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02-17-2017 , 08:56 PM

#11026

MrWookie

Don't Call Me Meredith

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Sighsalot

ive been out of the news today slammed at work, this is fairly big news isnt it?

If we can trust it, sure. But I don't award any points until things are material: votes, or in this case, an actual hearing with relevant people under oath.

02-17-2017 , 08:57 PM

#11027

ASAP17

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 5,882

Quote:

Originally Posted by RV Life

If anyone is making assumptions here, it's you. I'm as liberal as you can get.

My point is, the liberals/Democratic Party are making a grave mistake if they think the only reason Trump won is because racist old people voted for him. It's simply not true.

Who says that is the case especially as a group? That's why using the term liberals or Dems is silly since there are quite a few different viewpoints within those labels.

02-17-2017 , 08:57 PM

#11028

einbert

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I want to see a Select Committee. As long as it's a normal investigation under the umbrella of the Intel Committee it's all behind closed doors. This needs to be out in the open where the American people can see what's really going on.

02-17-2017 , 08:58 PM

#11029

amoeba

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Sighsalot

ive been out of the news today slammed at work, this is fairly big news isnt it?

Maybe. It could also be a half measure designed to not find anything and placate the masses.

02-17-2017 , 08:59 PM

#11030

JoltinJake

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The Rubio tweet is indeed interesting given he was at the closed door meeting with Comey today. Everyone present has been very quiet about it.

02-17-2017 , 08:59 PM

#11031

ASAP17

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Quote:

Originally Posted by einbert

53% of white women voted for Trump. Even though Dems got 2.9 million more votes, Republicans have somewhat broad appeal. Trump got a decent amount of Hispanic votes as well. It is indeed a big mistake to think only old whites (or low-income whites) voted Trump into office. It was a very broad coalition of whites, so to speak.

53% of white women WHO VOTED. Not 53% of white women period. Again it blows my mind how we don't mention those people in talking about who supports who. Why should non voters be let off the hook in discussing what happened on Election Day?

02-17-2017 , 09:00 PM

#11032

aoFrantic

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Quote:

Originally Posted by JoltinJake

The Rubio tweet is indeed interesting given he was at the closed door meeting with Comey today. Everyone present has been very quiet about it.

This is basically the first thing in a month to have not had a single leak. That is what I find most interesting about it.

02-17-2017 , 09:01 PM

#11033

Yuv

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Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 4,945

I'm not quite sure what the answer is, but do you guys really think Trump is a Putin puppet or is blackmailed by Russia or w/e or just think it's the best chance of getting Trump out of the WH?

I personally view Trump as the biggest threat to mankind since Cuban missile crisis and think the end justify the means, but like Flynn and/or campaign calls to Russia aren't really in my top 100 fears of the great orange.

He's an unstable moron, not a russian spy.

02-17-2017 , 09:02 PM

#11034

David Sklansky

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Quote:

Originally Posted by aoFrantic

He only dead when Republicans flip on him. So, he's only dead when he says he's raising taxes on the rich.

There was a time when there was a chance that Trump would do exactly that. Maybe it was a longshot but his comments about infrastructure, social security and medical care may have led him to the conclusion that he had to raise taxes on the rich. But the extreme negative stuff coming from the left has probably convinced him that they can't be won over even a little. Which means that to keep his power he can't do anything that will upset the right.

02-17-2017 , 09:03 PM

#11035

suzzer99

Save the Cheerleader, Save the World

Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 100,221

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yuv

I would be there's a pee pee tape or some other sword Putin has hanging over Trump's head. I might not give big odds, but I'd bet it's more likely than not.

02-17-2017 , 09:03 PM

#11036

Max Cut

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Quote:

Originally Posted by einbert

This, with all the bells and whistles -- public hearings, power to subpoena anyone, live cage fights, etc.

02-17-2017 , 09:04 PM

#11037

locknopair

grinder

Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 466

Quote:

Originally Posted by aoFrantic

So, McCain will weakly call out trump, then trump will call him out even stronger and McCain will vote for everything trump wants. How is this worthy of praise?

look man, i'm not praising mccain. i made a simple comment that i was kind of rooting for him when he stands up for the country. you make it sound like i want to cast a vote for the guy.

02-17-2017 , 09:06 PM

#11038

Minirra

old hand

Join Date: Mar 2015 Posts: 1,672

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yuv

Blackmail feels like a bit of a stretch, but then again it's definitely possible. I'd want to see something more concrete before saying it. But without tax returns we're basically waiting on a leak or something.

I think it's a more likely he just has financial interests and strong business ties there, despite denying it (and considering that his son confirmed as much about 10 years ago).

02-17-2017 , 09:07 PM

#11039

Kirbynator

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good lord did you see the morning joe show when they talked about his speech?

to think that used to be his favourite show to watch everyday lmao

https://twitter.com/Morning_Joe/stat...rc=twsrc%5Etfw

they start talking about it at 1:25

02-17-2017 , 09:07 PM

#11040

David Sklansky

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ASAP17

Is there some reason to think that non voters would vote much differently?

02-17-2017 , 09:08 PM

#11041

microbet

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Yuv,

If Putin weren't a fascist and Trump weren't a wannabee it wouldn't be as big a deal.

02-17-2017 , 09:09 PM

#11042

Max Cut

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Quote:

Originally Posted by David Sklansky

Is there some reason to think that non voters would vote much differently?

The election result. But I have no idea how big of an impact. And it's just gut feeling... someone have a poll laying around?

02-17-2017 , 09:11 PM

#11043

weeeez

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Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 3,778

are you guys subscribed to online newspapers or you read news until free articles run out?
Im clicking on way too many articles and I find myself on blocked stuff too often (currently washington post),and Im not gonna sub one particular news site over another.
So people like end up stopping reading news or what?
Im curious how u guys do.

02-17-2017 , 09:11 PM

#11044

aoFrantic

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Yuv

It's extremely obvious he's compromised by Russia. How? Could be tapes. Could just be money. But, he's spent months praising a foreign enemy head of state while railing against just about everything else on earth. A bit odd, no? He's had 3 of his closest advisors/staff quit or be fired for shady or illegal dealings in the past 6 months.

02-17-2017 , 09:11 PM

#11045

microbet

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Quote:

Originally Posted by David Sklansky

Is there some reason to think that non voters would vote much differently?

There's reason to expect non-voters didn't like Trump or Clinton.

02-17-2017 , 09:12 PM

#11046

Kirbynator

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Quote:

Originally Posted by weeeez

my trick is to spam refresh on the page then click on the X to cancel the full loading of the page, which stops the popups that block you from viewing everything.

Sometimes it takes a few tries..

02-17-2017 , 09:12 PM

#11047

David Sklansky

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Quote:

Originally Posted by einbert

Trump got a decent amount of Hispanic votes as well .

Has there been any research as to the percent of Hispanics who have no friends or relatives who are undocumented, who voted for Trump? Might that be over 50%? If so, that completes the proof that most people vote almost exclusively according to their own personal interests (unless helping others is the most minor of sacrifices.)

02-17-2017 , 09:12 PM

#11048

einbert

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Quote:

Originally Posted by David Sklansky

Is there some reason to think that non voters would vote much differently?

Nonvoters tend to trend significantly more Democratic than voters. The higher the turnout on election day, the more likely Democrats will do well. This is one reason Republicans have been pushing for strict voter ID laws in the last few years.

02-17-2017 , 09:13 PM

#11049

ASAP17

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 5,882

Quote:

Originally Posted by David Sklansky

Is there some reason to think that non voters would vote much differently?

You really think 53% of all adult white women (would) support Trump? There is a difference between supporting and not giving a **** (which makes me angry but whatever you can't force people to care).