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The Presidency of Donald J. Trump: No smocking guns. The Presidency of Donald J. Trump: No smocking guns.

02-17-2017 , 09:14 PM
02-17-2017 , 09:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Yuv
I'm not quite sure what the answer is, but do you guys really think Trump is a Putin puppet or is blackmailed by Russia or w/e or just think it's the best chance of getting Trump out of the WH?

I personally view Trump as the biggest threat to mankind since Cuban missile crisis and think the end justify the means, but like Flynn and/or campaign calls to Russia aren't really in my top 100 fears of the great orange.

He's an unstable moron, not a russian spy.
Trump values business and personal wealth above all else. I think it's most likely that 1) he has bigly previous investments in Russia and 2) he is also currently being paid off with shiny things.

If he's being blackmailed it is probably just about his business connections and not some video of him in a gangbang with 13 year olds.
02-17-2017 , 09:17 PM
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Originally Posted by David Sklansky
Has there been any research as to the percent of Hispanics who have no friends or relatives who are undocumented, who voted for Trump? Might that be over 50%? If so, that completes the proof that most people vote almost exclusively according to their own personal interests (unless helping others is the most minor of sacrifices.)
Well we use the word Hispanic or Latinx but it represents a huge and diverse set of people, kind of like the word "Asian." They have different interests and viewpoints. Some are socially conservative, others are socially liberal. Some own their own business, some work for an hourly wage. Some of them have a lot of money while others are scraping by. For some people, their Latinx culture represents freedom from right-wing oppression, and in other cases it's freedom from left-wing oppression. Some Latinxs are for more immigration and global trade while others are against it.

I think Democrats do need to focus more on issues of class and economics in addition to identity politics and we can win an even broader set of voters than we do now. The truth is when you play out the numbers our tax and labor policies actually help >90% of people, while Republicans focus on helping the top 1% and the middle class ends up getting gutted.
02-17-2017 , 09:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Kirbynator
my trick is to spam refresh on the page then click on the X to cancel the full loading of the page, which stops the popups that block you from viewing everything.

Sometimes it takes a few tries..
awesome
im not alone ahah
02-17-2017 , 09:18 PM
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Originally Posted by bobman0330
Does it matter whether Robert Reich or someone pretending to be Robert Reich made that story up?
It's legit. I follow Reich on Facebook and he posted the same thing there. Don't know why his Twitter account doesn't have the checkmark.
02-17-2017 , 09:18 PM
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Originally Posted by David Sklansky
There was a time when there was a chance that Trump would do exactly that. Maybe it was a longshot but his comments about infrastructure, social security and medical care may have led him to the conclusion that he had to raise taxes on the rich. But the extreme negative stuff coming from the left has probably convinced him that they can't be won over even a little. Which means that to keep his power he can't do anything that will upset the right.
i think that ship has sailed. almost every cabinet nominee is individually most famous for wanting to abolish the department they're set to lead. his actual governance has been so far right wing he could go full libertarian, it's within his range
02-17-2017 , 09:18 PM
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Originally Posted by AllTheCheese
Completely contrary to polling on this issue. Exit polls showed HRC up bigly among the poorest. Every other income bracket had DJT and HRC roughly tied.
Was a one time poll. In this very thread his biggest supporters have High School educations. Those people are not high high income earners.
02-17-2017 , 09:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Yuv
I'm not quite sure what the answer is, but do you guys really think Trump is a Putin puppet or is blackmailed by Russia or w/e or just think it's the best chance of getting Trump out of the WH?
It's not only about the blackmail allegations or even his business ties to Russia. If it's concluded that team Trump actively coordinated with Russian intelligence agents to influence the election, it would be one of the biggest scandals in American history.

We're only one step away from that right now. If the reports from the last few days are true, then we already know there were multiple contacts between Trump advisors and Russian intelligence. So, what were they talking about exactly, if not election related things?

Last edited by JoltinJake; 02-17-2017 at 09:25 PM.
02-17-2017 , 09:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Clovis8
Was a one time poll. In this very thread his biggest supporters have High School educations. Those people are not high high income earners.
You do realize Republicans are wealthier than Democrats right? I'm just trying to make sure you understand this forum isn't really a representation of the country lol, a bunch of the diehard Trumpkins on here don't even live in the US.
02-17-2017 , 09:21 PM
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Originally Posted by RV Life
No, they really are not.

Liberals need to stop thinking it's only old racist people that were drawn to Trump.

It's a combination of a a lot things. But to pigeonhole Trump voters as LOL OLDZ is making a huge mistake.
Look at the polling published itt a few pages earlier. Of course they are not all old people. That is not how polling works. Some are really rich black people. More are old poor dudes though.
02-17-2017 , 09:21 PM
Also who doesn't know any undocumented people these days?
02-17-2017 , 09:24 PM
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Originally Posted by einbert
Also who doesn't know any undocumented people these days?
I don't for one and many rural america towns don't have any.
02-17-2017 , 09:25 PM
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Originally Posted by aoFrantic
It's extremely obvious he's compromised by Russia. How? Could be tapes. Could just be money. But, he's spent months praising a foreign enemy head of state while railing against just about everything else on earth. A bit odd, no? He's had 3 of his closest advisors/staff quit or be fired for shady or illegal dealings in the past 6 months.
Agreed. Trump has grown up in the same America that all of us have. A rivalry and a general distrust of Russia is part of our culture. That's why Trump's 180 on this issue is so puzzling. As Trump would say, "there's something going on". Don't know exactly what. But it feels like the shell is starting to come off the egg.
02-17-2017 , 09:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Clovis8
Was a one time poll. In this very thread his biggest supporters have High School educations. Those people are not high high income earners.
Current polls also show his approval high among Republicans (like 85%), who make more money than Democrats on average. If you wanna claim his most die hard supporters are poors, then I'd probably agree on a gut level without seeing data, but the suggestion that a generic Trump supporter is poor compared to a generic Dem is demonstrably false.
02-17-2017 , 09:28 PM
I reckon a generic trump supporter is a middle class worker/former middle class worker.
02-17-2017 , 09:29 PM
I just feel like something is going to go down. The combo of the frum/Rubio tweets plus the comey meeting and all the news shows tonight opening with the russian influence story, I think something might be out there on this orange bastard. This is so serious that you almost have to hope they have it, even if the chance is small. I mean in one month this guy has absolutely proven that he is a dictator and is running the country and talking to the masses like lenin did. Its scary **** and I hope that we have some patriots in our government to stand up for us
02-17-2017 , 09:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Sighsalot
I just feel like something is going to go down. The combo of the frum/Rubio tweets plus the comey meeting and all the news shows tonight opening with the russian influence story, I think something might be out there on this orange bastard. This is so serious that you almost have to hope they have it, even if the chance is small. I mean in one month this guy has absolutely proven that he is a dictator and is running the country and talking to the masses like lenin did. Its scary **** and I hope that we have some patriots in our government to stand up for us
Trump isn't gonna go down without swinging for the fences which is why his twitter needs to go now.
02-17-2017 , 09:32 PM
Trump supporters are old, but not poor.
02-17-2017 , 09:33 PM
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Originally Posted by wheatrich
Trump isn't gonna go down without swinging for the fences which is why his twitter needs to go now.
I'm with the aclu that it is better to see and record the madness, at least up until he's calling for armed revolt.
02-17-2017 , 09:34 PM
02-17-2017 , 09:35 PM
www.cnn.com/2017/02/17/politics/comey-russia-senate/index.html

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Warner also said the committee has put in place a process to ensure the White House does not destroy documents lawmakers need for their investigation.
Hopefully not too late.
02-17-2017 , 09:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Chippa58
Agreed. Trump has grown up in the same America that all of us have. A rivalry and a general distrust of Russia is part of our culture. That's why Trump's 180 on this issue is so puzzling. As Trump would say, "there's something going on". Don't know exactly what. But it feels like the shell is starting to come off the egg.
He grew up pretty wealthy and there's a lot to suggest his old man had no issues keeping above the law. When you grow up in a world like that, where you don't have to worry about things like getting drafted or where you're going to college, there's a possibility your worldview is going to be a lot different. In that sense I'm not sure at all that he did grow up in the same America that we did.
02-17-2017 , 09:42 PM
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Originally Posted by weeeez
are you guys subscribed to online newspapers or you read news until free articles run out?
Im clicking on way too many articles and I find myself on blocked stuff too often (currently washington post),and Im not gonna sub one particular news site over another.
So people like end up stopping reading news or what?
Im curious how u guys do.
Pay the WaPo.

They broke the biggest story of this administration and they do good work. Gladly will make them "less failing".
02-17-2017 , 09:43 PM
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Originally Posted by einbert
The truth is when you play out the numbers our tax and labor policies actually help >90% of people, while Republicans focus on helping the top 1% and the middle class ends up getting gutted.
It is what people think that matters in the voting booth, not the truth, as you well know.

But you didn't answer my question. Did "Hispanics" however you want to define them, who did not have an undocumented friend or relative, vote over 50% for Trump?
02-17-2017 , 09:46 PM
Trump has huge support among people with 401k portfolios who not only think the DOW is a useful measurement of the economy, they think it's a perfect correlation

      
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