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02-16-2017 , 06:09 PM
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Originally Posted by kypreanus
People can call Trump a nazi here and not get banned

Then if I call out Elizabeth Warren on her native heritage, like the CNN correspondent did, I get banned. Which one is worse?

If I disagree with you, you ask for facts and arguments, and once I provide them I get banned to all of those for spamming and posting too many links

You guys can't have it both ways
You're clearly a troll which is why you get banned. I've gone in on Elizabeth Warren plenty of times over the course of several years without getting banned. I've even engaged in pages long debates about her and gotten off without so much as a warning. Calling out Elizabeth Warren is not punishable around here, but trolling and general buffoonery is. Hope this helps.
02-16-2017 , 06:14 PM


Come on, guy.
02-16-2017 , 06:14 PM
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Originally Posted by goofyballer
How's your reading ability? Where did I say that the link said that the Bowling green massacre happened?

Read my post again, please.
The narrative is that Conway is full of sh** and nothing worhtwhile reporting happened in Bowling Green and that refugee vetting is bad idea, unconsitutional and unamerican.

Lies of omission are still lies.

"In 2009, per an ABC News exclusive report, two Al-Qaeda terrorists from Iraq moved to the United States and settled in Bowling Green by posing as refugees through the refugee program. "

The refugee vetting is flawed, and the media don't wanna admit that Trump is doing the right thing regarding it.

http://ijr.com/opinion/2017/02/26384...fts-narrative/
02-16-2017 , 06:18 PM
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Originally Posted by kypreanus
The narrative is that Conway is full of sh** and nothing worhtwhile reporting happened in Bowling Green
Hahaha, you're lying. Here's the Washington Post reporting on Kellyanne and the Bowling Green Massacre.

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It appeared initially that Conway was referring to two Iraqi citizens living in Bowling Green who were arrested in 2011 and eventually sentenced to federal prison for attempting to send weapons and money to al-Qaeda in Iraq for the purpose of killing U.S. soldiers, according to a statement from the Justice Department.
Zero omission. Your Dailywire article is lying out of its ass suggesting that nobody talked about it, just like you are now. Get your weak **** out of here. Pathetic.
02-16-2017 , 06:21 PM
every medias ive heard talk about Conway's blunder also mentionned what she might have meant.

zzZZz trump voters
02-16-2017 , 06:23 PM
After that press conference surely we can conclude Trumpnis the stupidest president of all time at this point, right?
02-16-2017 , 06:24 PM
This kind of outrage is pretty common with Hillary supporters.

There's one thing you don't agree with and then the other person is an idiot and whole publication is trash, and you should be silenced.

The future fascists will call themselves antifascists

Perhaps you should unite behind Elizabeth Warren. It would be sweet.
02-16-2017 , 06:26 PM
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Originally Posted by kypreanus
The refugee vetting is flawed, and the media don't wanna admit that Trump is doing the right thing regarding it.
Let's take your facts at face value and say two al Qaeda operatives were able to get past the vetting and get in. According to this probably ****ty but good enough for my lazy example link, 437,829 refugees came to the US from 2009 to mid 2015.

0.00045679934403614194% of refugees are terrorists, and that's enough to shut down any kind of movement from 7 seemingly randomly chosen Muslim countries but still allow people from countries that actually had terrorists come to the US.

Pants on head ******ed, not to mention hilariously cowardly from the tough guy party.
02-16-2017 , 06:26 PM
ever wonder why the whole outside world sees trump as a massive joke and an embarassment for the states? I mean, except russian nationalists that see Trump as their hero (interesting?)

Weird, that none of them could vote for Clinton yet are still laughing
02-16-2017 , 06:26 PM
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Originally Posted by kypreanus
There's one thing you don't agree with and then the other person is an idiot and whole publication is trash, and you should be silenced.
Dude two seconds ago you were defending this **** by lying about it, maybe it's not about lefties disagreeing with you and more about you being a completely dishonest hack! Take this as a learning experience and try to be a little less dumb in the future, maybe?
02-16-2017 , 06:28 PM
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Originally Posted by bobman0330
There's a political angle to this. As you know, the only way Trump gets impeached is if Republicans decide to do it. Conceivably it's much more difficult for them to pull the trigger if it's Democrats explicitly sourcing the damning information on Trump. It makes is more partisan, whereas if it's anonymous leaks showing up in the newspaper, it's Trump vs the nonpartisan (or even R-leaning) intelligence community. Not sure that those kind of calculations are really driving anyone, and it doesn't make the harms to democracy any milder, but it's something to think about.
This is fair. It's also true we don't know the precise source of the leaks. And to Fly's point -- namely, why doesn't Trump just dismiss it all as a lie -- presumably even by Trump's own ham-handed admissions, the leaks are true. So the strategy has, to some extent, gotten even Trump to admit the outlines of the facts in ways he might not have had it simply been the Democrats pitching a fit.

Still, though, it feels like a highly disreputable way to bring down a government. The argument as you formulate it here is basically that the climate of the country is so partisan that the GOP delegation, the Democratic delegation in Congress (at least the ones that get briefed) and the IC -- or some combination of them -- are colluding to systemically leak to damage the WH.

That is of course entirely better, in some respects, than a few mid-level IC agents taking it upon themselves to determine which bits of information are worthy of leaking and which politicians to embarrass. But you have to wonder aloud about our national health that this is being left to subterfuge and innuendo. I mean examine it in the meta: we're co-opted at the highest level of government by a foreign power and the counter-insurgency is being left to anonymous leaks because of the perceived political fallout if not failure of the strategy from a more transparent tact? Like we have some kind of broad consensus and highly credible evidence our President is under the undue influence of a foreign autocrat but better slow walk this via our contacts at the WaPo, Mom and Pop Angry Midwesterner might get the wrong idea from Fox News and InfoWars if we're a little too aggressive here, and we need to give the GOP political cover for this.

I guess all I can say is it must be nice to be a GOP Congressman in this scenario. Look at how far the world bends to your will, operates singularly to ensure your political standing remains stable. Sure Trump is co-opted by a foreign power and endangers us all, but we really need to bend-over backward with Rube Goldberg public relations schemes to let the public know slowly so as not to make AM radio hosts and Bill O'Reilly reflexively leap to Trump's defense or GOP Congressmen might just bail on the whole country and leave it to Trump's whims. I realize this is likely an entirely likely scenario for the empirical reality here but for FFS, these people, never has a party that enjoyed so little actual popularity acquired so much power and so much dismissal or downgrade of literally every national priority to ensure their best interests first and foremost. First we give the GOP Congresscritters the ability to circle the wagons, and then maybe America gets to be safe and secure from our corrupted President if we can really give them the political safe space to operate in, they might act on this, just maybe, if we're nice.

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02-16-2017 , 06:29 PM
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Originally Posted by markksman
So the Washington Post is reporting Flynn told the FBI he did not discuss sanctions with the Russian Ambassador.
month ago they said flynn didn't say anything illegal

yesterday they said they will not press charges

today we found out flynn committed a felony, lying to the fbi investigators


THE FBI DIRECTOR HAS ZERO CREDIBILITY
02-16-2017 , 06:31 PM
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Originally Posted by master3004
congratulate your father. Forgive him. Bring him into the fold.
Well no not really. He thinks republicans ****ed up by not nominating Cruz. It's progress I suppose.
02-16-2017 , 06:31 PM
FBI director intentionally tries to change the election and possibly succeeded--somehow he still has his job.
dems e-mails get dumped on wiki leaks also influencing election

but now people are outraged that leaks are happening and we should punish the leakers.

Standard.
02-16-2017 , 06:31 PM
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Originally Posted by otatop
Let's take your facts at face value and say two al Qaeda operatives were able to get past the vetting and get in. According to this probably ****ty but good enough for my lazy example link, 437,829 refugees came to the US from 2009 to mid 2015.

0.00045679934403614194% of refugees are terrorists, and that's enough to shut down any kind of movement from 7 seemingly randomly chosen Muslim countries but still allow people from countries that actually had terrorists come to the US.

Pants on head ******ed, not to mention hilariously cowardly from the tough guy party.
This. No society is perfect with regard to terrorism. A vetting program with this small of an error is absolutely incredible. What percent of American born citizens of all races are terrorists? What about just white American born citizens? I would be surprised if these weren't actually higher than the amount of refugees that are terrorists. If that's the case then we are actually decreasing the percent of the population that is a terrorist by letting these refugees in.
02-16-2017 , 06:32 PM
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Originally Posted by will1530
Well no not really. He thinks republicans ****ed up by not nominating Cruz. It's progress I suppose.
Ah... baby steps then.
02-16-2017 , 06:34 PM
At some point the two parties will have to reach an agreement of some sort to let Pence or Ryan lead the US for 3.5 years with some extra leeway from Dems. Republican values might be terrible in my view, but they are in the realm of legitimate views.

Your president is flat out crazy. He's not conservative, he's not republican, he has no political ideology except survival. This isn't a one-of-a-kind phenomena. He's just a dictator who is interested in dictating and must be impeached for the sake of the entire world. **** obamacare or gun rights. Give me President Ryan. Just get that psycho out of there.
02-16-2017 , 06:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Yuv
At some point the two parties will have to reach an agreement of some sort to let Pence or Ryan lead the US for 3.5 years with some extra leeway from Dems. Republican values might be terrible in my view, but they are in the realm of legitimate views.

Your president is flat out crazy. He's not conservative, he's not republican, he has no political ideology except survival. This isn't a one-of-a-kind phenomena. He's just a dictator who is interested in dictating and must be impeached for the sake of the entire world. **** obamacare or gun rights. Give me President Ryan. Just get that psycho out of there.
I would argue that not all Republican values are in the legitimate realm. Specifically that their social values often fall outside that realm and are not acceptable. I do believe that their tax, trade, geopolitical, regulatory, and most other views are within the realm of reason even if I don't find them agreeable.

I do however agree that this outcome would be much better.
02-16-2017 , 06:37 PM
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Originally Posted by CalledDownLight
This. No society is perfect with regard to terrorism. A vetting program with this small of an error is absolutely incredible. What percent of American born citizens of all races are terrorists? What about just white American born citizens? I would be surprised if these weren't actually higher than the amount of refugees that are terrorists. If that's the case then we are actually decreasing the percent of the population that is a terrorist by letting these refugees in.
I've seen numbers that violent crime is lower among both refugees and undocumented immigrants. It makes intuitive sense, too.

And on terrorism, yeah. It might even still be lower among refugees than natural-born citizens if you accept the media and govt bull**** that people like Dylann Roof aren't terrorists.

I can't believe we didn't have campaign commercials or, hell, even new media headlines, during the campaign that said WE ALREADY HAVE EXTREME VETTING, AND IT'S REALLY ****ING EXTREME. DON'T BE SO GULLIBLE.

I think the weakass Dems would have stood on the principle that they can't say that because it would just legitimize more fears or something dumb like that. Would have stood on that even if they weren't so sure they'd win
02-16-2017 , 06:40 PM
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Originally Posted by bobman0330
He was being investigated for this exact thing pre-inauguration, so there is probably a false statement headshot in there somewhere.
Confirmed false statements to FBI:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...=.c1521a08a698
02-16-2017 , 06:45 PM
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Originally Posted by ScreaminAsian
month ago they said flynn didn't say anything illegal

yesterday they said they will not press charges

today we found out flynn committed a felony, lying to the fbi investigators
What is the line of rhetoric if the actual conversation gets leaked and it turns out Flynn didn't actually talk about sanctions with the ambassador?

Because with so many alleged sources, I think it's inevitable that someone is going to leak the actual audio or at least a transcript at some point.

If the line about Flynn being innocent of any actual violations is true, the White House should do it themselves, imo.
02-16-2017 , 06:48 PM
What do you mean? He literally got fired for admitting he lied to Pence about it.
02-16-2017 , 06:51 PM
http://www.vox.com/2017/2/16/1464077...quotes-presser

Reading his answers is insane. How is this person the president?
02-16-2017 , 06:53 PM
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Originally Posted by kypreanus
This kind of outrage is pretty common with Hillary supporters.

There's one thing you don't agree with and then the other person is an idiot and whole publication is trash, and you should be silenced.

The future fascists will call themselves antifascists

Perhaps you should unite behind Elizabeth Warren. It would be sweet.
Is this performance art at this point? Trump just gave an hour long speech mostly consisting of how everyone in the media are idiots except Fox and Friends and they should be doing fluff stories about him.
02-16-2017 , 06:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Inso0
What is the line of rhetoric if the actual conversation gets leaked and it turns out Flynn didn't actually talk about sanctions with the ambassador?

Because with so many alleged sources, I think it's inevitable that someone is going to leak the actual audio or at least a transcript at some point.

If the line about Flynn being innocent of any actual violations is true, the White House should do it themselves, imo.
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