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The Presidency of Donald J. Trump: No smocking guns. The Presidency of Donald J. Trump: No smocking guns.

02-15-2017 , 11:51 AM
Have Fox News ratings started to tank yet? At some point people will stop watching it because they ignore or downplay the juicy Trump scandals right?
02-15-2017 , 11:52 AM
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Originally Posted by wheatrich
This is still an if. People can get distracted, ie war, some lib gets investigated, god knows what, most people only remember recency and elections are a long way from now. A good chunk of the country still doesn't think this is a problem at all.
it blew my mind how trump's numbers went way down after the billy bush tape, then over the course of like 2 weeks with NO NEW NEWS, trump's numbers started to climb right back.
02-15-2017 , 11:54 AM
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Originally Posted by ScreaminAsian
sec Mattis is threatening to "moderate US commitment to NATO" if european allies don't increase their military spending
Gee... who could that POSSIBLY favor?
02-15-2017 , 11:54 AM
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Originally Posted by miajag
JFK's all time LOW approval rating being 56% is pretty sick, esp considering he barely won his election.

Trump will never drop below 35% or so, the delusion amongst his base is very strong.
IIRC Nixon was at 24% right before he resigned. Doubt Trump will ever break his high score.
02-15-2017 , 11:58 AM
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Originally Posted by bbfg
Have Fox News ratings started to tank yet? At some point people will stop watching it because they ignore or downplay the juicy Trump scandals right?
I've noticed that a couple of small Chinese owned businesses I frequent would always have Fox News on the television. Yesterday I went to one of them and they were watching MSNBC instead. I wondered if that was the reason why.
02-15-2017 , 12:00 PM
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Originally Posted by master3004
While I want to like this guy, and the things he says about Trump are undeniably true, he is way on the opposite side of me in many political stances, and I couldn't see supporting him.
But that's the thing, the disagreements you have with him are about policy, not basic fundamentals like integrity. At least you can respect someone like that.
02-15-2017 , 12:01 PM
live rn - trump thinks people working in retail are middle income lol
02-15-2017 , 12:06 PM
Google "Putin net worth" and you'll figure out what motivates everything he does and why Trump wants to emulate him.

This 19.5% of Rosneft and the $500B deal between Exxon and Russia are Trump's primary interests as potus.
02-15-2017 , 12:09 PM
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Originally Posted by 3fiveofdiamonds
I've noticed that a couple of small Chinese owned businesses I frequent would always have Fox News on the television. Yesterday I went to one of them and they were watching MSNBC instead. I wondered if that was the reason why.
Maybe they are sick of hearing the country they or their ancestors come from referred to as Gaiyna!
02-15-2017 , 12:11 PM
Man, I guess I'm still surprised at just how blatant the treason of having multiple people with multiple documented contacts with high ranking Russian officials is, but I probably shouldn't be.

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Originally Posted by markksman
Gd Maverickov and Gooseovich
This was a good post that didn't get any love.

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Originally Posted by pvn
But that's the thing, the disagreements you have with him are about policy, not basic fundamentals like integrity. At least you can respect someone like that.
Yeah, we are well past the point where we should snap-accept McMuffin in trade for Trump. The damage Trump can do is far more likely to be irreparable.
02-15-2017 , 12:11 PM
Does a rift between Trump and Pence hurt Trump's overall approval rating? I feel like a decent amount of GOP voters may have recognized all of Trumps faults but been able to justify it with Pence as VP.

Honestly surprised all these CEOs keep meeting with Trump, like we already saw what happened with Uber. Of course they have a black guy and a women seated right next to Trump in the camera shot and the rest of the room is white dudes. At what point, if ever ,would some random, probably not a CEO because Trump would blast them in twitter, bring up Russia, etc during these meetings? Imagine one of these people saying "I actually think your a ****ing idiot and I only came here because I wanted to ask you why your a lying, piece of ****."
02-15-2017 , 12:12 PM
Any Law scholars in this thread?

Is there a nonzero possibility for a national referendum to nullify the results of the 2016 Presidential election? Obviously not given what we know at this point, but lets say for example the whole of the administration was in cahoots with the Russian government/intelligence agencies, is on the take from the Rosneft sale, and throughout the campaign sought to undermine opponents via illegal means?

I know I'm grasping at straws, but drawing dead?
02-15-2017 , 12:13 PM
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Originally Posted by microbet
Google "Putin net worth" and you'll figure out what motivates everything he does and why Trump wants to emulate him.

This 19.5% of Rosneft and the $500B deal between Exxon and Russia are Trump's primary interests as potus.
Am I naiive to think that if I had like 20 million, I would invest intelligently and be happy for the rest of my life? What the hell drives someone with a net worth of "4 billion" to have to emulate someone worth many times that? Isn't 4 billion enough to to do everything ever?
02-15-2017 , 12:14 PM
kelleyanne wasn't on any news shows this morning. she's still unfollowed by trump and his inner circle on twitter. and yesterday when she WAS on tv it looked like she was up all night crying.

lol
02-15-2017 , 12:14 PM
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Originally Posted by miajag
JFK's all time LOW approval rating being 56% is pretty sick, esp considering he barely won his election.

Trump will never drop below 35% or so, the delusion amongst his base is very strong.
If farmers take a hit and they repeal ACA, there is no floor imo. Yes the base froths and loves him, but real life will eventually show up now that he is not just a candidate.
02-15-2017 , 12:17 PM
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Originally Posted by JPantz
Does a rift between Trump and Pence hurt Trump's overall approval rating? I feel like a decent amount of GOP voters may have recognized all of Trumps faults but been able to justify it with Pence as VP.

Honestly surprised all these CEOs keep meeting with Trump, like we already saw what happened with Uber. Of course they have a black guy and a women seated right next to Trump in the camera shot and the rest of the room is white dudes. At what point, if ever ,would some random, probably not a CEO because Trump would blast them in twitter, bring up Russia, etc during these meetings? Imagine one of these people saying "I actually think your a ****ing idiot and I only came here because I wanted to ask you why your a lying, piece of ****."
What is the rift?

Pence will fall in line.
02-15-2017 , 12:19 PM
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Originally Posted by master3004
Am I naiive to think that if I had like 20 million, I would invest intelligently and be happy for the rest of my life? What the hell drives someone with a net worth of "4 billion" to have to emulate someone worth many times that? Isn't 4 billion enough to to do everything ever?
People who think like you never get $4B in the first place. It's hard for them to even get $20M.

And empirically, certainly some of these uber rich seem quite motivated to keep getting richer. As for their motivation? I'm sure it varies. Trump is obviously competitive and his self-worth is quite wrapped up in his net worth.
02-15-2017 , 12:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Paul McSwizzle
If farmers take a hit and they repeal ACA, there is no floor imo. Yes the base froths and loves him, but real life will eventually show up now that he is not just a candidate.
correct. While I can't imagine a single person on the left wants a repeal and no replace of the ACA from an ideological standpoint, that would absolutely be one of the most politically expedient way to hurt Trump's broad appeal. It won't take many doctor or hospital visits worth weeks/months/years of pay to these people for them to realize that it was a bad bad idea.
02-15-2017 , 12:21 PM
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Originally Posted by mw828
wtf is this story? i've only been reading/watching for like 15 minutes. i'm not at all convinced this will amount to anything. even if substantial, it will just be shrugged away as "crying libtards" and "evil media" or "treacherous leakers" like always.

what is this, "we have names" ****. why can't they just give even one name then? why wait? are they simply trying to up ratings for a news cycle?
They're waiting to see who denies what before they release names. That way they can out the liars more easily.

Here's hoping one of them is Bannon.
02-15-2017 , 12:25 PM


Trump is a narcissist but doesn't have npd. He's not sick, he's just an *******.

His tweets today are pathetic though.
02-15-2017 , 12:25 PM
Maybe Trump's support will erode when David Duke and Alex Jones decide turning on him is profitable.

Trump can be cast as a Nationalist In Name Only.
02-15-2017 , 12:25 PM
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Originally Posted by ElMastermind
Any Law scholars in this thread?

Is there a nonzero possibility for a national referendum to nullify the results of the 2016 Presidential election? Obviously not given what we know at this point, but lets say for example the whole of the administration was in cahoots with the Russian government/intelligence agencies, is on the take from the Rosneft sale, and throughout the campaign sought to undermine opponents via illegal means?

I know I'm grasping at straws, but drawing dead?
There's a nonzero chance Trump gets impeached and Pence takes over, but we aren't going to have a do-over election.
02-15-2017 , 12:25 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pGFOkX92OXc

Ryan on MSNBC, was pretty harsh on Russia and even Trump's moral equivalency comments with Oreilly. Said the sanctions are not going anywhere (which obv would be impossible for Trump to relax them now)
02-15-2017 , 12:26 PM
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Originally Posted by JPantz
Does a rift between Trump and Pence hurt Trump's overall approval rating? I feel like a decent amount of GOP voters may have recognized all of Trumps faults but been able to justify it with Pence as VP.

Honestly surprised all these CEOs keep meeting with Trump, like we already saw what happened with Uber. Of course they have a black guy and a women seated right next to Trump in the camera shot and the rest of the room is white dudes. At what point, if ever ,would some random, probably not a CEO because Trump would blast them in twitter, bring up Russia, etc during these meetings? Imagine one of these people saying "I actually think your a ****ing idiot and I only came here because I wanted to ask you why your a lying, piece of ****."
you are assuming that 95% of these CEO's have integrity like that.. as long as their salary , options and stock price keep going up. its all good. with corporate rate tax cut being even discussed , it's the cherry on top
02-15-2017 , 12:27 PM
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Originally Posted by master3004
Am I naiive to think that if I had like 20 million, I would invest intelligently and be happy for the rest of my life? What the hell drives someone with a net worth of "4 billion" to have to emulate someone worth many times that? Isn't 4 billion enough to to do everything ever?
Yes, you are naive. With $4B there are definite limits to what you can buy. With $100B those limits don't apply to things anymore, but rather only large corporations.

If you only want a life that $20mm well invested can buy then you don't really need over $5mm as there isn't much that gets bought with those incremental dollars other than slightly bigger/nicer versions of the same thing.

There are different tiers of wealth that are definitely at least orders of magnitude apart. A few billion dollars is much different than $100B in what it allows for in a similar way to how a few thousand dollars in a bank account is a lot different from $100k in how it allows you to live.

Absent the actual purchasing power of those dollars there are a variety of other reasons that people want to accrue wealth and it is important to understand that these are circumstantial. For many people there is no such thing than too much and while that is often tied explicitly to greed that is not always the right attribution.

      
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