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05-23-2018 , 11:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Gramps
Well, back to the original question. What is the view here of the 16-month Horowitz IG investigation and how is it going to play into all this Election/Russia/FBI buzz? They've been leaking out text messages b/n FBI agents for months, and a federal prosecutor has been assigned for any criminal referrals (the IG can only make a criminal referral, not prosecute).

I presume the IG has the authority to refer for prosecution most of Team Trump this way as well, but don't hear any Dems filling in their "view" of what the IG reports will be all about (certainly plenty of Trumpers with all sorts of ideas). Seems like a pretty big investigation that mostly gets ignored by the media.
fbi ny office was leaking **** to giuliani during the campaign and overall they were way too hard on hillary
05-23-2018 , 11:12 PM
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Originally Posted by grizy
Every NFL player should salute the flag during the anthem AND take a knee.

This is stupid. Let them take the god damn knee.

If players can't afford that (possible for the poorer ones), then just follow the letter of the rule and have the whole damn team stay in the locker room, every single game. But that may actually be harder. Defying God-dell with even half, or maybe less, of the players kneeling on the field every game will be enough to make it a PR disaster for him to fine players.
Teams get fined not the players actually.
05-23-2018 , 11:17 PM
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Originally Posted by adios
Teams get fined not the players actually.
And teams are allowed to discipline players for it. Try harder with your trolling.
05-23-2018 , 11:17 PM
I think teams are free to pass fines along to players.
05-23-2018 , 11:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Huehuecoyotl
As Elizabeth Bruneig said forced respect isn't respect at all but a simulation of respect made for consumption
It's worse than that. It's pissing on everything the flag and anthem are supposed to represent. Forced participation is 100x more disrespectful than anything players have done.
05-23-2018 , 11:54 PM
The NFL is inviting an insurrection, which they probably win in the end, but not without a lot of damage to their precious brand. Maybe they're boxed in by the president and their fans but they're also dicks and this is the dick move so "we'll see what happens!"
05-24-2018 , 12:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Habsfan09
So bets on which player will the first to go after a fine on purpose. Would be a really nice opportunity for a player (even better a star qb) come on there on the first game, kneel and then retire.
I'd take Marshawn Lynch. He's old enough to retire and say a big **** you to Goodell on the way out.
05-24-2018 , 12:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Rococo
In other words, he makes these posts not because he is a secret Trumpkin, but rather because he enjoys publicly proving (at least to his own satisfaction) that he is smarter and more intellectually honest than the people in the group I just described.

And when people question whether David has actually proved that he is smarter and more intellectually honest, he usually responds by accusing them of misreading either the intent or the actual words of his posts.
Luckily for us, he is like the 33rd smartest person that has ever posted in this thread.
05-24-2018 , 01:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Gramps
Lol, the idea that Mueller's whole investigation is, in reality, a distraction/fake from a DOJ/IG investigation has some credibilty IMO (right or wrong in the long run). We'll see.

I've read all the Trumpville versions of Horowitz/Huber, I just don't see much (or any) counter-explanation from the anti-Trump crowd who still believe Mueller is going to deliver the Team Trump indictments, etc.
Trump’s campaign chairman’s trial starts July 10
05-24-2018 , 01:56 AM
How much are the fines?
05-24-2018 , 01:57 AM
If I had a nickel for every time an elite said "Here's a great idea I picked up from a clever poster on an online gambling forum," I'd pray it was a 1913 Liberty Head nickel.
05-24-2018 , 01:58 AM
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Originally Posted by ChrisV
What is like 99% to happen is that NK will make some entirely cosmetic concession and Trump will declare victory and proclaim it the best deal in the history of deals.
Yup. He might lose on the deal and claim he won.

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Originally Posted by champstark


lol CNN, "stunning victory for Trump" GTFO
It kind of is in a way. He was the one pushing this issue harder than anybody else. Of course he didn't do it for jingoistic reasons. He did it because he hates the NFL for refusing to let him buy a football team God knows how many years ago.

Also it's clickbaity. Deplorables click on it to see their God's victory and liberals click on it for anger porn.

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Originally Posted by microbet
I used to have the West Wingy reaction to that football stuff that no real patriot would cheer the suppression of political speech. It's sham patriotism in America that rallies around the flag and the anthem. Trumpkinism cured me of that. Patriotism just flat out sucks in all cases everywhere. The irony here is that people aren't being forced to kneel. In this case standing is bowing down.
Very true. I've always found the faux patriotism to be super kitschy and shallow. The truth is that the whole support the troops thing is shallow from every imaginable angle. It's nothing but lip service from everybody.

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Originally Posted by uke_master
delusion of grandeur eh?

I just love how every ****ing conversation about DS results in his professing just how creative and logical he thinks he is. Every time. That's his number 1 worldview. That he is so deluded he thinks elites might read and publicize his self proclaimed creative logical explanations as he gets routinely and rightly mocked on an internet forum is just so A+++
Kind of amazing. If he was really that smart, he'd be posting these remarkable theories and thought experiments in places where academics could discover his supposed brilliance. Maybe he'd try to submit an academic paper to a journal if he was that smart. Instead, he gets mocked on his own forum by posting these brilliant ideas where anybody else can snatch them as their own.

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Originally Posted by markksman
It is pretty insane in 2018 we have not standardized voting from home for almost all elections. I do not know what the legitimate arguments are because anyone who has voted knows it is not some kind of Secure Enclave with in person voting.

I assume it comes from the racist voter Id law place.
About a month after I moved to a new apartment in Scotland, I received a voter registration form in the mail which included the option to mail my ballot directly to me when elections are held. It's pretty easy to do.

Another thing would be to move Election Day to Sunday like they have in Spain.

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Originally Posted by zikzak
It's worse than that. It's pissing on everything the flag and anthem are supposed to represent. Forced participation is 100x more disrespectful than anything players have done.
It's incredibly un-American. The type of worship and patriotism expressed in America is only seen in dictatorships.
05-24-2018 , 03:07 AM
God ****ing damn it NFL. This dumb ****ing **** was just about to blow over. But this is the surest way to make sure it continues to be a ****ing issue next season. I don't know how else to read this but the owners wanting to incite Trumps base.
05-24-2018 , 03:13 AM
The flag pin was the start of this ****. Cannot some congressperson give a speech and say if you wear a flag pin it's probably to mask your guilt about secretly hating America? Could see Bernie saying that. Like I don't need to make a big deal about how much i like pie, because I'm not concerned about being exposed as a secret pie-hater. My love of pie is genuine and untainted.
05-24-2018 , 03:19 AM
The concept of supporting our troops is noble. It's just that the people most likely to say it are on the side that doesn't want to pay to properly fund the VA or treat PTSD, and mainly use it as a way to conflate supporting another war we don't need with supporting the troops.

I support our troops. I want them to live long, peaceful lives. If they do have to fight, they should return home to the best healthcare available - including mental healthcare.

Dems shy away from that fight out of fear, but they shouldn't.
05-24-2018 , 04:04 AM


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05-24-2018 , 04:11 AM
05-24-2018 , 04:12 AM
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Originally Posted by chuckleslovakian
God ****ing damn it NFL. This dumb ****ing **** was just about to blow over. But this is the surest way to make sure it continues to be a ****ing issue next season. I don't know how else to read this but the owners wanting to incite Trumps base.
It's just business imo. More people who watch the NFL hate the protests than like them. I think it's ****ing cowardly what theyve done, but I totally get why they did it.
05-24-2018 , 04:13 AM
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Originally Posted by markksman


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****ing hell. Just when I think this couldn't get any worse, now I have to be a fan of the ****ing Jets.
05-24-2018 , 04:13 AM
05-24-2018 , 04:19 AM
I had to side with lavar ball once too.
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Originally Posted by ChrisV
****ing hell. Just when I think this couldn't get any worse, now I have to be a fan of the ****ing Jets.
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05-24-2018 , 04:36 AM
05-24-2018 , 06:22 AM
I know. My pony has been left behind in the deserts of Qatar, but man, the corruption with this Broidy guy and George Nader is off the charts.

https://apnews.com/a3521859cf8d4c199...ortune-seekers

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In return for pushing anti-Qatar policies at the highest levels of America’s government, Broidy and Nader expected huge consulting contracts from Saudi Arabia and the UAE, according to an Associated Press investigation based on interviews with more than two dozen people and hundreds of pages of leaked emails between the two men. The emails reviewed by the AP included work summaries and contracting documents and proposals.

The AP has previously reported that Broidy and Nader sought to get an anti-Qatar bill through Congress while obscuring the source of the money behind their influence campaign. A new cache of emails obtained by the AP reveals an ambitious, secretive lobbying effort to isolate Qatar and undermine the Pentagon’s longstanding relationship with the Gulf country.
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Broidy reported he was making progress, and Nader kept the “principals” briefed on their adventures, emails show. Broidy boasted that he had got the chairman of the House Foreign Affairs Committee, California Republican Rep. Ed Royce, to back an anti-Qatar bill.

“This is extremely positive,” Broidy wrote. He claimed he had “shifted” Royce from being critical of Saudi Arabia to “being critical of Qatar.” The AP reported in March that Broidy gave nearly $600,000 to GOP candidates and causes since the beginning of 2017. Royce got the maximum allowed.

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The money for the lobbying was another matter.

At Nader’s request, $2.5 million was channeled in two installments from his company in the UAE through a Canadian company called Xiemen Investments Limited, which someone familiar with the transaction said was run by one of Broidy’s friends. The money was then routed to a Broidy account in Los Angeles.

The transaction had the effect of obfuscating that the money for the political work in Washington had come from Nader in the UAE. Some of the recipients of Broidy’s spending in Washington said they had no idea that Nader was involved. Broidy previously told the AP that he did not think to question why the money was routed through a foreign entity.

At that point, Broidy might have realized the dangers of not registering as a foreign agent — it was all over the news.
There are more juicy tidbits in there about an op ed they got published in WSJ and my favorite part about a man named "George Vader" getting a photo with Donald Trump.

The Daily Beast has another good article on Broidy making a fortune selling influence to the GOP and Trump, not just from SA and UAE, but also from Romania and Malaysia.

Just another thing to keep in mind next time you're arguing with a rightwinger frothing at the mouth over Clinton Foundation pay to play.
05-24-2018 , 06:42 AM
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Originally Posted by AllTheCheese
Just another thing to keep in mind next time you're arguing with a rightwinger frothing at the mouth over Clinton Foundation pay to play.
Well the Clinton Foundation, not to mention Uranium One, makes things basically equal. #bothsides

How did Teapot Dome become such a big issue? I thought corruption was more common back in the day, but from what little I know about Teapot Dome, it was minor compared to Trump's corruption.

Maybe there was something equivalent to Nixon's tapes that drove the point, or maybe Harding was already in hot water.

Edit: Maybe it blew up because "the Harding administration, [] was already severely diminished by its controversial handling of the Great Railroad Strike of 1922 and the President's veto of the Bonus Bill in 1922." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teapot_Dome_scandal

Spoiler:
"While “Teapot Dome” entered the American political vocabulary as a synonym for governmental corruption, the scandal had little long-term effect on the Republican Party. Calvin Coolidge, a Republican, was elected president in 1924."
05-24-2018 , 07:11 AM
I've been listening to the Revolutions podcast (shout out to whoever bigged it up itf, it's great) and in the French Revolution chapter, they touch on the XYZ affair. At the time, the French had been attacking our trade ships doing business with their adversary Great Britain. The Americans were committed to neutrality, but obviously were not happy about the attacks. So they met with the French foreign minister to negotiate. But he said that before negotiations could begin, they must first pay him a large bribe. The American diplomats were so scandalized by the suggestion that they called off the negotiations, and in the fallout the Americans ended up waging a small scale naval war against France.

Sure this one goes the other way than the Broidy case, with the Americans expected to bribe foreigners to change their policy, but it's still kind of remarkable that at the dawn of our nation, foreign pay-to-play was such an affront to American sensibilities, we actually went to war over it.

      
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