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The Presidency of Donald J. Trump: No smocking guns. The Presidency of Donald J. Trump: No smocking guns.

02-18-2017 , 12:21 AM
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Originally Posted by fatkid
Yes but I feel it. I will be fine if someone ends up in jail.
Sure, but this is so rare. Look at the financial collapse. Next to no one went to jail for that. Trump and his extended reach of colleagues are nearly all con men or those working in some sort of shady fashion. They've been caught over and over. Trump himself has paid at least $40 million in fines I'm aware of. But, that hasn't been enough to even sully his reputation among Americans.
02-18-2017 , 12:24 AM
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Originally Posted by aoFrantic
Sure, but this is so rare. Look at the financial collapse. Next to no one went to jail for that. Trump and his extended reach of colleagues are nearly all con men or those working in some sort of shady fashion. They've been caught over and over. Trump himself has paid at least $40 million in fines I'm aware of. But, that hasn't been enough to even sully his reputation among Americans.
I realize it's a long shot but I got a dream. Treason one time dealer.
02-18-2017 , 12:24 AM
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Originally Posted by wheatrich
I don't for one and many rural america towns don't have any.
They most certainly do. Who do you think is working out in the fields? City folks? Or back of house in restaurants? Or housekeepers in hotels?
02-18-2017 , 12:26 AM
02-18-2017 , 12:28 AM
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Originally Posted by 5ive
r/TinyTrumps is the new ****. That Tump has tiny hands on the tiny arms.
02-18-2017 , 12:30 AM
Imprisoning Trump might not be the most strategic move. I would hate for him to become a martyr. As bad as Trump is, somebody else more devious can come along and rally the troops behind an imprisoned figurehead and that would be so much worse.

Lets focus on reducing influence and removing from power first.

Lets also think ahead to various scenarios.

For example, the voter fraud stuff is a pretty smart move. He is already pumping up the base for 2020 and possibly 2018. Meanwhile it wastes congress' time and diverts from investigations in to other improprieties.

Lets start thinking a few moves ahead.
02-18-2017 , 12:35 AM
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Originally Posted by locknopair
ever since i started following politics i've barely watched/read much of anything concerning john mccain. i disagree with him on nearly everything. however since trump was elected i find myself kind of rooting for him. i feel like he's no longer in politics solely for himself anymore, and is now just doing what he can to protect the country against what is happening.

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Originally Posted by aoFrantic
Well, you're completely wrong. McCain will say passive aggressive things about trump, while not actually naming him and not voting against him while trump calls him a coward on Twitter. It's pathetic.
You want him to get into a childish name calling war? Maybe he knows the quotes about arguing with an idiot/fool. He does tons of bipartisan bills and such including the anti Russia legislation that started with Bill Browder that Obama/Clinton wanted to stop for political reasons. He never seems to want to do any of the conservative social stuff that everyone else in his party does. Zakaria brought up an interesting point that when Ryan spoke out against Trump he instantly dropped 25% in the polls and he might accomplish more by being a current Senator than a former one. Finished with the line that you can't be a leader if you don't have any followers.
02-18-2017 , 12:39 AM
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Originally Posted by bigt2k4
You want him to get into a childish name calling war? Maybe he knows the quotes about arguing with an idiot/fool. He does tons of bipartisan bills and such including the anti Russia legislation that started with Bill Browder that Obama/Clinton wanted to stop for political reasons. He never seems to want to do any of the conservative social stuff that everyone else in his party does. Zakaria brought up an interesting point that when Ryan spoke out against Trump he instantly dropped 25% in the polls and he might accomplish more by being a current Senator than a former one. Finished with the line that you can't be a leader if you don't have any followers.
Uh, McCain is over 80. Dude has a zero percent chance of being in another election in his life. He has literally nothing to lose by sinking his popularity. He will be known as the guy who nominated Palin and supported Trump. What a ****ty thing to add to your legacy. Ryan, McCain and others aren't capable of a principled stand because they don't share our principles.
02-18-2017 , 12:40 AM
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Originally Posted by GhostofAZMtnHiker
That's a good start.
Yeah, eliminating 0.05% of the budget makes a big difference.
02-18-2017 , 12:41 AM
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Originally Posted by RV Life
They most certainly do. Who do you think is working out in the fields? City folks? Or back of house in restaurants? Or housekeepers in hotels?
I said small town, this means "city folk" doesn't apply nor does "hotels". Restaurants have mostly died around here as it's bars or fast food. Working out in the fields like you are saying is also not my area of the country.

We probably don't have the same mindset on what a "small town" is. Mine doesn't have a stoplight. Hope that helps a bit.
02-18-2017 , 12:44 AM
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Originally Posted by aoFrantic
Well, you're completely wrong. McCain will say passive aggressive things about trump, while not actually naming him and not voting against him while trump calls him a coward on Twitter. It's pathetic.
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Originally Posted by Namath12
Also his ****bag sons are traveling the globe doing BUSINESS DEALS with Secret Service protection
Heard an unsubstantiated rumour from someone who was a couple years after one of Trump's kids at Wharton that he date raped multiple girls there and they settled for like 5MM each.
02-18-2017 , 12:47 AM
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Originally Posted by locknopair
going after the media to the extent that he's calling them the enemy signifies to me that he wants to delegitimize as many news sources as possible (in the eyes of his supporters) to make it easier to discredit inimical future reporting.

one thing that always stuck with me was when he held a press conference maybe a month ago and mentioned tiny little cameras in hotel rooms that you couldn't see. what reason would anyone have (let alone the president) to ever publicly mention this?
There was no good reason, the guy's a moron. I thought it was a bizarre tell/admission about how he believes the Russians got him. As if to say this could happen to anyone in Russia?
02-18-2017 , 12:47 AM
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Originally Posted by fatkid
Lol PBS.
Sesame Street taught me that littering is bad. But if we all pitch in and help, we can pick it up in no time. Yay team!

WRONG!

Littering is good. If God didn't want us to throw our fast food wrappers out the window, he wouldn't have blessed us with God and Hardee's. Earth large, people small, roll coal.

All pitch in to help, equally? Next thing you're going to want equal pay for women - and we all know that causes downward spiral to hell.

Big Bird must be culled for the good of the herd. Snuffleupagus must be snuffed out. It is the only way. Cookie Monster will be spared to serve as mascot for the revamped USDA. Kermit and Miss Piggie will be sent to the new Mike Pence re-education centers for sexually wayward adults. Kermit, with the help of a cattle prod, will learn to mate with frogs of his own kind. Miss Piggy will ultimately fail and choose to give herself over to God, in the form of tasty bacon for the entire compound.

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02-18-2017 , 12:59 AM
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Originally Posted by amoeba
Imprisoning Trump might not be the most strategic move. I would hate for him to become a martyr. As bad as Trump is, somebody else more devious can come along and rally the troops behind an imprisoned figurehead and that would be so much worse.
Tell me this is a troll post please.
02-18-2017 , 01:04 AM
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Originally Posted by PocketChads
Had a talk with my dad

America is over

He has no problem with calling ABC, NBC and CBS the enemy

This guy spent his whole life being completely skeptical about the government, and thinking transparency and free press were the most sacred things in life
It's a natural progression after years of Fox News and Republicans labeling the entire non-Fox media the liberal elite lamestream media...

To them, it's not a big job from "they're on the Democrats team," to... "They're anti-American!"

It just takes someone like Trump to connect the dots.
02-18-2017 , 01:04 AM
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Originally Posted by PocketChads
If you wanna show me a couple I'll consider it when I'm sober again.

But I think you're really underestimating the paranoia that people are just OUT THERE TRYING TO CONVINCE YOU OF LIWS


I tell him public record quotes or otherwise undisputed events all the time like Perry not knowing what Dept of Energy does and he's ALWAYS just like, "we'll I haven't heard that. Are you sure? There's a lot of fake news out there and you gotta be careful."

Also, you're just never going to convince these people that being "successful" in business is possible if you are incompetent or even dishonest. THE PROOF IS IN THE SUCCESS, EGGHEAD
Unfortunately there are two causes for this disconnect. One is just flat out being dumb. The other is being ignorant. I think you see some mixture of both and hopefully he is just of the later because that gives hope.

When he says things like "Are you sure?" Or "I never heard of that" he is displaying his ignorance. Not to mention he is actually insulting you and if you can bring it up to him in a reasonable way that you are insulted he believes everything this random sources of his worldview over you, someone he knows personally and who tries to educate themselves.

It's okay to have people own their own ignorance and it's okay to let them know if they are offending you by not believing you over some stranger third party. It does not mean he has to agree with you and it doesn't mean you might not make a mistake but he should be willing to accept information you give him was provided in the best of faith and with every intent of being accurate.

He won't be able to get that motivation from any other source. I have a lot of Trump supporters as family and friends and people can absolutely be dismissive of anything that offends their buttressed worldview. So I don't attack it head on but I absolutely do subvert at every chance I can by pointing out absurdities and oddities in a way that doesn't get them to shutdown. Most people don't want to be preached at and honestly most Trump supporters are not worth the effort. However close family members might be worth the effort.

Sometimes I end up going sideways at an issue to undermine the foundation but make clear there is a problem. When talking to a relative who is bashing "Obamacare" and how expensive it has gotten. I talk to them about the real reasons why healthcare is so expensive and the things that need to be done to actually make healthcare more affordable regardless of the system on top of it.

With some of my family, though, there absolutely will be a point when I say see what you did.
02-18-2017 , 01:06 AM
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Originally Posted by GhostofAZMtnHiker
Wow, you made the leap from PBS to littering to equal pay for women. Can I play that game too?
Do you not think we should have a partially federally funded public broadcasting system?

I would actually like to see its funding increased significantly as it could be of real benefit in this day and age.
02-18-2017 , 01:08 AM
If Trump was sane him going at the media so hard would lead me to believe something big is coming.

It's scary to think what a competent Trump could accomplish.
02-18-2017 , 01:09 AM
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Originally Posted by GhostofAZMtnHiker
Wow, you made the leap from PBS to littering to equal pay for women. Can I play that game too?
Yes! It's the new game that's sweeping the nation.

02-18-2017 , 01:10 AM
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Originally Posted by amoeba
Imprisoning Trump might not be the most strategic move. I would hate for him to become a martyr. As bad as Trump is, somebody else more devious can come along and rally the troops behind an imprisoned figurehead and that would be so much worse.

Lets focus on reducing influence and removing from power first.

Lets also think ahead to various scenarios.

For example, the voter fraud stuff is a pretty smart move. He is already pumping up the base for 2020 and possibly 2018. Meanwhile it wastes congress' time and diverts from investigations in to other improprieties.

Lets start thinking a few moves ahead.


Alex Jones would most likely be the man for the job.
02-18-2017 , 01:12 AM
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Originally Posted by wheatrich
Tell me this is a troll post please.
I am pretty serious.

What do you find trollish about my post?
02-18-2017 , 01:18 AM
Wonder if the 3rd* account will be the charm for az
02-18-2017 , 01:21 AM
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Originally Posted by wheatrich
a bunch of idiots are gonna protest in florida aren't they at the rally, just makes it look like he has more supporters to his supporters.
What do you think is the appropriate response to Trump's FL rally?
02-18-2017 , 01:28 AM
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Originally Posted by zikzak
What do you think is the appropriate response to Trump's FL rally?


Ignore it.


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02-18-2017 , 01:30 AM
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