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The Presidency of Donald J. Trump: No smocking guns. The Presidency of Donald J. Trump: No smocking guns.

05-22-2018 , 01:36 PM
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Originally Posted by markksman
He is such an imbecile.
America currently has 50 States, maybe we'll go back to 1
05-22-2018 , 01:37 PM
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Originally Posted by prana
Remember the Obama intelligence arguments? Something Harvard affirmative action something something lol. Now we have a guy who tweets his horrible spelling errors daily and the same idiots looove him.
That was just pure racism. There's definitely a large segment of the country for which a Harvard education holds absolutely zero cachet, tho.
05-22-2018 , 01:42 PM
Trump is opening a portal to hell.

https://twitter.com/W7VOA/status/998959156953575425
05-22-2018 , 01:54 PM
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Originally Posted by suzzer99
I worry about anyone who thinks they have more than a tiny bit of complete information when it comes to ongoing international diplomacy.
Bingo. Really like your last few posts here.
05-22-2018 , 01:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Huehuecoyotl
Who wouldn't trust their life and future safety in Trump's hands?
05-22-2018 , 02:15 PM
The best people

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The Environmental Protection Agency is barring The Associated Press, CNN and the environmental-focused news organization E&E from a national summit on harmful water contaminants.The EPA blocked the news organizations from attending Tuesday’s Washington meeting, convened by EPA chief Scott Pruitt.

EPA spokesman Jahan Wilcox told the barred organizations they were not invited and there was no space for them, but gave no indication of why they specifically were barred.Pruitt told about 200 people at the meeting that dealing with the contaminants is a “national priority.”

Guards barred an AP reporter from passing through a security checkpoint inside the building. When the reporter asked to speak to an EPA public-affairs person, the security guards grabbed the reporter by the shoulders and shoved her forcibly out of the EPA building.
05-22-2018 , 02:24 PM
Undoing of environmental protection, reporting, and science may well be THE central project of this administration.
05-22-2018 , 02:34 PM
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Originally Posted by uDevil
Trump is opening a portal to hell.

https://twitter.com/W7VOA/status/998959156953575425
Maybe Melanie (sic) is trying to tunnel herself out of the White House.

I am sure there are much better jokes out there.
05-22-2018 , 02:37 PM
The reason Guilliani is still in our field of vision is the bull**** tendency to give politicians credit for what happens when they are in charge. Yeah it happens both ways, yeah it is traditional, but sometimes it can have greater consequences than others. In the case of a president that follows no tradition and even threatens to not follow laws, it is perfectly reasonable not to give the bull**** credit concessions that normally go to the POTUS.

This mother****er gets a rating boost based off of fake news he tweets and the media repeats and suffers little to no consequence for lying, obstruction, attacking the press etc. Tradition states you give up your business interests as POTUS. Tradition states you provide your tax info. Tradition states you step down when accused of rape and assault by tons of women. But hey, let’s give him a hand for an optic that—to everyone’s ****ing point we know nothing about the real story and would be very, very likely to hide manipulations from the other parties, just because we wish things were back to normal and hope they will be that way if we pretend?

**** that. He doesn’t get the entitled trappings of tradition when he doesn’t give a single one. **** him. **** the spineless Dems already who will be so hungry for any kind of return to what we have lost they will pay the ****er off.

Last edited by Johnny Truant; 05-22-2018 at 02:42 PM.
05-22-2018 , 02:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Huehuecoyotl


Seems a bit straightforward for Trump no? It seems more likely that he'd cover that up with talking about not being fair to him, etc than straight up coming out with saying he's discrediting them to their face
Cover it up? He tweeted to the world a few weeks ago "ngative (FAKE) [news]".
05-22-2018 , 02:43 PM
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Originally Posted by prana
Remember the Obama intelligence arguments? Something Harvard affirmative action something something lol. Now we have a guy who tweets his horrible spelling errors daily and the same idiots looove him.
Supposedly a lot of people get input on the tweets and though the spelling errors aren't on purpose

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West Wing employees who draft proposed tweets intentionally employ suspect grammar and staccato syntax in order to mimic the president’s style, according to two people familiar with the process.
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Some staff members even relish the scoldings Trump gets from elites shocked by the Trumpian language they strive to imitate, believing that debates over presidential typos fortify the belief within his base that he has the common touch.
https://www.bostonglobe.com/news/nat...?event=event25

Last edited by uDevil; 05-22-2018 at 02:43 PM. Reason: link
05-22-2018 , 02:52 PM
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Originally Posted by JordanIB
Cover it up? He tweeted to the world a few weeks ago "ngative (FAKE) [news]".
covers it up in the same way a narcissist or an abuser complains that the people around them never treat them fairly when what they want is for everyone to cater to them. The end effect is of course Trump wants to delegitimize the press, but my perception of him wasn't someone who was so self aware to think that he's straightforwardly doing it to delegitmize them as much as it came from an instinct that he wasn't being treated fairly (and by fairly I mean saying anything negative about him ever). It shows a bit more self awareness and plotting than I would have thought. The result is the same regardless though.

Last edited by Huehuecoyotl; 05-22-2018 at 03:04 PM.
05-22-2018 , 03:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Huehuecoyotl
covers it up in the same way a narcissist or an abuser complains that the people around them never treat them fairly when what they want is for everyone to cater to them. The end effect is of course Trump wants to delegitimize the press, but my perception of him wasn't someone who was so self aware to think that he's straightforwardly doing it to delegitmize them as much as it came from an instinct that he wasn't being treated fairly (and by fairly I mean saying anything negative about him ever). It shows a bit more self awareness and plotting than I would have thought.
They do both though. Like I knew a womanizer who straight up told me he would just deny everything no matter what forever when caught. He didn't know it as gaslighting, but he knew it worked. "It wasn't me". He would stick to that and know, he said, that they may even begin to doubt what they saw with their own eyes. He would also attack them for their suspicion. For believing their friends more than him. And part of it was he would say it so much he would ACTUALLY be angry with them for not trusting him. Even if they were never convinced 100%, they would ultimately fatigue. It is what the chronic liars do, and it is not genius.
05-22-2018 , 03:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Johnny Truant
They do both though. Like I knew a womanizer who straight up told me he would just deny everything no matter what forever when caught. He didn't know it as gaslighting, but he knew it worked. "It wasn't me". He would stick to that and know, he said, that they may even begin to doubt what they saw with their own eyes. He would also attack them for their suspicion. For believing their friends more than him. And part of it was he would say it so much he would ACTUALLY be angry with them for not trusting him. Even if they were never convinced 100%, they would ultimately fatigue. It is what the chronic liars do, and it is not genius.
Was it Shaggy?
05-22-2018 , 03:07 PM
Chinese granted trademarks not patents. Lots of differences. I don't know how much a scandle this is because i don't know Chinese TM law, but neither do the Chinese (it's pretty new to them). Chinese patent law is just lol. You want to procure and litigate a patent in China? Just burn a bag of cash instead. It's quicker. TMs are at least somewhat enforceable in China.
05-22-2018 , 03:11 PM
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Originally Posted by tomdemaine
Was it Shaggy?
It was that blatant sometimes. The most ridic was I was at a club with him and two different girls came up to him from different directions, each grabbed one of his hands simultaneously. Both were furious. He didn't lose either one.
05-22-2018 , 03:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Huehuecoyotl
covers it up in the same way a narcissist or an abuser complains that the people around them never treat them fairly when what they want is for everyone to cater to them. The end effect is of course Trump wants to delegitimize the press, but my perception of him wasn't someone who was so self aware to think that he's straightforwardly doing it to delegitmize them as much as it came from an instinct that he wasn't being treated fairly (and by fairly I mean saying anything negative about him ever). It shows a bit more self awareness and plotting than I would have thought.
Poisoning the well is a very old propaganda tactic. It would be shocking if someone like Stephen Miller wasn't aware of it. Trump doesn't even have to be aware of it at first. He just lashes out. Then Miller comes along and tells him to keep doing that so no one will believe the press when they do publish something true and damaging. Do we really think Trump is incapable of understanding this?

So Trump learns which buttons to mash harder (anything racist or anti-press) and which he might want to avoid (making fun of the handicapped).

There can be a state somewhere between 8D chess and shoving a glue stick up your nose. I'd rather err on the side of overestimating Trump than underestimating him.

If you didn't notice the white house is trying their hardest to keep 'MS-13 = animals' in the news. I feel fairly confident at least some part of it is that people in Trump's orbit know the left will amplify, multiply and reflect the hugely winning message back to his base.




Case in point, from CP:

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Originally Posted by IowaHawkeyeChief
Please, don't preach to us. You're the ones that celebrate NK talks possibly being called off. You're the ones rooting for the economy to tumble and post as soon as there may be a sliver of bad news. You're the ones that ignore 40,000 ISIS fighters being all but eliminated in Syria. You're the ones that defend MS-13 if you think it allows you to call Trump a racist... You're the ones that are pathetic and hate America...
Again - I'm not saying you don't call out this dehumanizing language. You have to because it's dangerous. I'm just saying I think it ultimately becomes much more energizing to Trump's base than the other side.

Last edited by suzzer99; 05-22-2018 at 03:26 PM.
05-22-2018 , 03:13 PM
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Originally Posted by uDevil
Trump is opening a portal to hell.

https://twitter.com/W7VOA/status/998959156953575425
I wonder what the evangelicals think about this?
05-22-2018 , 03:30 PM
they're already energized about genocide; donald trump is president
05-22-2018 , 03:34 PM
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Originally Posted by suzzer99
I'm just saying I think it ultimately becomes much more energizing to Trump's base than the other side.
chezlawl revisited
05-22-2018 , 03:40 PM
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Originally Posted by suzzer99
Which is exactly what chiefsplanet would say. We know Obama is an idiot (and/or diabolical genius bent on creating a socialist utopia for minorities), therefore anything good that ever happened on his watch must have been by accident.
Hands down worst post itt history.
05-22-2018 , 03:57 PM
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Originally Posted by suzzer99
Poisoning the well is a very old propaganda tactic. It would be shocking if someone like Stephen Miller wasn't aware of it. Trump doesn't even have to be aware of it at first. He just lashes out. Then Miller comes along and tells him to keep doing that so no one will believe the press when they do publish something true and damaging. Do we really think Trump is incapable of understanding this?

So Trump learns which buttons to mash harder (anything racist or anti-press) and which he might want to avoid (making fun of the handicapped).

There can be a state somewhere between 8D chess and shoving a glue stick up your nose. I'd rather err on the side of overestimating Trump than underestimating him.
Agreed. If there's one area where Trump has shown strategic thinking, it's in media manipulation.

We've seen this from the beginning of the primaries, when he would say something inflammatory any time the news cycle started veering away from him. And we've seen it throughout the Mueller investigation, as he hires people like Giuliani with the specific job of going on TV to undermine Mueller's credibility.

This type of strategy isn't sophisticated at all. It's just brazen.

Trump is an extreme narcissist who has spent most of his adult life selling himself as a brand. This is a guy who would call reporters pretending to be someone else to shill for himself. It should be no surprise that he thinks about ways to manipulate the media. He's obsessed with it.
05-22-2018 , 03:58 PM
suzzer making history itt
05-22-2018 , 04:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Clovis8
Hands down worst post itt history.
What am I missing with suzzer's post you quoted and insulted? I'm reading it as him characterizing chief's planet's view of Obama's presidency, not that suzzer himself believes that nonsense about Obama. Did I drop my reading comprehension in the toilet this morning?
05-22-2018 , 04:12 PM
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Originally Posted by JoltinJake
Agreed. If there's one area where Trump has shown strategic thinking, it's in media manipulation.

We've seen this from the beginning of the primaries, when he would say something inflammatory any time the news cycle started veering away from him. And we've seen it throughout the Mueller investigation, as he hires people like Giuliani with the specific job of going on TV to undermine Mueller's credibility.

This type of strategy isn't sophisticated at all. It's just brazen.

Trump is an extreme narcissist who has spent most of his adult life selling himself as a brand. This is a guy who would call reporters pretending to be someone else to shill for himself. It should be no surprise that he thinks about ways to manipulate the media. He's obsessed with it.

      
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