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02-18-2017 , 01:32 AM
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Originally Posted by TheHip41
Ignore it.


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The media won't. Seems like a tactical mistake for the opposition to stand down.
02-18-2017 , 01:34 AM
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Originally Posted by weeeez
are you guys subscribed to online newspapers or you read news until free articles run out?
Im clicking on way too many articles and I find myself on blocked stuff too often (currently washington post),and Im not gonna sub one particular news site over another.
So people like end up stopping reading news or what?
Im curious how u guys do.
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02-18-2017 , 01:36 AM
The media should obviously also ignore it but they likely won't.

I am not sure how they will filter for whether the attendees are Trump supporters but it would be nice if a bunch of anti trump guys showed up disguised in MAGA hats, gets admitted, then take hats off and just leave 1/4 of the way in.
02-18-2017 , 01:37 AM
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Originally Posted by zikzak
What do you think is the appropriate response to Trump's FL rally?
Protesting at the rally can blow up in the left's face in a lot of ways... If there's any violence it will 100% be blamed on the left, no matter what. If Trumpers beat the snot out of a handful of protestors, they'll say the lefty extremists started it and there will be no way to disprove it - and even if there was, it'll only strengthen his support among his base.

If it doesn't turn violent, it makes his crowd look bigger unless they're all wearing the same color or something.

Even if it goes perfectly, the controversy/story draws attention away from the Russia stuff... and that's the best case scenario.

The appropriate response, IMO, is a protest along his route to the rally... Maybe try to block a road in, or something. Have plenty of signs related to the Russia stuff, and if interviewed, all protestors should be directed to include the Russia stuff in their comments. He'll undoubtedly discuss them at the rally and it'll derail him in his speaking into the stuff that even his supporters don't like ("These protestors are just the worst, I won, biggest win ever, a bazillion electoral votes, blah blah blah I'm the greatest.")

Infiltrating the rally itself to protest has a near-certainty of being counter-productive.
02-18-2017 , 01:38 AM
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Originally Posted by amoeba
The media should obviously also ignore it but they likely won't.

I am not sure how they will filter for whether the attendees are Trump supporters but it would be nice if a bunch of anti trump guys showed up disguised in MAGA hats, gets admitted, then take hats off and just leave 1/4 of the way in.
I like that, that has potential. It'd be better if they kept the MAGA hats on until they walked out. He'd potentially turn on his "supporters," if a big chunk of his crowd walked out on him.
02-18-2017 , 01:40 AM
It's really time for my idea of a package subscription to a bunch of newspapers. Apparently there's one for magazines: https://www.texture.com

Anyone know any contacts in the newspaper industry I could get in front of? I'd like to find out if this makes any financial sense from their POV. I have the infrastructure, skill and sili-valley contacts to build it in 3 months and maybe get funding. I really just need to talk to some newspapers.
02-18-2017 , 01:40 AM
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Originally Posted by zikzak
The media won't. Seems like a tactical mistake for the opposition to stand down.
A good chunk of trump supporters right now support open firing on protestors much less if protestors did anything more than break some glass and pepper spray someone. Then they're all going to.
02-18-2017 , 01:41 AM
Right. I thought of that. Also I suggested leaving a while in to the rally instead of right at the beginning just to avoid confrontation with any supportive stragglers who couldn't make it inside.

Of course this is contingent on the protesters being a sizable % of the people admitted inside and might be a pipe dream.
02-18-2017 , 01:42 AM
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Originally Posted by PocketChads
If you wanna show me a couple I'll consider it when I'm sober again.
Here's what I've got:

1.Trump says he will prosecute:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m87AoA801uw

2.At rally in response to chants to lock her up, he says "That plays great before the election. Now we don't care right".

Start watching at 14:30
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g4WPqWgFTbY


3. If there's doubt, here's Conway saying he won't prosecute:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KmVO3ko-iU8

I guess the only thing he could cling to here is that you can't really hear the chants very well in the second video he is responding to.

At the very least we've got the promise on video, so you can troll him every few months on where the special prosecutor is if he doesn't believe that Trump actually walked it back.
02-18-2017 , 01:43 AM
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Originally Posted by wheatrich
A good chunk of trump supporters right now support open firing on protestors much less if protestors did anything more than break some glass and pepper spray someone. Then they're all going to.
When the heck were protesters pepper spraying people?

And you didn't answer the question.
02-18-2017 , 01:43 AM
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Originally Posted by suzzer99
It's really time for my idea of a package subscription to a bunch of newspapers. Apparently there's one for magazines: https://www.texture.com

Anyone know any contacts in the newspaper industry I could get in front of? I'd like to find out if this makes any financial sense from their POV. I have the infrastructure, skill and sili-valley contacts to build it in 3 months and maybe get funding. I really just need to talk to some newspapers.
No offense but newspapers are dead.
02-18-2017 , 01:47 AM
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Originally Posted by zikzak
When the heck were protesters pepper spraying people?

And you didn't answer the question.
There was one on video that made the right wing rounds. one lib = all lib in their minds just like one trump supporter=all with most people's mindsets.

I thought I implied I don't think it's worth any risk of violence and trump would love nothing more than any sort of violence at this rally. All of his rallies are win/win for him, either he gets adored or he gets to blame others.

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02-18-2017 , 01:49 AM
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Originally Posted by suzzer99
It's really time for my idea of a package subscription to a bunch of newspapers. Apparently there's one for magazines: https://www.texture.com

Anyone know any contacts in the newspaper industry I could get in front of? I'd like to find out if this makes any financial sense from their POV. I have the infrastructure, skill and sili-valley contacts to build it in 3 months and maybe get funding. I really just need to talk to some newspapers.
Not a bad idea.
02-18-2017 , 01:50 AM
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Originally Posted by amoeba
No offense but newspapers are dead.
Trump has certainly given them a blip upward. Now is the time to strike!

How much would you pay for an online subscription to the NYT, WSJ, WaPo, LA Times, The Economist and a bunch of other top newspapers/magazines? $10-20/month? Totally seamless, no hassle, you give your credit card to one source.

We could easily get some of the lower rent newspapers to give us better deals or even pay us - thus subsidizing the heavy hitters.

I think the key for the consumer would be an opt out/in to sharing your info. with all those publications. I'd fight hard for it to be opt in. But opt out, as long as it's very clear an not hidden, isn't a deal breaker. As long as the user can choose. Who wants to get spammed by 20+ publications?

But of course that info. is pure gold to the newspapers, which is why I suspect this kind of arrangement hasn't come up in the past. But also info. that I think is massively over-valued due to the Big Data craze, and drowning newspapers clinging to any possible miracle life raft. Big Data will save the industry! We just need to know which of our users like lobster and bowling, then we can target the **** out of that for massive $$$.

As a sweetener we could offer a deal where if you accept to give up your contact info - you still get the coupons from the papers in the mail. I know none of us care about coupons - but some people are obsessive and buy subscriptions purely for the coupons.

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02-18-2017 , 01:51 AM
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Originally Posted by wheatrich
There was one on video that made the right wing rounds. one lib = all lib in their minds just like one trump supporter=all with most people's mindsets.

I thought I implied I don't think it's worth any risk of violence and trump would love nothing more than any sort of violence at this rally.

Not that I have any control ofc--there's gonna be protestors showing up to this and some of them are going to be stupid. Hopefully they don't do anything stupid or get goaded into it.
You're helping fan the flames by keeping the focus on the 0.01% of protesters that break windows. You're doing the enemy's job for them. Cut that **** out.
02-18-2017 , 01:54 AM
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Originally Posted by zikzak
You're helping fan the flames by keeping the focus on the 0.01% of protesters that break windows. You're doing the enemy's job for them. Cut that **** out.
**** off.
02-18-2017 , 01:55 AM
Zikzak, I guess my point is what strategic goal are you hoping to achieve with a protest?

I am not anti protest but I don't see an upside to protest at the site of the rally.

Personally I think it's much more effective to protest and march elsewhere with a much bigger crowd where you can draw the media away from FL.
02-18-2017 , 01:58 AM
For those who have recently praised McCain for speaking out (including me) http://theconcourse.deadspin.com/i-d...mcc-1792493680
02-18-2017 , 02:04 AM
Like it's great when people talk the talk but in the end they need to walk the walk and McCain, etc. could and should be doing a lot more walking.
02-18-2017 , 02:04 AM
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Originally Posted by amoeba
Zikzak, I guess my point is what strategic goal are you hoping to achieve with a protest?

I am not anti protest but I don't see an upside to protest at the site of the rally.
A rally without a protest gets covered as a Trump rally. A rally with a protest gets covered as a rally with opposition. I think maintaining the ongoing narrative of strong opposition is important. I want to see a very public, very vocal, and very peaceful opposition to everything Trump, all the time, everywhere, in every circumstance. I believe that is essential to curbing Trump's disastrous presidency. We're not going to accomplish a god damn thing by sternly wagging our fingers from behind the safety of our keyboards.
02-18-2017 , 02:17 AM
You know things are insane when a day that included the POTUS saying the media is the enemy of the American people feels kind of uneventful.
02-18-2017 , 02:19 AM
It wasn't uneventful for me, because I realized some of my close family members will never turn against Trump.

Ever.
02-18-2017 , 02:19 AM
Insanity has become normalized.
02-18-2017 , 02:22 AM
What does a rally with opposition achieve? I am sure you have trump supporting family members. If they knew you went to protest the rally, do you think it sways their support at all? What is watching some random people on the tv filtered through the lense of right wing media going to do?

You want to hit Trump where it hurts, you get a credible dem to announce their candidacy, hold a rally somewhere else on the same day, get more people to show up, and draw the media away. You get Trump to go off on how he had the bigger crowd and attack the other candidate and you start sowing the seeds of doubt in reluctant Trump supporters.
02-18-2017 , 02:25 AM
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Originally Posted by PocketChads
It wasn't uneventful for me, because I realized some of my close family members will never turn against Trump.

Ever.
I am so sorry

      
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