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02-16-2017 , 06:55 PM
I dont know anyone on fox but this shep smith has a spine or something

https://twitter.com/SteveKopack/stat...37307466334211
02-16-2017 , 06:57 PM
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Robert Harward turns down Trump’s national security offer
President is trying to convince ex Navy Seal to change his mind on White House role
this just in?

is financial times a good source?
02-16-2017 , 06:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Inso0
What is the line of rhetoric if the actual conversation gets leaked and it turns out Flynn didn't actually talk about sanctions with the ambassador?

Because with so many alleged sources, I think it's inevitable that someone is going to leak the actual audio or at least a transcript at some point.

If the line about Flynn being innocent of any actual violations is true, the White House should do it themselves, imo.
Why do you think he lied to the FBI (a felony) and to the Vice President about innocent conversations? I mean, I'm sure there's a reason, just curious about what you think the most likely one is.
02-16-2017 , 06:59 PM
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Originally Posted by kypreanus
The narrative is that Conway is full of sh** and nothing worhtwhile reporting happened in Bowling Green and that refugee vetting is bad idea, unconsitutional and unamerican.

Lies of omission are still lies.

"In 2009, per an ABC News exclusive report, two Al-Qaeda terrorists from Iraq moved to the United States and settled in Bowling Green by posing as refugees through the refugee program. "

The refugee vetting is flawed, and the media don't wanna admit that Trump is doing the right thing regarding it.

http://ijr.com/opinion/2017/02/26384...fts-narrative/

so you are trying to spin this as the bowling green massacre was a thing and not completely fabricated by KAC?

you are dumb sir
02-16-2017 , 07:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Coasterbrad
http://www.vox.com/2017/2/16/1464077...quotes-presser

Reading his answers is insane. How is this person the president?
Holy ****. I didn't see transcript of the end. I thought the "you're black so you must know the CBC" line in here was parody.

But no, he pretty much said exactly that.
02-16-2017 , 07:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson
It’s all fake news. It’s all fake news. The nice thing is, I see it starting to turn, where people are now looking at the illegal — I think it’s very important — the illegal, giving out classified information. It was — and let me just tell you, it was given out like so much.
Trump talks like autocomplete.
02-16-2017 , 07:02 PM
"I took her out furniture... I moved on her like a b****. But I couldn’t get there. And she was married."
02-16-2017 , 07:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Kirbynator
I dont know anyone on fox but this shep smith has a spine or something

https://twitter.com/SteveKopack/stat...37307466334211
Shep is the only decent thing on Fox. He sometimes bows down to those who overpower him with bull**** in his 1 on 1 interviews, but his behind the desk person to camera segments are almost always pretty fair.
02-16-2017 , 07:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Inso0
What is the line of rhetoric if the actual conversation gets leaked and it turns out Flynn didn't actually talk about sanctions with the ambassador?

Because with so many alleged sources, I think it's inevitable that someone is going to leak the actual audio or at least a transcript at some point.

If the line about Flynn being innocent of any actual violations is true, the White House should do it themselves, imo.
The only options here are:

A - Flynn discussed sanctions, Pence knew all about it but is claiming that Flynn did this without authorisation then denied it and therefore lied.
B - Flynn discussed sanctions, lied to Pence and said he didn't.
C - Flynn never discussed sanctions, told Pence the truth.
D - Flynn never discussed sanctions, lied to Pence and falsely claimed he did discuss sanctions because reasons.

You're saying it's C or D. If it's C, he has no reason to either resign or be sacked. If it's D, this is a weird reality.

Everyone else is saying it's either A or B. I would personally bet good money on A.
02-16-2017 , 07:04 PM
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Originally Posted by DVaut1
This is fair. It's also true we don't know the precise source of the leaks. And to Fly's point -- namely, why doesn't Trump just dismiss it all as a lie -- presumably even by Trump's own ham-handed admissions, the leaks are true. So the strategy has, to some extent, gotten even Trump to admit the outlines of the facts in ways he might not have had it simply been the Democrats pitching a fit.

Still, though, it feels like a highly disreputable way to bring down a government. The argument as you formulate it here is basically that the climate of the country is so partisan that the GOP delegation, the Democratic delegation in Congress (at least the ones that get briefed) and the IC -- or some combination of them -- are colluding to systemically leak to damage the WH.

That is of course entirely better, in some respects, than a few mid-level IC agents taking it upon themselves to determine which bits of information are worthy of leaking and which politicians to embarrass. But you have to wonder aloud about our national health that this is being left to subterfuge and innuendo. I mean examine it in the meta: we're co-opted at the highest level of government by a foreign power and the counter-insurgency is being left to anonymous leaks because of the perceived political fallout if not failure of the strategy from a more transparent tact? Like we have some kind of broad consensus and highly credible evidence our President is under the undue influence of a foreign autocrat but better slow walk this via our contacts at the WaPo, Mom and Pop Angry Midwesterner might get the wrong idea from Fox News and InfoWars if we're a little too aggressive here, and we need to give the GOP political cover for this.
Here is the thing, treason is essentially a crime determined by the public. There is little precedent for it because most administrations don't even come ****ing close to the line. Trump today admitted that Flynn discussed sanctions with Russia. He also didn't deny that his team was in constant contact with Russia throughout the campaign, pretty much an admission from a guy who lies about everything. We also know that Russia illegally hacked Democrats and leaked it in a way to benefit Trump, with Trump's explicit public endorsement.

All the dots are there for treason, its just that prosecuting treason is a political process. Its almost so by definition, after all who is going to determine who are our "enemies"? The IC community is giving us, the public, the information to decide whether we will prosecute this case of treason. Trump is banking on his intuition, which is almost certainly correct, that vast majority of Rs are fine with him doing whatever it took to win and will excuse anything short documented suitcases of cash exchanging hands.

Note that Russia made considerable expenditures supporting his campaign and that Trump is taking the opportunity of Presidency to enrich himself in plain sight. That is all okay though. Again, it will take suitcases of cash for Rs to bedgrudingly say "you got us this time." Anything short of that is "don't hate the playa, hate the game."
02-16-2017 , 07:06 PM
02-16-2017 , 07:06 PM
https://action.trump2016.com/trump-mms-survey/

Trump sent this survey to his supporters today. About a quarter of the Q's are essentially "did the media report not enough of how great I am?"
02-16-2017 , 07:10 PM
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Originally Posted by kypreanus
So much hate. Take a chill pill. I remember your avatar from 10 years ago. Times were better. How's poker these days, still playing?

You don't see conservatives going crazy over silly headlines, and fakes news like this

http://www.dailywire.com/news/13294/...ght-john-nolte
The following say hi:

Death panels
Gun confiscation
Obama's birth certificate
FEMA camps
Welfare queens
Emails
Spirit cooking

and that's just to name a few.

Lol @u
02-16-2017 , 07:10 PM
The biggest problem with the hysteria now--on the chance that the russia connections aren't as deep as many think or nothing else can be proven from here--it's gonna be very difficult to unseat trump. Everything will change. He'd love nothing more than to use that to crush say CNN/MSNBC from existence.
02-16-2017 , 07:13 PM
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Originally Posted by master3004
Holy ****. I didn't see transcript of the end. I thought the "you're black so you must know the CBC" line in here was parody.

But no, he pretty much said exactly that.
I wouldn't go that far. I mean, there is no need to put words in his mouth when he says so much verbatim that hurt him on his own. I don't see it being helpful to infer racism on things like the above.
02-16-2017 , 07:13 PM
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Originally Posted by DeroDeniro
Trump talking again about how many electoral votes he got. There's no way this rambling guy is president. I refuse to believe it.
I go through this denial phase almost every day.
02-16-2017 , 07:14 PM
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Originally Posted by wheatrich
https://action.trump2016.com/trump-mms-survey/

Trump sent this survey to his supporters today. About a quarter of the Q's are essentially "did the media report not enough of how great I am?"
Jfc.
02-16-2017 , 07:17 PM
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Originally Posted by MrWookie
Almost certainly that they now consider the actual probabilities now to be well out of line compared to what had been posted, and that things are changing too fast for them to reasonably post a new line.
The actual probabilities don't matter as much as where the money is being bet. A sports book wants the odds to be such that an equal amount of people are betting on both sides (adjusting for the payout) so that no matter which side wins, the house makes money because of the vig. Right now too many people are betting on one side at the odds they currently have posted and they can't keep up with it fast enough to get action on the other side. Anyone want to bed which side is getting too much action?
02-16-2017 , 07:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Inso0
What is the line of rhetoric if the actual conversation gets leaked and it turns out Flynn didn't actually talk about sanctions with the ambassador?

Because with so many alleged sources, I think it's inevitable that someone is going to leak the actual audio or at least a transcript at some point.

If the line about Flynn being innocent of any actual violations is true, the White House should do it themselves, imo.
You missed your talking points today. New line is Flynn talked about sanctions but that was perfectly fine, it was his job actually. The problem is that Flynn lied to his own VP about talking about the sanctions with Russia, which again was a good thing.

In summary, we should be thanking Flynn for doing such a brilliant job in dealing with Russia, the issue is that he was so humble that he lied about doing such a great job. And that is totally unacceptable, so he had to go.

Yes, we are this far down the rabbit hole.
02-16-2017 , 07:20 PM
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Originally Posted by dinopoker
The following say hi:

Death panels
Gun confiscation
Obama's birth certificate
FEMA camps
Welfare queens
Emails
Spirit cooking

and that's just to name a few.

Lol @u
-pope endorsed trump
-hillary has alzheimers
-pizzagate
-wikileaks are huge real news every day and it isn't being reported bec of liberal media bias (this is the line they went to the media companies with, claiming to be actual viewers when in fact they cut the cord years ago and get most of their news from internet). squeaky wheel got the grease
02-16-2017 , 07:22 PM
Jesus people, look at his behavior. He is a pathological liar and even he won't issue a blanket denial. He is guilty as hell. Also, hes ****ing ******ed. Any kind of actual investigation will uncover his guilt.
02-16-2017 , 07:24 PM
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Originally Posted by CalledDownLight
You're clearly a troll which is why you get banned. I've gone in on Elizabeth Warren plenty of times over the course of several years without getting banned. I've even engaged in pages long debates about her and gotten off without so much as a warning. Calling out Elizabeth Warren is not punishable around here, but trolling and general buffoonery is. Hope this helps.
Well, you manage to talk about issues and not link right wing hate sites. Weird how that seems to make a large difference.
02-16-2017 , 07:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Inso0
What is the line of rhetoric if the actual conversation gets leaked and it turns out Flynn didn't actually talk about sanctions with the ambassador?

Because with so many alleged sources, I think it's inevitable that someone is going to leak the actual audio or at least a transcript at some point.

If the line about Flynn being innocent of any actual violations is true, the White House should do it themselves, imo.
the new line would be that the serial liar, guy who purposely makes his business deals as opaque as possible while writing off billion dollar personal income losses per fiscal year from his own taxes (which he claimed in the debate is proof that he's smart), told the truth about how he fired a loyal friend who is a good man, for lying about something that was totally legal.

and that multiple domestic and foreign intelligence agencies are all lying to the free press, globally, in order to make putin seem like a bad guy

Last edited by ScreaminAsian; 02-16-2017 at 07:50 PM.
02-16-2017 , 07:25 PM
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Originally Posted by master3004
Holy ****. I didn't see transcript of the end. I thought the "you're black so you must know the CBC" line in here was parody.

But no, he pretty much said exactly that.
I still don't believe it. I think if I watched it I would flip out.
02-16-2017 , 07:26 PM
Which online sources do you use? (Select as many that apply.)
Drudge Report
Breitbart
National Review
Weekly Standard
Free Beacon
Daily Caller
American Spectator
Red Alert Politics
Other

LOL?

      
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