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The Presidency of Donald J. Trump: No smocking guns. The Presidency of Donald J. Trump: No smocking guns.

02-17-2017 , 06:59 AM
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02-17-2017 , 07:04 AM
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Originally Posted by Losing all
It has failed. Some of us are doing a lot more than wishing it away.
Uh huh. Like what?
02-17-2017 , 07:11 AM
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Originally Posted by cuserounder

To some extent, the majority of a population is only going to know their own experiences and to some degree their parents/grandparents experiences. I think a huge percentage of the American electorate thought, and still thinks, that our democratic republic is indestructible, whereas a lot of people in Europe understand that's not the case due to being only a couple generations removed from a wave of fascism.

So basically, way too many people in the US laughed off Trump's rhetoric, and while there has been a hard-right movement in some European countries with varying degrees of success, I feel like it's meeting more resistance - especially in countries that fell victim to fascism within the last 80 years... Are my feelings/assumptions on this correct?
I think one thing you aren't taking into consideration is that the US already scores pretty high on the fascist, if not nazi scale. If you compare it with say, Mussolini's Italy before Hitler became too influential there, it isn't really that much different. Hyper-nationalist, imperialist wars, draconian law enforcement etc.
Plus euro nations tended to trade slaves more than keep them so we don't have the same history of racial segregation. Or of genocide.

From my perspective much of Trump's actual policies are disturbingly familiar to that of prior administrations. The main difference between him and Obama is that he is too intellectually deficient to cover up the truth with fine rhetoric.

The eurofascist parties are mainly held in check by the electoral systems of those countries. Trump did not secure a majority: he had to rely on the fact that a white guy's vote essentially counts for more than that of an ethnic minority. I suspect if we had similar systems here eurofascists would be winning power already.
02-17-2017 , 07:21 AM
Thought Trump talked a lot of sense in the press conference. He's basically in the right.

Watched the full 77 minutes.
02-17-2017 , 08:01 AM
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Four score and seven years ago our fathers brought forth on this continent, a new nation, conceived in Liberty, and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal.

Now we are engaged in a great civil war, testing whether that nation, or any nation so conceived and so dedicated, can long endure. We are met on a great battle-field of that war. We have come to dedicate a portion of that field, as a final resting place for those who here gave their lives that that nation might live. It is altogether fitting and proper that we should do this.

But, in a larger sense, we can not dedicate—we can not consecrate—we can not hallow—this ground. The brave men, living and dead, who struggled here, have consecrated it, far above our poor power to add or detract. The world will little note, nor long remember what we say here, but it can never forget what they did here. It is for us the living, rather, to be dedicated here to the unfinished work which they who fought here have thus far so nobly advanced. It is rather for us to be here dedicated to the great task remaining before us—that from these honored dead we take increased devotion to that cause for which they gave the last full measure of devotion—that we here highly resolve that these dead shall not have died in vain—that this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom—and that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth.
Abraham Lincoln - President of the USA 1861 - 1865




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No, no. I do that. Here's the thing. OK. I understand what you're -- and you're right about that, except this. See, I know when I should get good and when I should get bad. And sometimes I'll say, "Wow, that's going to be a great story." And I'll get killed ...

But I know what's good. I know what's bad. And when they change it and make it really bad, something that should be positive -- sometimes something that should be very positive, they'll make OK. They'll even make it negative.
Donald Trump - President of the USA 2017 - ?

You guys have really come a long way.
02-17-2017 , 08:25 AM
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Originally Posted by LordJvK
Thought Trump talked a lot of sense in the press conference.
lol of course you did pogger
02-17-2017 , 08:45 AM
Probably the scariest part of the press conference (among many), was when Trump said how much Americans would love it if he blew the Russian spy ship out of the water.

a) no, Americans with functioning brain cells wouldn't love it
b) this guy is 100% motivated by receiving adulation. So there is little doubt that he is capable of doing some truly horrific s***, especially when all the negativity and criticism gets to be too much, to get everyone to "like" him again.
02-17-2017 , 08:54 AM
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Originally Posted by revots33
Probably the scariest part of the press conference (among many), was when Trump said how much Americans would love it if he blew the Russian spy ship out of the water.

a) no, Americans with functioning brain cells wouldn't love it
b) this guy is 100% motivated by receiving adulation. So there is little doubt that he is capable of doing some truly horrific s***, especially when all the negativity and criticism gets to be too much, to get everyone to "like" him again.
I was surprised that more wasn't made of that tbh. Then again, it's hard to know where to focus with so much b/s in one session.
02-17-2017 , 09:20 AM
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Originally Posted by revots33
Probably the scariest part of the press conference (among many), was when Trump said how much Americans would love it if he blew the Russian spy ship out of the water.

a) no, Americans with functioning brain cells wouldn't love it
b) this guy is 100% motivated by receiving adulation. So there is little doubt that he is capable of doing some truly horrific s***, especially when all the negativity and criticism gets to be too much, to get everyone to "like" him again.
revots:

I'm afraid your assessment is accurate. The real danger in having a narcissist like Trump in office - and in control of the world's largest and most powerful military - is what happens when he faces a real foreign policy crisis?

During that 77 minute ramble-thon he made stream-of-consciousness remarks about uranium, nuclear weapons, and North Korea. I'm not predicting this, (because thinking about the consequences is truly grim), but I wouldn't be surprised if Trump orders a military strike against North Korea. I can envision a scenario where he begins to feel so isolated and so besieged (here in the United States) that ordering an attack against NK - "... to remove the threat of nuclear attack against the United States" - begins to increasingly make sense to him. With the way he thinks, he'll likely convince himself that the bold action of striking NK will make him overwhelmingly "popular" again.

This is the kind of thinking (and mindset) that creates more problems than it solves. It's the same kind of thinking that got us into the Iraq mess.
02-17-2017 , 09:24 AM
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Originally Posted by RV Life
Been hearing multiple things tonight and I'm starting to agree.

That account is just some dude and Bannon and Trump have, between them, maybe like a 180 IQ.
02-17-2017 , 09:27 AM
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Originally Posted by SeeTheMirage
"-Trump's not a serious candidate

-Trump will be out by October

-Trump will never win a single primary

-Trump has a ceiling of 25%

-Trump has a ceiling of 30%

-Trump has a ceiling of 35%

-Trump has a ceiling of 45%

-Trump will never win the south


-Trump can't win with evangelicals

-Trump will never be accepted by the party

-Trump will never be the nominee

-Trump will never win the general

-The electors will reject Trump despite his election win

-Trump will definitely be impeached any day now <-------You are here

-Trump can't really build a wall

-Trump can't extend Hillary's prison sentence to 120 years

-Trump can't negotiate the release of Half Life 3

-Trump can't expect the President of China to sign an unconditional surrender on the deck of the USS Nimitz

-Trump cannot get re-elected

-Trump can't be the fifth face on Mount Rushmore

-Trump can't be all five faces on Mount Trumpmore

-Trump can't run and win the 3rd term, can he?"
wut

<3 daddy so much, he'll make em go away!
02-17-2017 , 09:39 AM
02-17-2017 , 09:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Huehuecoyotl
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And Americans need to be fine with that, because as much as many of us do not want this president to get the credit for the work of others, defeating the Islamic State is a national good that should be bigger than politics. And Democrats will do well to remember that the Obama administration could not have done what it did in Iraq and Syria without the support of a Republican-led Congress.

Victory has a thousand fathers—the loudest and orangest of which will be the president. But victory still beats defeat.
USA #1

Can't wait for Him to stroll into the Rose Garden in Primetime and strut His stuff when al-Baghdadi is dead, Raqqa is taken back and ISIS destroyed.

We should all be happy on that day.
02-17-2017 , 09:51 AM
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Originally Posted by awval999
USA #1

Can't wait for Him to stroll into the Rose Garden in Primetime and strut His stuff when al-Baghdadi is dead, Raqqa is taken back and ISIS destroyed.

We should all be happy on that day.
#TrumpPsalms
02-17-2017 , 09:54 AM
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Originally Posted by LordJvK
Thought Trump talked a lot of sense in the press conference. He's basically in the right.

Watched the full 77 minutes.
Vacuous post just in case anyone had the illusion you're not trolling ITT. Thanks for removing all doubt.

People should expend no significant effort discussing with you. It would be wasted.
02-17-2017 , 09:55 AM
So, I'm seeing reports that the reason all qualified people are preemptively refusing to serve as Trump's NSA is that Trump refuses to allow them to bring in their own people to replace Flynn's underlings, including K.T. McFarland. That strikes me as extremely weird. Maybe it's just Trump being Trump, but it's hard to see a rational reason why Trump would be willing to get publicly rejected by Harwood out of loyalty to a nobody like K.T. McFarland. One possible explanation is that McFarland (and maybe others) know where bodies are buried and have to be kept loyal since they don't have felony false-statement charges hanging over their heads.
02-17-2017 , 09:57 AM
Is there anything Trump could do that would cause you to stop supporting him?

That ^^^^^^^ question has gotten me further with Trumpsters than anything else.
02-17-2017 , 09:57 AM
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Originally Posted by revots33
Probably the scariest part of the press conference (among many), was when Trump said how much Americans would love it if he blew the Russian spy ship out of the water.

a) no, Americans with functioning brain cells wouldn't love it
b) this guy is 100% motivated by receiving adulation. So there is little doubt that he is capable of doing some truly horrific s***, especially when all the negativity and criticism gets to be too much, to get everyone to "like" him again.
He was like "everyone wants me to be tough but then if i shoot their ship I will hear I've gone too far and get yelled at".

Yeah no ****. There are levels of escalation.
02-17-2017 , 09:59 AM
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Originally Posted by awval999
USA #1

Can't wait for Him to stroll into the Rose Garden in Primetime and strut His stuff when al-Baghdadi is dead, Raqqa is taken back and ISIS destroyed.

We should all be happy on that day.
02-17-2017 , 10:02 AM
Your sober reminder for today. So far, Trump is the most popular President to Republicans in a long time.

02-17-2017 , 10:14 AM
Regardless of any views on Trump or his policies, will people at least admit that the campaign against him is transparent to the point of being embrarrassing?
02-17-2017 , 10:21 AM


GOP voters, man.
02-17-2017 , 10:22 AM
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Originally Posted by LordJvK
Regardless of any views on Trump or his policies, will people at least admit that the campaign against him is transparent to the point of being embrarrassing?
I agree that the campaign against him is very transparent. We dont hide that we think his incompetemce, racism, conflicts of interest and lack of knowledge and decision making skills make him unfit for office. How is it embarrasing to want to have someone fired who clearly sucks at his job?

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02-17-2017 , 10:23 AM
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Originally Posted by LordJvK
Regardless of any views on Trump or his policies, will people at least admit that the campaign against him is transparent to the point of being embrarrassing?
Yes, there is a campaign against him. Mostly because he is perceived as a threat to our democracy and to our alliances around the world.

Can you admit that he and his team has obvious ties to Russia? Can you admit that he is an obvious scammer? Can you admit that he laundered money through his failed casinos?

https://www.fincen.gov/news/news-rel...icant-and-long
02-17-2017 , 10:25 AM
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Originally Posted by LordJvK
Regardless of any views on Trump or his policies, will people at least admit that the campaign against him is transparent to the point of being embrarrassing?
What do you mean by transparent? It is clear that the campaign against Trump is because people think Trump is dangerously incompetent. Yes that is clear.

      
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