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Originally Posted by ymmv
Literally any liberal in congress or senate would be better. I guess your statement is correct to the extent that CDL's paradigm liberal is an uneducated black kid from chicago who isn't fit to run the country.. But really anyone with a hint of experience in government would be better than trump. Even if they are super-lefty!
We are talking about the whole population (though I am unclear if people like us, some of which are not 35 years old, would be in that conversation or just olds as people over 35 actually skew more conservative than the voting public).
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Originally Posted by microbet
What's a random liberal do? Well, I'd ask Obama for some help. I'm sure the least he'd do is help you find people to help. If a random Republican asks W, well, that's not great, but it's still a lot better than what we have now.
True, but some would just ask their friends and other people they trust who would be equally uneducated.
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Originally Posted by markksman
I'm arguing with nitwits elsewhere that all presidents lie and trump is no harm no foul with his lies. lol it's such amazing denial.
yea. This is what prompted that comment last night and is an insight into how they think. These people literally cannot talk about Trump. All they can do is talk about Hillary. This is a guy who liked Obama, said he was going to miss Obama and Biden as recently as Inauguration Day, and was the biggest Bernie supporter I interacted with regularly irl yet he is still this far gone.
He used "Hillary," "she," and "her" 16 times below and "Trump," "he," and "him" only 5 times.
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Me: so if he lies why is this not something he should absolutely be pressed on consistently?
lies of this scope are worht constant pressure
him: which scope
i don't even know what we're tlaking about anymore
all politicians lie
some more than others
hillary lies all the damn time
trump too
nothing new here in politics
me: hillary isnt president
she doesnt matter
lets talk about the current president and no one else
im talking about lying about being briefed on flynn
lying about ties to russia
lying about fake news
lying about stattistics
lying about voter fraud
lying about setting up meetings
lying about his cabinet appointments taking the longest time ever
him: well you voted for hillary so it does matter since it just makes you a hypocrite
me: hillary has never been president
him: but you wanted her to be
and she lies all the time
me: i never once had the opportunity to criticize or praise her actions as president
him: would you be bringing up the same issues with her? i hiiiiiiiiiiiiighly doubt it
me: if she had interactions with russia who was hacking the US trying to manipulate the election then yes
if she kept talking about winning the election 3 months later while in office i would take issue, yes
him: how bout the interactions she had with russia as sec of state that undermined the united states?
me: but again, she isnt president
SHE WASN'T PRESIDENT
him: secretary of state doesn't matter then? cool
me: has hillary ever been the president?
him: can't wait til tillerson does someting you don't like
me: we are talking about the current president
who is the current president?
him: i'm talking about your hipocrasy
me: hillary made mistakes as secretary of state
including keeping a separate meail server
and deleting emails
i readily admitted this during the election and still admit it
him: and continuously lying throughout her career
me: but she is not president
him: but you're upset about trump's lies
but you tried to make her president
meaning you're ok with her lying but not trump
me: her actions at the present time have NOTHING to do with the future of this country
him: or you're just okay with her lies more than his
me: trump's do
him: ok so secretaries of state can lie but not presidents
understood
good policy
me: i never said that
why do you refuse to talk about trump?
him: we've been talkin gabout trump fof 45 mintues wtf are you talkin about?
me: im not talking about anything outside the current administration
him: why do you refuse to acknowledge your hypocrisy?
me: what hypocrisy?
i said i didnt like her lies
but again, is she the president?
him: you voted for her lies and wanted her lying ass to be president
me: who is the current president?
him: but you're not okay with donald trump lying
i'm trying to understand why one person's lies are better than the others
also i think actions speak louder than words
and hillary's actions are noisy as ****
me: im not ok with the president lying to the public when the lies are not a matter of national security
thats corrrect
this goes for every president
historically and in the future
him: were you ok with obama's
me: and it applies to the present
no, he was a president
him: but knowing that hillary was lying liar who lies, why did you want her to be president?
me: not sure how i could be more clear
him: did you think she would stopo lying as president?
me: im done with this convo
am I the only one that interacts with this type of person regularly?