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02-17-2017 , 02:58 PM
@Inso0: There's a part in the presser where an orthodox Jewish reporter (orthodox Jews voted bigly for Trump - that's probably why the guy's relatively unknown outlet was allowed to be there) asked, with a long preface on how much he likes Trump and his family, what could be done about a rise in antisemetic behavior, including dozens bomb threats on Jewish community centers. ****ing bomb threats! And Trump just unloads the clip on the guy, tells him to be quiet, tells him to sit down, says he lied about the nature of his question. It is a completely appalling response to a man asking an earnest question that relates to the safety of him and his family.
02-17-2017 , 02:59 PM
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Originally Posted by microbet
You can't quite figure it out from the info, but looking at how strongly blacks, Hispanics and to some degree women are against it you can come pretty close to seeing that education levels for white males make a pretty big difference.
Im also surprised to see women having more empathy towards muslims. My guess is that they are just more anti Trump in general so they are more predisposed against him.

I also agree with your guess regarding to education levels. In blacks education level doesnt matter too much but in white education matters a lot. Im also willing to make a wild guess and say that in hispanics it could actually be the other way around. Those with more education are more conservative.
02-17-2017 , 02:59 PM
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Originally Posted by wheatrich
coal miners definitely support that and their constituents don't give a **** about the environment.
They support shortening the lifespans of their communities, no wonder WV seems like the worst state in the country.
02-17-2017 , 03:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Clovis8
This is silly. No historical analysis can result in a conclusion other than increased social acceptance of racial, gender and sexual differences through time.
Sure, but

--It's not a straight line.
--The older generation dying off is not going to solve or end racism.
02-17-2017 , 03:04 PM
Everyone is losing their minds over Flint water crisis.

president is repealing orders that stop another flint from happening, nbd
02-17-2017 , 03:05 PM
02-17-2017 , 03:06 PM
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Originally Posted by TheHip41
when you lie about things that are immaterial, and are easily fact checked as lies, that is a sign of a pathological liar.
Lie implies intent.

My real concern is that he's just got no filter when he gets caught up in the moment. There was a post right after the election where someone linked an article to back their point in a LOL INSO post that was literally credited to an author named Jimmy Rustler or something equally absurd. Fake news before fake news was a popular thing.

Trump is that guy, and he needs to cut it out, because as funny as it is to see the overblown reactions afterward, it just degrades what little credibility he has every time it occurs.

I don't think he's a pathological liar so much as an extreme narcissist that needs to chill the **** out and just go do the job he was elected to do instead of worrying about what everyone thinks about his YUGE hands.
02-17-2017 , 03:09 PM
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Originally Posted by valenzuela
Im also surprised to see women having more empathy...
Really?
02-17-2017 , 03:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Clovis8
MAGA has to be the single most reliable social signal ever created. Every single person who has used it in a non-ironic fashion can be completely ignored as not worthy of consideration. Not since the eye-holes cut in bed sheets has a better social signal of ignorance been developed.
I just stole this and tweeted it.
02-17-2017 , 03:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Kirbynator
Grunching will read the last 2 pages, im guessing the fox news report here about the army and flynn's speech has been posted?
Actually, no.
02-17-2017 , 03:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Inso0
Lie implies intent.

My real concern is that he's just got no filter when he gets caught up in the moment. There was a post right after the election where someone linked an article to back their point in a LOL INSO post that was literally credited to an author named Jimmy Rustler or something equally absurd. Fake news before fake news was a popular thing.

Trump is that guy, and he needs to cut it out, because as funny as it is to see the overblown reactions afterward, it just degrades what little credibility he has every time it occurs.

I don't think he's a pathological liar so much as an extreme narcissist that needs to chill the **** out and just go do the job he was elected to do instead of worrying about what everyone thinks about his YUGE hands.
Lol, dude how can you defend someone who is telling the world he won the electorate vote by the biggest margin since Reagan when it is empirically false? And that's like just the recent example of Trump not caring about reality.
02-17-2017 , 03:17 PM
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Originally Posted by microbet
Pruitt is up there with the worst of the picks. I guess congrats to Susan Collins (R) for voting against and whatever at John McCain for not voting.



Hopefully some of his inaction will be able to be fought in the courts, but to a large degree he just effectively won all those lawsuits with this appointment.
Yeah it's pretty bad. Congress just being ridiculous. The thing is it's not like the republicans and trump can either claim anything but full on cahoots.
02-17-2017 , 03:19 PM
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Originally Posted by weeeez
where is conway?
Spoiler:
02-17-2017 , 03:19 PM
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Originally Posted by valenzuela
Im also surprised to see women having more empathy towards muslims. My guess is that they are just more anti Trump in general so they are more predisposed against him.

I also agree with your guess regarding to education levels. In blacks education level doesnt matter too much but in white education matters a lot. Im also willing to make a wild guess and say that in hispanics it could actually be the other way around. Those with more education are more conservative.
There are some very big divisions in the Hispanic population in America that reflect some very big differences in how and why Hispanics either immigrated here, or were here all along. I would guess that the conservative Cuban immigrants and others like Anna Navarro who came here from rightist families fleeing leftest groups account for some of it. Along with that group would be Hispanic-Americans whose families have been here many generations and are more evenly divided ideologically than recent immigrants. Education levels surely vary between those groups, but I doubt there's a cause and effect that education leads to conservatism.
02-17-2017 , 03:21 PM
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Originally Posted by iron81
Actually, no.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017...pearances.html
02-17-2017 , 03:22 PM
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Originally Posted by wheatrich
coal miners definitely support that and their constituents don't give a **** about the environment.
This is such a tilting, yet sadly common, view on both the right and left. There is this idiotic idea that society must choose between commerce and the environment. As someone who has worked in the environmental consultation industry for 20 years I can tell you this is just false. Period.

Well designed regulation allows industry to floursish, while compensating for externalities, and protecting the environment.

The idea on the left that environmental protection trumps all is equality as stupid as th idea on the right that commerce trumps all.
02-17-2017 , 03:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Europa
Really?
And that too. Women have more empathy and should take over imo.

Possibly the best "government" in the world right now.
02-17-2017 , 03:25 PM
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Originally Posted by iron81
Actually, no.
Yeah what's the story morning glory
02-17-2017 , 03:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Inso0
Lie implies intent.

My real concern is that he's just got no filter when he gets caught up in the moment. There was a post right after the election where someone linked an article to back their point in a LOL INSO post that was literally credited to an author named Jimmy Rustler or something equally absurd. Fake news before fake news was a popular thing.

Trump is that guy, and he needs to cut it out, because as funny as it is to see the overblown reactions afterward, it just degrades what little credibility he has every time it occurs.

I don't think he's a pathological liar so much as an extreme narcissist that needs to chill the **** out and just go do the job he was elected to do instead of worrying about what everyone thinks about his YUGE hands.
he knows its 304, but his ego wants it to be higher.

pathological liars lie, because that's what they do, not because there's a good reason to do it
02-17-2017 , 03:28 PM
Just that Flynn didn't get the required approval from the DoD to speak in Russia. Apparently that's a thing even though he had retired.
02-17-2017 , 03:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Clovis8
This is such a tilting, yet sadly common, view on both the right and left. There is this idiotic idea that society must choose between commerce and the environment. As someone who has worked in the environmental consultation industry for 20 years I can tell you this is just false. Period.

Well designed regulation allows industry to floursish, while compensating for externalities, and protecting the environment.

The idea on the left that environmental protection trumps all is equality as stupid as th idea on the right that commerce trumps all.
Of course environmental protection can happen with the help of industry. There are 374k people employed in the US solar industry and rapidly increasing and 160k people employed in the coal industry and rapidly decreasing.

(story in the LA Times today about Nike committing to using 100% renewable energy)

What can happen, and what will happen shortly unless Trump actively subsidizes it, is that coal will disappear in the US as a fuel for generating electrical power.
02-17-2017 , 03:30 PM
Feb 17 2017

REMARKS BY SASC CHAIRMAN JOHN McCAIN AT THE 2017 MUNICH SECURITY CONFERENCE

www.mccain.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?p=speeches&id=32A7E7DD-8D76-4431-B1E7-8644FD71C49F

02-17-2017 , 03:30 PM
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Originally Posted by iron81
Just that Flynn didn't get the required approval from the DoD to speak in Russia. Apparently that's a thing even though he had retired.
and he lied about it and said he was paid
02-17-2017 , 03:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Paul D
Lol, dude how can you defend someone who is telling the world he won the electorate vote by the biggest margin since Reagan when it is empirically false? And that's like just the recent example of Trump not caring about reality.
You and I have different ideas about what that entails. It feels dirty to make excuses for the guy, but I can't defend **** like that because I can't imagine what goes through his mind while doing it. It's certainly not something I would do in his position. Believe it or not, I at least try not to make statements that can be shown to be objectively false with a 4 second Google search. It's not much fun to argue for black when the truth is indisputably white.

I am satisfied with the election outcome, but already stated that I'm regretful that I officially gave him my vote. Should've stuck to the plan and been able to say, "Don't blame me, I didn't vote for him!" for the rest of the decade, but that ship has sailed, and I suppose would've been the coward's way out, anyway.

I stand by HRC being the worse option, but not on an individual level. She'd probably be a better President in a vacuum, but that's not how politics works. Elections have consequences, and HRC would've meant a lot of nasty consequences for conservative causes for decades to come.
02-17-2017 , 03:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Max Cut
Feb 17 2017

REMARKS BY SASC CHAIRMAN JOHN McCAIN AT THE 2017 MUNICH SECURITY CONFERENCE

www.mccain.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?p=speeches&id=32A7E7DD-8D76-4431-B1E7-8644FD71C49F

McCain talks a big game but he's voted yes on Tillerson, Sessions, Devos, and almost all of Trump's other nominees.

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com...e/john-mccain/

      
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