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02-17-2017 , 12:53 PM
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Originally Posted by dopebeats
I hate to be the bearer of bad news but atleast a few people are going to jail in this administration. I know (hope) you are trolling. Here is a GOP-Friendly outlet's take.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-TfqTHlMszA

LOL
This is literally 8 minutes about the electoral college comment and #RUSSIA!

Can you truly not understand why this isn't going to create the kind of uprising you're looking for?

Fact: Trump exaggerates in an uninformed manner on his electoral victory margin.

Conclusion: Therefor, every word Trump says is a lie.


That's not how this works. Average citizens do not have the same level of inherent hatred for Trump that's necessary to make this leap in logic.


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Originally Posted by TheNewT50
Watch right wing media (more right than Fox News apparently, which lambasted his performance), get reassured that Dear Leader is the greatest, gloat on 2p2. I had you pinned for better than that.
Not really. The teacher/journalist turned radio host I was listening to was a never-Trumper, and the entire topic setup was him being concerned that Trump was coming off as a loon and doing more harm than good. He basically seeded the audience with a "call in and agree with me that this isn't going to end well" and the actual response was the total opposite.

There are more of "them" than there are of you, so you should pay attention to how the normies respond to these things.

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Originally Posted by champstark
The most ridiculous part is that I'm sure he thinks we are in a liberal bubble and he is the one with the "real people." Anyone who watched that news conference and thought it was great lives in a ****ing bubble of an alternate reality. That is the real bubble.
2p2 is undoubtedly a bubble and you must surely know that, but I don't consider my peers any more or less real than the lot of you. However, I do genuinely believe that "my side" handles being the unwilling passenger on the Hype! train better than yours, and casual participants in politics don't like to throw their hat in with such an off-putting crowd.
02-17-2017 , 12:59 PM
amazing
02-17-2017 , 01:09 PM
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Originally Posted by astro39
Kal Penn (Kumar) is a notable in the Democrat establishment, left acting to work for Obama - his actual pedigree in terms of working in government is pretty good. Because of this I also think he'd be a million times better than Trump, because he actually has experience working in a Federal government.
No I think he meant that Kal's character in the movie -- Kumar -- or the Harold character, would be better as POTUS than Trump. Which I wholeheartedly agree with.
02-17-2017 , 01:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Inso0
There are more of "them" than there are of you, so you should pay attention to how the normies respond to these things.


02-17-2017 , 01:10 PM
Vox has the memo that Spicer said didn't exist:

https://cdn2.vox-cdn.com/uploads/cho...ement....0.pdf
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To maximize participation by state and local jurisdictions in the enforcement of federal immigration law, I am directing the Director of ICE to engage with all willing and qualified law enforcement jurisdictions for the purpose of entering into agreements under section 287(g) of the INA. Additionally, I am directing the Commissioner of CBP and the Director of ICE to immediately engage with the Governors of the States adjacent to the land border with Mexico and those States adjoining such border States for the purpose of entering into agreements under section 287(g) of the INA to authorize qualified members of the State National Guard, while such members are not in federal service, or qualified members of a state militia or state defense force under the command of the Governor, to perform the functions of an immigration officer in
relation to the investigation, apprehension, and detention of aliens in the United States
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02-17-2017 , 01:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Inso0
This is literally 8 minutes about the electoral college comment and #RUSSIA!

Can you truly not understand why this isn't going to create the kind of uprising you're looking for?

Fact: Trump exaggerates in an uninformed manner on his electoral victory margin.

Conclusion: Therefor, every word Trump says is a lie.


That's not how this works. Average citizens do not have the same level of inherent hatred for Trump that's necessary to make this leap in logic.
I don't think that's the leap most people are making. It's within a context of him berating the media for supposedly lying about pretty much everything (that he doesn't like) when many of the reports are factually correct, combined with the many lies he has already been caught in. In that context, him flat out lying about something like his electoral vote count (trivially verifiable) in front of the entire world on a live broadcast is more of a confirmation that he lies A LOT. It shows he is willing to lie about something so obvious, even in that situation. It's not a leap to think he's willing to lie whenever it suits him.


edit: now that I see what video you are referring to, I have to say that you misrepresented it.

Last edited by Max Cut; 02-17-2017 at 01:22 PM.
02-17-2017 , 01:16 PM
Dude, don't expect Inso to give an honest assessment of what liberals are actually arguing.
02-17-2017 , 01:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Bigoldnit
I'm going in deep denial mode now.
02-17-2017 , 01:18 PM
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Originally Posted by waterwolves
Is there anything Trump could do that would cause you to stop supporting him?

That ^^^^^^^ question has gotten me further with Trumpsters than anything else.
This might work on some of the higher-functioning Trumpkins:

Would you hire a doctor, lawyer or accountant who tweeted something like this?



If not, why is it acceptable for the POTUS?
02-17-2017 , 01:18 PM
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Fact: Trump exaggerates in an uninformed manner on his electoral victory margin.

Conclusion: Therefor, every word Trump says is a lie.


That's not how this works. Average citizens do not have the same level of inherent hatred for Trump that's necessary to make this leap in logic.
"Average citizens" (by which I guess you mean REAL Americans who don't trust fake-news rags like the NY Times) know Trump lies all the time. They just don't care.

There may be some Trumpkins out there who think he doesn't lie, but those people are so uninformed and dumb that their opinions are irrelevant.
02-17-2017 , 01:21 PM
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Originally Posted by mmbt0ne


cant wait for his tweet stating fake news
02-17-2017 , 01:22 PM
When Trump repeats his great electoral victory line tomorrow, is his number still 306?
02-17-2017 , 01:24 PM
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Originally Posted by dopebeats
That looks like disinfo honestly. That was from a memo that was leaked to the AP. I think Bannon is checking the news cycle.
I really hate these reports--it's a trap, he gets to not do it then blast the media for reporting it b/c it's fake news. Make him do it. May God help us if 100k nat guard troops instantly start rounding up people no questions asked.

wow @ fox news actually posting that poll. Thought they were gonna go with rasmussen's.
02-17-2017 , 01:24 PM
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Originally Posted by LordJvK
Thought Trump talked a lot of sense in the press conference. He's basically in the right.

Watched the full 77 minutes.
Yes spending half a press conference complaining about the media and crowing about winning an election and half a press conference just flat out lying... it was quite the performance.
02-17-2017 , 01:25 PM
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Originally Posted by uDevil
When Trump repeats his great electoral victory line tomorrow, is his number still 306?
"I won thousands of electoral votes. Thousands. A thousand or so."

"I was rounding off."
02-17-2017 , 01:26 PM
lol Inso0
02-17-2017 , 01:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Bigoldnit
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Originally Posted by markksman
I'm going in deep denial mode now.
November 2016:

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Originally Posted by DVaut1
Honestly and I mean this sincerely, I would not feel confident if I were Clinton. I don't think the likelihood of her seeing a prison cell are high but remember the authoritarian mindset is going to be ever searching for targets and scapegoats for dominance politics.

If and until the Democrats get their act together, Hillary Clinton seems like the target they can dangle over the deplorables if events go bad and they're upset Trump isn't delivering on other stuff. Why ever leave campaign mode? It can go on for years with the right wing media. And Trump, now in power and in command of the federal bureaucracy, can find and leak exciting new evidence via anonymous sources that they just discovered some new tantalizing bit of evidence about Clinton that might lead to her persecution, stay tuned, BREAKING NEWS ALERT, like and share.

I'm not saying it's fate but I'm not going to be surprised if we head in that direction of literal years of the GOP doing whatever destructive and/or grifty stuff they have planned and then keeping their voters entertained with LOCK HER UP RALLIES that portend they are right on the cusp of an exciting new development. Trump has a vast array of government powers and all the "anonymous source" bureaucrats they would feed bull**** are about to become FAR MORE credible than some Trump campaign flunkey.

Hard to see the perfect end-game but can easily see how WILL HE WON'T HE PROSECUTE?! becomes the new can't miss, thrilling episodic reality TV government and Trump is in millions of ways an idiot but certainly knows the power of that drama.
And later:

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Originally Posted by DVaut1
Trump still campaigning against Clinton. Podesta emails, got the debate questions ahead of time, etc.

Is there a market for Clinton indictment? Seems like whenever questions and times get tough, Trump's pivot is going to be bringing up the specter of Hillary Clinton and all the bad things she did to America. I assume that scales so if things get really embarrassing he's going to prosecute, right?
We're 1 month into chaos. If things get worse, I am quite, quite confident the specter of indicting Clinton herself will be raised. Bannon/Trump knows nothing more would get the base into fits of titillated joy than that.

Watch.
02-17-2017 , 01:28 PM
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Originally Posted by mmbt0ne


Most interesting thing here is that the second poll ("HAPPENING NOW" chyron) is from 11/8/16! Trump has lost Fox News.
02-17-2017 , 01:29 PM
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Originally Posted by wheatrich
They have got to STOP leaking "considering" make them do it. It's a trap, he gets to not do it then blast the media for reporting it b/c it's fake news. They've done this over and over again and the media is falling for it over and over again. For as much as people in here say trump is stupid; he's crushing the media over and over again.
Huh?

And Trump trying to use the military or National Guard for immigration roundups would not be the tiniest bit surprising.
02-17-2017 , 01:30 PM
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Originally Posted by suzzer99
Would you hire a doctor, lawyer or accountant who tweeted something like this?

Yeah that's pretty gross without any context. Probably not any better with.

It's hard to tweet 20 times a day without putting out some real cringe.
02-17-2017 , 01:34 PM
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Originally Posted by microbet
Huh?

And Trump trying to use the military or National Guard for immigration roundups would not be the tiniest bit surprising.
I have no doubt he'd do it, but they love nothing more than denying when all his supporters will only see he hasn't done it and liberals are whining over nothing again.

Though maybe we're past the point of no return already and **** it.

I said the day after the election clinton should've hopped on a plane and never came back. He's saving that card.
02-17-2017 , 01:35 PM
Mark Cuban has been going in on Trump for a solid 20 min now on CNBC. Been debating with Kevin O'Leary for at least 10 minutes and they just went to the second commercial break during this segment with promises to come back to the two of them. I recommend tuning in. My favorite parts so far are the ones where Cuban uses O'Leary's Shark Tank phrases to refute his points.

I also liked when O'Leary said he might be negotiating with Trump someday and Cuban said "God help us all"
02-17-2017 , 01:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Inso0
Yeah that's pretty gross without any context. Probably not any better with.

It's hard to tweet 20 times a day without putting out some real cringe.
C'mon bro. No real grown up should ever tweet anything like that. I have almost 40k posts on an anonymous board where I am often trying to be insulting and I've never said anything like that. More or less that's true of almost every reg on the forum.
02-17-2017 , 01:39 PM
When arguing with someone about sports on Twitter, I believe I once supported my argument with "Because I'm smarter than you."
02-17-2017 , 01:40 PM
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Originally Posted by wheatrich
I have no doubt he'd do it, but they love nothing more than denying when all his supporters will only see he hasn't done it and liberals are whining over nothing again.

Though maybe we're past the point of no return already and **** it.

I said the day after the election clinton should've hopped on a plane and never came back. He's saving that card.
At least half his supporters will be mad if he doesn't send the military to round up illegals and "restore order" in Chicago.

      
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