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The Presidency of Donald J. Trump: No smocking guns. The Presidency of Donald J. Trump: No smocking guns.

01-25-2017 , 11:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Clovis8
So Trump is officially far worse than the worst case scenarios at this point, right?
Only for people who were delusionally optimistic. What are you surprised by?
  • Adversarial relationship with media: standard
  • Crackdown on immigration: key issue
  • Building a border wall: Key issue
  • Repeal Obamacare: Key issue
  • Wild and insane allegations of voter fraud: This is something he does regularly. He once claimed Obama wasn't qualified to be president because he was secretly not American-born!
  • Women are unhappy to be around him: He was caught on tape bragging about habitually groping them, so...
  • Compromised by ties with Russia: Widely reported before the election
  • No action on climate change: Completely unsurprising

The only thing that's mildly surprising is the disjointedness of the team, the slowness of the transition, and the massive insider leaks, but those are far from being all bad.
01-25-2017 , 11:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Victor
not just minorities. all dems are gonna be suppressed.
yes if you go after fraudulent votes democrats will be the ones hardest hit
01-25-2017 , 11:36 AM
There's been action on climate change, just in the wrong direction.
01-25-2017 , 11:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Bullycider
yes if you go after fraudulent votes democrats will be the ones hardest hit
Somehow every fraudulent vote they find will be democrat.
01-25-2017 , 11:41 AM
Trump is going to get competitive with Putin's "election" results.

Will Trump have the restraint to not "win" in 2020(?*) with 100% of the "vote"?

*calendar change?
01-25-2017 , 11:48 AM
Hillary For Prison 2020
01-25-2017 , 11:50 AM
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Originally Posted by OmgGlutten!
he can build the wall with just an e-order? without congress?
Yep, an e-order and an app on his phone.

Dems are playing checkers while Trump plays Clash of Clans
01-25-2017 , 11:53 AM
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Originally Posted by wheatrich
Somehow every fraudulent vote they find will be democrat.
Never had anything to do with fraudulent votes. Had to do with votes most likely to go Democratic. People of color, poor people, and young people, are most likely to vote D, and least likely to have photo ID, so they made voter ID restrictions. I think it was Texas where they tried to institute it so that a gun license was a valid form of ID, but a student ID wasn't. Really obvious what they were trying to do.

And just as a reminder, even in the Jim Crow South, if they expected that African Americans would have voted in the interests of the ruling white class, I am sure that they would not have instituted literacy tests and poll taxes.
01-25-2017 , 11:54 AM
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Originally Posted by DVaut1
The Villages in FL
Elite reference imo (I'm not far from there)
01-25-2017 , 11:57 AM
For Your Consideration

Trump's BOLD Plans for ACTION


"Hilarious and heartfelt...the must see Presidential Administration!" (Boston Globe, 1/24/17)

"Illuminating, unnerving and unforgettable!" (Vanity Fair, 1/24/17)

"*****!" (Joel Siegel, 1/24/17)
01-25-2017 , 11:59 AM
Trump gave voting fraud numbers before the investigation even started. Under budget and ahead of schedule!
01-25-2017 , 12:01 PM
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Originally Posted by DBLK
Let's look at that Atlantic quote:
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Trump has no apparent interest in policy details or in working the levers of Congress; he has approached the presidency more as a bully pulpit than as a demanding executive role.But it’s a lot harder to use that bully pulpit if you’re not always viewed as a winner, so Trump insists he’s a winner even when he is not.

The result, paradoxically, is that he’s coming out as a winner on many issues. Some of these victories may prove to be pyrrhic.
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics...idency/514223/

Just incredible spin going on here.
01-25-2017 , 12:03 PM
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Originally Posted by bobman0330
Only for people who were delusionally optimistic. What are you surprised by?
  • Adversarial relationship with media: standard
  • Crackdown on immigration: key issue
  • Building a border wall: Key issue
  • Repeal Obamacare: Key issue
  • Wild and insane allegations of voter fraud: This is something he does regularly. He once claimed Obama wasn't qualified to be president because he was secretly not American-born!
  • Women are unhappy to be around him: He was caught on tape bragging about habitually groping them, so...
  • Compromised by ties with Russia: Widely reported before the election
  • No action on climate change: Completely unsurprising

The only thing that's mildly surprising is the disjointedness of the team, the slowness of the transition, and the massive insider leaks, but those are far from being all bad.
I feel like for most liberals, Trump doing what he said he'd do is close to worst case.
01-25-2017 , 12:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Clovis8
So Trump is officially far worse than the worst case scenarios at this point, right?
The best case scenario was him dying of auto-erotic asphixiation in a cold bathroom 10 minutes after his inauguration.
The worst case scenario was nukes on day 1.

I'd say we're somewhere in the middle, trending towards worse.
01-25-2017 , 12:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Bullycider
yes if you go after fraudulent votes democrats will be the ones hardest hit
Exactly. But not bc they are actually fraudulent. Repubs will concoct reasons to suppress opposition votes. They will force millions of ppl to jump through hoops of increasing difficulty and to exert tons of effort to reclaim voting rights. Many will still be falsely disenfranchised and many will simply give up.

Once the dems are subdued, they will cull the repub party.

In 10 yrs, we will be like the soviet union. One party. No dissent.
01-25-2017 , 12:09 PM
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Originally Posted by otatop
Let's look at that Atlantic quote:

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics...idency/514223/

Just incredible spin going on here.
@CNN needs to say something nice about him to get on that list yet somehow still be fake news
01-25-2017 , 12:11 PM
and if you're gonna quote Sean ****ing Hannity you might as well just quote Trump himself

"America is being made great again." --Donald J Trump, entrepreneur
01-25-2017 , 12:11 PM

LOL Trump slappies.

This is the **** we are dealing with. People will blatantly lie to protect him even when presented with solid evidence that doesn't even ****ing mean anything.
01-25-2017 , 12:11 PM
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Originally Posted by otatop
Let's look at that Atlantic quote:

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics...idency/514223/

Just incredible spin going on here.
Donald Trump ... is (a) ... good ... president

NYT - various
01-25-2017 , 12:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Kukraprout
The best case scenario was him dying of auto-erotic asphixiation in a cold bathroom 10 minutes after his inauguration.
The worst case scenario was nukes on day 1.

I'd say we're somewhere in the middle, trending towards worse.
Seems true enough.
01-25-2017 , 12:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Victor
Exactly. But not bc they are actually fraudulent. Repubs will concoct reasons to suppress opposition votes. They will force millions of ppl to jump through hoops of increasing difficulty and to exert tons of effort to reclaim voting rights. Many will still be falsely disenfranchised and many will simply give up.

Once the dems are subdued, they will cull the repub party.

In 10 yrs, we will be like the soviet union. One party. No dissent.
exactly right but I think 10 is a conservative number--they're currently on pace for 2. That's the goal and trump is impatient.
01-25-2017 , 12:17 PM
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Originally Posted by tomdemaine
Donald Trump ... is (a) ... good ... president

NYT - various
"There is... evidence for President Trump's claim that millions of fraudulent votes were cast in the election".
01-25-2017 , 12:24 PM
Yea doesn't everything w/ voter suppression need to be done within 2 years? The GOP has to know a ****load of voters will be coming out in force.
01-25-2017 , 12:30 PM
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Originally Posted by RV Life
Yea doesn't everything w/ voter suppression need to be done within 2 years? The GOP has to know a ****load of voters will be coming out in force.
The deck is so stacked in 2018, the GOP stranglehold will most likely survive regardless. They have 4 years to crush opposition.

      
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