The Presidency of Donald J. Trump: No smocking guns. - Page 4360 - Politics and Economics

Squashing evidence illegally obtained (or its "fruits") is considered more important (by most people) than convicting an obviously guilty murderer who would go free without that evidence.

So what if that illegal evidence is necessary to remove a president from office who would clearly be convicted with it but most likely not without it? Does the same principle apply?

The Presidency of Donald J. Trump: No smocking guns.

07-14-2018 , 01:13 AM

#108977

Lestat

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Quote:

Originally Posted by David Sklansky

Not sure if you're trying to argue law or logic? Of course, squashing evidence illegally seized by the government is more important than conviction in every case. Without 4A we lose our protective rights as citizens against illegal search and seizure as well as our ability to travel and move about freely in this country without being harassed (see BLM !).

But I agree with Wookie on this one. Impeachment is a political process in which evidence isn't even necessary. It's more a matter of whether or not a sitting president is still able to effectively govern and function.

07-14-2018 , 01:13 AM

#108978

estefaniocurry

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Quote:

Originally Posted by SuperUberBob

New York Times still calling Trump's lies falsehoods

This is probably a nitpicking legal thing. "Lie" suggests intention to deceive. "Falsehood" suggests completely wrong without suggesting intent. Some distinction like that might matter if he decides to sue them for libel or some nonsense, even though he can't. More likely they like to think of themselves as objective, neutral journalists, and this is part of that game of lying to themselves that they aren't toadies to power.

07-14-2018 , 01:22 AM

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Savid Dlansky

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Assuming Donald Trump is in the top 2.18% of all presidents in terms of intelligence and deal-making, and that the FBI lovers have been fabricating evidence as part of their plot to overthrow Our President in an illegal coup (the motivations for which are factually backed by their highly biased text messages if you read even 10% of them), isn't the best course of action to simply end the rigged witch hunt now? I'm speaking mathematically.

07-14-2018 , 01:23 AM

#108980

Savid Dlansky

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Furthermore, if Donald Trump somehow does end up technically guilty on some minor infraction 0.22% of the time, but investigating him destroys the country 95.6% of the time, don't you agree that they should just drop it?

07-14-2018 , 01:37 AM

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Originally Posted by bigt2k4

As a Canadian who's travelled the world in search of the best beers. Portland has the most interesting and best flavours, but England has cask ales which are a completely unexplored style of( beer in the rest of the world)they have been perfecting for centuries which makes you satisfied and doesn't make you fart/burp. Why isn't cask ale a thing everywhere? In Toronto they convert decent beers into cask beers which don't work out, you need to make the beer specifically for Cask. CAMRA for life!

Ding dong.

Top fermenting yeast in casks ftw. There's nothing quite like it.

07-14-2018 , 01:42 AM

#108982

ScreaminAsian

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07-14-2018 , 01:44 AM

#108983

Trolly McTrollson

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Originally Posted by Savid Dlansky

So good.

07-14-2018 , 01:45 AM

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Emails obtained by Democrats and publicly released Friday show that Novartis sent Michael Cohen, a former lawyer for*President Trump, a list of proposals to lower drug prices.*

Several of those proposals later appeared in the administration's "blue print" to lower drug prices.*

In an email dated June 5, 2017, ex-Novartis CEO Joe Jimenez sent Cohen an email with a document attached*called "drug pricing initiatives."*

"Based on our conversation last week, I am forwarding you some ideas to lower drug costs in the US," Jimenez wrote.*

Cohen responded a few hours later: "Received and I will forward to you their suggestions."*

Several of the recommendations later ended up in the administration's blueprint, which was released in May.

Novartis previously acknowledged a $1.2 million agreement with Cohen last year. Cohen allegedly promised the company access to the Trump administration.

http://thehill.com/policy/healthcare...posal-to-cohen

07-14-2018 , 01:50 AM

#108985

ChrisV

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Would like to subscribe to Savid Dlansky's newsletter.

07-14-2018 , 02:02 AM

#108986

ScreaminAsian

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Originally Posted by True North

He also called the Sun interview fake news, despite the fact that The Sun published the audio along with the article.

07-14-2018 , 02:03 AM

#108987

David Sklansky

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Quote:

Originally Posted by MrWookie

The answer is still the same: the wiretap is illegal. The evidence is whatever Congress says it is.

I recommend reviewing the constitution. It contains all the rules of evidence for impeachment proceedings.

So my ultimate point is that if even illegally obtained evidence can be used then certainly evidence obtained by biased investigators can.

07-14-2018 , 02:10 AM

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microbet

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Quote:

Originally Posted by David Sklansky

So my ultimate point is that if even illegally obtained evidence can be used then certainly evidence obtained by biased investigators can.

Awesome. I just emailed Paul Ryan.

07-14-2018 , 02:17 AM

#108989

ScreaminAsian

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07-14-2018 , 02:24 AM

#108990

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https://twitter.com/PressSec/status/1017798174948413441

07-14-2018 , 02:24 AM

#108991

David Sklansky

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Originally Posted by microbet

Awesome. I just emailed Paul Ryan.

Though you are joking the reason I started this was because the hearings irritated me because the Democrats should not have been so insistent that bias affected zero decisions because that implied that it would matter if it did. The truth is that almost certainly some decisions were consciously or unconsciously affected but it doesn't matter because unlike in criminal trials the prosecutors need not be pristine.

07-14-2018 , 02:29 AM

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Savid Dlansky gimmick is so elite.

07-14-2018 , 02:34 AM

#108993

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07-14-2018 , 04:04 AM

#108994

SuperUberBob

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Quote:

Originally Posted by iron81

Falsehood is a more accurate term the majority of the time. Most of the dumb **** he says he has no idea whether it's true.

Holding our President to the standard of a 4 year old is shameful. It's nothing more than an excuse to not call him what he is because of losing access to press conferences where they get lied to for an hour.

07-14-2018 , 05:19 AM

#108995

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https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/...62211909083136

07-14-2018 , 05:43 AM

#108996

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https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/...68353305411584

07-14-2018 , 05:47 AM

#108997

realDonaldTrump

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https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/...69319702458368

07-14-2018 , 05:52 AM

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hngry2greedy

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Been listening to alot of RATM lately, and I'm trying to remember a time in which musicians weren't fighting back against deplorables as willfully as they aren't now. For ****s sake, were barely a decade removed of Incubus's Megalomaniac. When non-deplorables need some part of pop culture fueling the flames, all we've got so far is ****ing Kanye legitimizing Candace Owens. Like wtf is actually going on here? How is there not a unified voice against all of this fascist bull**** yet?