorable for dems.
01-25-2017 , 01:17 PM
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Originally Posted by catch thirtythree
this message forum is hilarious. Bunch of neck beards agreeing with each other about how Trump sucks lol. He's fulfilling all of his campaign promises quickly. He's much better than a politician in that regard, especially a lifelong corrupt one that the Ds trotted out.

MAGA
Who is your Internet provider?

How's it going to feel when your prices for that far outweigh the money you are being promised you'll be saved with Trumpcare?
01-25-2017 , 01:18 PM
how bout we just federalize the federal elections, everybody gets an id card with your name, address, photo, thumbprint and polling location.



just like they do in Mexico.
01-25-2017 , 01:19 PM
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While nearly two centuries have passed since Andrew Jackson’s time, he pioneered almost every recognizable feature of contemporary Republican politics. Jackson built a following by denouncing elites. But he did not mean economic elites, exactly. He meant Easterners, urbanites, and experts, including the ones who argued a national bank was necessary to avoid a financial crisis. (They were right and Jackson was wrong. Jackson’s destruction of the bank caused a serious recession.) Jackson did not oppose bankers, per se — he drew support of regional banks that felt threatened by the national bank. Jackson had no program of taxing or regulating the rich. His economic populism was directed entirely against the state. “The rich and powerful too often bend the acts of government to their selfish purposes,” he wrote.
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Jackson’s resemblance to Trump runs even deeper than Trump or Steve Bannon may realize. Jackson, like Trump, throbbed with resentment at his enemies, a feeling that was channeled into extraordinary personal entitlement. (As Steve Inskeep discovers in Jacksonland, Jackson used his office to enrich himself by speculating in lands whose value he knew would increase as a result of his conquests.) Jackson opposed South Carolinian secession for the same reason he dismissed a hostile Supreme Court ruling — not out of any larger principle, but out of a domineering instinct that made him lash out instinctively at any threat to his authority. That style endeared him to the part of the country that forms the base of the GOP today. Jackson fused the white working class in the South and Appalachia with the interests of the planter elite, expressing their shared interests not through activist government but through militaristic plunder.
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Meanwhile, as the Republican Party has grown more uniformly conservative, it has naturally grown more Jacksonian in its style. The cultural populism, anti-intellectualism, paranoia, and crude nationalism of such figures as Joe McCarthy, George Wallace, and Sarah Palin presaged the buffoonish ravings of the current president. Far from being at odds with the agenda of a party allied with entrenched wealth, that populist style is the best way to lend that agenda mass appeal. We should stop seeing Trumpism as a challenge to the GOP and instead understand it as the party’s natural historical evolution.
http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer...id=full-rss-di
01-25-2017 , 01:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Bullycider
how bout we just federalize the federal elections, everybody gets an id card with your name, address, photo, thumbprint and polling location.



just like they do in Mexico.
Sounds awesome. I'm totally on board. Are we going to cut the military budget a bit to cover the cost? Cards will be mailed to every person of voting age, right?
01-25-2017 , 01:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Bigoldnit
You're assuming that the things he's doing are unpopular in the specific areas that would need to flip from red to blue. News flash: they aren't.
But that's not where voter suppression is needed. Bumblefvck County, AL is voting red no matter what happens. I'm talking in swing state areas. That's where the voter suppression is needed to keep those areas red.
01-25-2017 , 01:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Bullycider
how bout we just federalize the federal elections, everybody gets an id card with your name, address, photo, thumbprint and polling location.



just like they do in Mexico.
they were with you until you said mexico
01-25-2017 , 01:24 PM
Taxpayer money for ids for poors? That will go over well with that same crowd.
01-25-2017 , 01:24 PM
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Originally Posted by RV Life
Step 1. Hiring Freeze.
Step 2. Build That Wall!

Sounds about right.
Contractors and prison work details, ldo.
01-25-2017 , 01:24 PM
In Mexico they have IFE offices you go there and get it made much like the dmv.

http://ubicatumodulo.appspot.com/
01-25-2017 , 01:26 PM
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Originally Posted by prana
Taxpayer money for ids for poors? That will go over well with that same crowd.
if they are under the assumption that the Democrats are picking up millions of fraudulent votes every presidential election I think they will go for it.
01-25-2017 , 01:26 PM
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Originally Posted by stinkubus
Contractors and prison work details, ldo.
jeff sessions supported sheriffs using chain gangs when he was AG of alabama.

1. lock up illegal immigrants
2. put em to work building the wall
3. invade some defenseless country and steal their concrete and other necessary wall materials

      
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