That conference was a 9 out of 10 on the cringe scale. The guy comes across worse than an Amway salesman.

Disagree here. If you're in intelligence or security and you have information that there may be compromised people -- or even out and out Russian agents -- in the Oval Office, and you've ALREADY reported that up the chain of command and nothing has happened, then what options are you left with? Especially when Congress is also sitting on their hands.

The only thing left at that point is to go to the press. And that's apparently what happened.

Re: the leaks, it's nuts how his base just laps up whatever he says and then makes it the top of their value list. Like, before Trumpy got into office, the base would probably have said leaks are bad. But now they're like, "leakers are bad!"

Also the Dems weren't the party of civil rights and the Republicans weren't the party of white supremecy 50 years ago. Quite the opposite in fact as something like 80% of Republicans voted for the Civil Rights act of 1964 and only 60% of Democrats did. Being a Democrat openly for Civil Rights in 1960 would have probably been political suicide as the south was largely controlled by racist Democrats in the 1960s.

Wait, why the **** does CNN still have panel discussions with people like Kayleigh McEnany? We don't need Trump cheerleaders on news shows. We need news reporting.

Yeah these people are leaking stuff because they know the stakes at play here. They can tell that their boss is incompetent and they know he has the nuclear codes. They are probably concerned about the safety of intelligence agents that have been/are working on Russia as well. Congress is actively refusing to acknowledge that anything is wrong, so someone has to act.

I can tolerate a lot of Trump supporters on TV (different viewpoints don't bother me that much). But Kayleigh has one of the most tilting voice/facial expressions combos on TV.

Scarbrough said this morning that this is the most unsettled he's felt in life re: Trump/Russia connection and that there has to be something there.

Gee, if only you were in a position to do something about stopping a mad narcissist ascend to power.

I never watch this show but Scarbrough says he thinks there is more to come from the sources he speaks to. Given his background, he should be pretty well connected in Washington. Atleast much more so than the average cable news host.

Yeah the WaPo story that did the number on Flynn had NINE sources. Nine. I mean, I've never heard of a story like that even having five sources, never mind nine.

Plus when you're working in global intelligence you're reliant on other agencies around the world sharing their data with you. If those other agencies like Mossad, MI-6, CSIS, and the like start thinking that their sources are in jeopardy if they share intelligence with the USA then they're going to stop doing it. America will be kept in the dark about a lot of stuff.

Of course their intelligence is in jeopardy if they share it with the USA. They might as well just CC Putin on anything they send to us at this point.

Feels like 2p2 Politics forum has turned into an episode of The View.

Everybody take a deep breath.

How many of you honestly think that Trump won't serve out his term? Because I'm getting the sense that lots of zealots on the left are thinking impeachment/prison is pretty much a done deal at this point. I find this amusing.

A really apt comparison, imo. Left unchecked, Trump and Congressional Republicans will surely wreak havoc on the country, leaving it hostile to all but monied white people, much like cancer exists only to replicate itself and spread. Chemo, while not some universal good and one that can many times make the situation worse, is still often our best bet in fighting the spread of malignancy, even if there are unintended consequences to using it...

What is giving you this confidence in his capability as President to not do something illegal or are you just assuming the Republicans will never impeach regardless of what he does?

Our nostrils are too small for that.

And that's why they've made a point of leaking out that they don't trust the White House with some sensitive Intel. They want to keep their channels and their information flow open, so their counterparties need assurance that their intel isn't being shipped straight to the White House and therefore Putin.

I think the line is like even money on the betting sites right now. If you feel differently you should for sure run and bet it, because you know how often bookies are wrong about stuff.

I'd put it at about 50/50 at this point. Trump has done/will do wildly illegal things but I have serious doubts about the majority party in Congress lifting a finger.

I don't think it's a "done deal" but I wish I had loaded up on 5-1...something like 2-1 seems fair now. In any case much better odds than him actually doing something positive for the country.

Honestly, I think Trump is not nearly as ******ed as you guys are giving him credit for. He may toe the line because he's cocky and reckless, but he also has to know he'd get absolutely crucified if caught up in something that actually warranted impeachment proceedings. I also question his motivation. He already won the prize for being rich, and you can't win the beloved leader with tremendous legacy trophy if you're in prison.

A little bit the second part though, too.

The Facebook privacy crap going around again but a NASA scientist getting detained is ok!

I still think he'll serve his full term, but I also feel that there is a not insignificant chance that he won't. He obviously has the best chance of being booted in some form of any president in my 40 years of living.

There's WAY too much smoke on this Russia stuff for there to not be a fairly large fire.

Republicans bragging about Trump destroying the credibility and national security of the United States--and he'll get away with it too, because we control Congress, they say.

It's a sad state of affairs.

LOL

Trump seems to be good at backing off when he's genuinely close to doing something impeachable, like walking back the Muslim ban. Would be surprised if he does something so egregious that House Republicans impeach him, though some of these Russia shenanigans might do the trick.

Basically, who knows wtf is gonna happen.

Not sure James Meredith would agree. He was inspired by Kennedy's inaugural address to seek admission to the University of Mississippi at Oxford, Ole Miss. The state governor told Robert Kennedy, 'It's best for him not to go to Ole Miss,' to which the attorney general replied, 'But he likes Ole Miss.'

In Meredith's view he forced the Kennedy administration to support him, which may be true, but support him they did. They tried to get him admitted quietly, but when that didn't work they sent one deputy US attorney general, four hundred US Marshals and a battalion of troops.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Meredith

Later they had a face-off over Alabama schools with the infamous Governor Wallace. They announced a civil rights bill, which didn't happen because the president was assassinated, but Johnson then brought in his own bill.

At lunchtime on 22 November 1963, the BBC reporter Martin Muncaster was waiting for a plane at St Louis. The announcer came on the PA with the news and then put on dance records, and all the (white) American travellers got up and danced for joy around the departure lounge to celebrate the murder of the ******-loving commie John F. Kennedy. It took quite some time -- and a BBC reporter asking them what they were up to -- before they calmed down. JFK wasn't their type president at all.