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The Presidency of Donald J. Trump: No smocking guns. The Presidency of Donald J. Trump: No smocking guns.

02-16-2017 , 02:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Namath12
Nope, all classified

And Cummings straight up said that everyone would boycott (the inauguration anyway) "if the public knew what Congress knows."

I really wonder how many of the "leaks" are coming straight from Congress.
I mean technically no, but if anyone were to escape consequences for revealing classified info it's going to be a Congressman. What would McConnell do if a Dem releases documents reporting that Trump's aids promised relaxed sanctions in exchange for some Trump hotels?

That's the problem with IC. It's, by it's nature, very murky and difficult to prove unlike law enforcement or an investigation where things get laid out on the table. It makes it valuable for spying on other countries, but terrible for gathering objective facts about a situation without the fear of the "facts" themselves being manipulated.
02-16-2017 , 02:06 PM
This

****ing

Guy
02-16-2017 , 02:06 PM
Why is he talking about the Electoral college? This is cringe inducing.
02-16-2017 , 02:07 PM
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Originally Posted by einbert
I don't think Congress members can legally release this information publicly.
IC members can't legally leak it either and yet they're finding a way. As I said, if Senate Democrats can't effectively communicate that Trump is an actual Russian pawn without feeling guilty about being scofflaws or facing some legal trouble, then shame on these people. They are enjoying all the fruits of government service and not fulfilling their oaths to the Constitution and the country.

I suppose I remain a naive and hopeless idealist but I assume between the dozens or so Congress members that get briefings, one would stand up and capture that Profile in Courage award. Should be low hanging fruit here. Nelson Mandela spent 27 years in prison for opposing an illegitimate regime; these ****ers are holding the goods on incriminating evidence on Trump but not acting? If anyone is in a position to act and get top-tier legal defense and tremendous institutional support, it's a Congressmember. They'd almost surely never see the inside of a prison if there's any there there.

Like I said, I have just enough slim hopes in our country that's not what is happening.
02-16-2017 , 02:07 PM
Trump talking again about how many electoral votes he got. There's no way this rambling guy is president. I refuse to believe it.
02-16-2017 , 02:07 PM
is he really going to talk about his electoral vote count for four years?
02-16-2017 , 02:07 PM
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Originally Posted by dinopoker
Yes, and iirc Harry Reid back before the election was clamouring for McConnell to join him and release some of the confidential information they'd been briefed on in a bi-partisan way so that it wouldn't be seen as political. McConnell passed, most likely because he a) didn't think Trump was going to win anyways and b) because if Trump did win he wanted that SCOTUS judge.
Obama wanted to release at least some of this info publicly as well but McConnell told him privately that if he did McConnell would call it a political act and go nuclear on Clinton's campaign based on that idea.
https://www.thenation.com/article/th...tch-mcconnell/
02-16-2017 , 02:07 PM
Why is he talking exactly like a simpsons character?
02-16-2017 , 02:08 PM
God I hope some reporters ask him some decent questions.
02-16-2017 , 02:08 PM
He can't even get the number of electoral votes he got correct. WTF.
02-16-2017 , 02:08 PM
FINE TUNED MACHINE
02-16-2017 , 02:09 PM
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02-16-2017 , 02:10 PM
Are there any protests being organized during his Florida rally?
02-16-2017 , 02:10 PM
02-16-2017 , 02:10 PM
He is in rough shape man, looking less and less like he can physically make it four years.
02-16-2017 , 02:10 PM
Naming off all the horrible **** he's done as if they are accomplishments.
02-16-2017 , 02:11 PM
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Originally Posted by champstark
He is in rough shape man, looking less and less like he can physically make it four years.
four years? it has only been 4 weeks.
02-16-2017 , 02:11 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by DVaut1
IC members can't legally leak it either and yet they're finding a way. As I said, if Senate Democrats can't effectively communicate that Trump is an actual Russian pawn without feeling guilty about being scofflaws or facing some legal trouble, then shame on these people. They are enjoying all the fruits of government service and not fulfilling their oaths to the Constitution and the country.

I suppose I remain a naive and hopeless idealist but I assume between the dozens or so Congress members that get briefings, one would stand up and capture that Profile in Courage award. Should be low hanging fruit here. Nelson Mandela spent 27 years in prison for opposing an illegitimate regime; these ****ers are holding the goods on incriminating evidence on Trump but not acting? If anyone is in a position to act and get top-tier legal defense and tremendous institutional support, it's a Congressmember. They'd almost surely never see the inside of a prison if there's any there there.

Like I said, I have just enough slim hopes in our country that's not what is happening.
Dude these Congresspeople see cops get off for killing unarmed black men and terrorists get off for taking over bird sanctuaries all the time. They are under no illusions that justice is real in the United States. They need a majority vote for impeachment and other than that they can expect to be headed to prison under a Trump/Sessions admin if they release classified info publicly, no matter how damning. They can't do us much good from prison either, so I'm not sure how that's much of a strategy.
02-16-2017 , 02:11 PM
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Originally Posted by DVaut1
I don't get it though:

If they have proof a compromised person is now the President, why not tell Congress? Why didn't that line of defense work? The ramifications seem pretty far-reaching if we're arguing they had literally NO CHOICE here.
Congress is controlled by the president's party, and they don't want to know because the truth, if it got out, would compromise their own hold on privilege and power and their plans to crock the electoral system to make sure they never lose another election. So they don't want a special bi-partisan committee appointed, they want the whole thing left to the existing Republican-dominated committees so they can put the fix in.

Congressional Democrats disagree, and so does the former deputy assistant secretary of defense for Russia, Ukraine and Eurasia.

http://www.vox.com/conversations/201...p-russia-flynn
02-16-2017 , 02:11 PM
I want all environmental situations to be taken properly
02-16-2017 , 02:12 PM
Some people ITT are still under the illusion that Republicans believe in some version of liberal democracy, it's just different from what we believe in. They are an authoritarian regime, guys.
02-16-2017 , 02:12 PM
He's obsessed with crime and drugs. Does he think he is still living in 1980s NYC? Things have changed, man.
02-16-2017 , 02:12 PM
Oh sweet, tripling down on the WAR ON DRUGS. DRUGS CHEAPER THAN CANDY BARZ
02-16-2017 , 02:13 PM
"Drugs cheaper than Candy BARZ"
02-16-2017 , 02:13 PM
Spicy is out. Trump will now be giving his own daily pressers.

      
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