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The Presidency of Donald J. Trump: No smocking guns. The Presidency of Donald J. Trump: No smocking guns.

02-15-2017 , 11:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Max Cut
Aye. In 2007, I was quite sure the US would have it's first female president before it's first African American president. It says something about me, and probably about a lot of people, that I was so far off in estimating the level of prejudice against women in the US.
I agree with you but if you think about history, African American men got their right to vote in 1870, white women in 1920.
02-15-2017 , 11:26 AM
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If GOP congresspeople can't have townhalls or take constituent calls because there's an unending storm of hate and rage overwhelming everything else,
Ding ding ding
02-15-2017 , 11:26 AM
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Originally Posted by bobman0330
I think people overestimate the relevance of legal issues here. The necessary and sufficient condition for a Trump impeachment is a critical mass of Republicans deciding that ending the Trump circus is better for them from a political/policy perspective than playing along. Leaks about Russia obviously lead them in that direction, but it's not likely they play a decisive role on their own. Sustained public criticism of GOP legislators plus policy gridlock is what ultimately gets the job done (if it happens). If GOP congresspeople can't have townhalls or take constituent calls because there's an unending storm of hate and rage overwhelming everything else, that will start to get their attention. Likewise if Congress can't make progress on healthcare or tax reform because there is zero presidential leadership on the policy process.
But the risk for them is great, right? Many people are going to feel betrayed by the Republicans if they turn on Trump. Some people who finally realize how they've been duped, Trump true believers, it will fracture this fragile coalition. And right before the census. If the backlash is great enough they stand to lose their gerrymandered districts, many of the statehouses they've spent decades infiltrating, etc. I'm not sure I would count on them quickly pivoting to some self-preservation strategy and turning on Trump. They may assume, and probably rightfully, that their only real political play is to just continue to plow ahead.
02-15-2017 , 11:28 AM
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Originally Posted by bobman0330
I think people overestimate the relevance of legal issues here. The necessary and sufficient condition for a Trump impeachment is a critical mass of Republicans deciding that ending the Trump circus is better for them from a political/policy perspective than playing along. Leaks about Russia obviously lead them in that direction, but it's not likely they play a decisive role on their own. Sustained public criticism of GOP legislators plus policy gridlock is what ultimately gets the job done (if it happens). If GOP congresspeople can't have townhalls or take constituent calls because there's an unending storm of hate and rage overwhelming everything else, that will start to get their attention. Likewise if Congress can't make progress on healthcare or tax reform because there is zero presidential leadership on the policy process.
I'd say more than just not being able to take townhall meetings, if, for instance, they lose the seat that Tom Price is giving up, that'd be a screaming Drudge siren, all hands on deck, that they have to do something. Having to put up with angry constituents is one thing, but I think it's one thing they'd put up with if they're still guaranteed to keep their seat.
02-15-2017 , 11:29 AM
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Originally Posted by champstark
Yeah the only way any of this stuff leads to even possible impeachment is if it can be explicitly proven Trump specifically and directly ordered his staff to cooperate with the Russians to sabotage Clinton. Even then I don't think the Republicans would impeach him.
Impeach him??? loooooooooooooool

You can't even find five Republicans who want to INVESTIGATE him

ETA and it's not necessarily because they are inherently corrupt, either (though many of them are ldo) it's because they've seen what the handful of congressional Repubes who have stood up to Trump have gotten from their constituencies. Hell, Martha Roby who represents Alabama Dumb**** District is looking at a primary challenger in 2018 already for coming hard after pussygate and not backing down...and she's about as far right as anyone on the Hill.
02-15-2017 , 11:30 AM
Draft dodging Donnie thinks he can bully and publicly shame the intel community. He doesn't get it. They are leaking because they ****ing hate you. An organization that is honest and open isn't going to have leaks because there will be nothing to leak about.

Thanks to DDD, I went down the rabbit hole of the fox and friends twitter timeline. First, celebrated a person driving through a pipe line protest. Then they had a guy blaming this on the democrats for not confirming members of the cabinet. That lead me to see who was commenting on these tweets.

The most frustrating and sad part to me is the people tweeting all this support with their American flags and bald eagles but they can't see that Trump doesn't give a **** about America. All he cares about his himself and power.
02-15-2017 , 11:31 AM
abcnews.go.com/Politics/contact-trump-campaign-russian-intel-officials-game-changer/story?id=45505386

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"If there's contacts between the Trump campaign and Russian intelligence officials outside the norm, that’s not only big league bad, that’s a game changer," Graham, R-S.C., said in an interview on "Good Morning America."
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Graham, a member of the Senate Committee on Armed Services, said there should be a "preliminary investigation" where members of Congress, including himself, oversee the FBI's probe into the allegations. If the reports prove to be true, Graham said Congress should create a joint select committee "to get to the bottom of this."

"I want to make sure myself that these intercepts exist, that the communications are outside the norm. If that's the case, it's time for Congress -- in my view, the Senate -- to do a joint select committee where we can look at it holistically," he said.

Sounds a bit hedged to me. I would rather see the joint select committee deciding if the communications are outside the norm.
02-15-2017 , 11:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Max Cut
Aye. In 2007, I was quite sure the US would have it's first female president before it's first African American president. It says something about me, and probably about a lot of people, that I was so far off in estimating the level of prejudice against women in the US.
This. And I know everyone hates her, but I think Lena Dunham is a good example of this. She's a funny, good natured person who is chubby. There are literally tens of thousands of male comedians/actors/writers who fit that description and most ppl either love them or are relatively ambivalent about them.

But Dunham? ****ing HATE. Endless, endless hate. Worth thinking about imo.
02-15-2017 , 11:35 AM
I wonder if Trump will break Truman's record low. Crazy to see Truman lower than Nixon at his lowest. Link to all the graphs.

02-15-2017 , 11:35 AM
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Originally Posted by RV Life
He flat out told the Russians to hack her emails.
Yes, but telling the Russians to do in a public way is much different than directing his staff to take action with the Russians against Clinton.
02-15-2017 , 11:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Dunkman
But the risk for them is great, right? Many people are going to feel betrayed by the Republicans if they turn on Trump. Some people who finally realize how they've been duped, Trump true believers, it will fracture this fragile coalition. And right before the census. If the backlash is great enough they stand to lose their gerrymandered districts, many of the statehouses they've spent decades infiltrating, etc. I'm not sure I would count on them quickly pivoting to some self-preservation strategy and turning on Trump. They may assume, and probably rightfully, that their only real political play is to just continue to plow ahead.
I think the idea that Trump assembled a fragile electoral coalition to win is just not true. Trump hijacked the existing GOP coalition, damaged it severely, then managed to ride it to victory anyways (with an assist from Comey) against Hillary's weak performance. There is no Trump movement that can create problems for the GOPe once Trump the man is gone. His philosophy is basically standard GOP policy run through a filter of eccentric white nationalist authoritarianism and married to his personal celebrity status. I think the downsides to GOP politicians of simply knifing Trump in the back and governing under President Pence are overstated. GOP voters will fall in line for Pence's party even more than they did for Trump.
02-15-2017 , 11:37 AM
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Originally Posted by DeroDeniro
I wonder if Trump will break Truman's record low. Crazy to see Truman lower than Nixon at his lowest. Link to all the graphs.

Why was BO so unpopular in Sep 2014? Lower than Trump now...damn.
02-15-2017 , 11:38 AM
So some faceless GOP congresscritter was just on MSNBC. Said he favored investigations into BENGHAZIIIIIIIIII because it arguably fell under the jurisdiction of multiple committees while this incident should clearly be handled by the intelligence committee, so he couldn't get behind an investigation.

So this is really what they're going to go with?
02-15-2017 , 11:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Paul McSwizzle
This. And I know everyone hates her, but I think Lena Dunham is a good example of this. She's a funny, good natured person who is chubby. There are literally tens of thousands of male comedians/actors/writers who fit that description and most ppl either love them or are relatively ambivalent about them.

But Dunham? ****ing HATE. Endless, endless hate. Worth thinking about imo.
What? Her problem is all the ****ing ******ed stupid **** she says, not her weight.

And she is not funny at all.
02-15-2017 , 11:40 AM
sec Mattis is threatening to "moderate US commitment to NATO" if european allies don't increase their military spending
02-15-2017 , 11:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Riverman
So some faceless GOP congresscritter was just on MSNBC. Said he favored investigations into BENGHAZIIIIIIIIII because it arguably fell under the jurisdiction of multiple committees while this incident should clearly be handled by the intelligence committee, so he couldn't get behind an investigation.

So this is really what they're going to go with?
This is what Chaffetz's people were just telling me on the phone. "The Intel Committee is handling it, there's already an investigation."

I still yelled at the ****er for almost 30 minutes.
02-15-2017 , 11:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Paul McSwizzle
Why was BO so unpopular in Sep 2014? Lower than Trump now...damn.
Wikileaks stuff, maybe? Obamacare problems too, I bet.
02-15-2017 , 11:42 AM
JFK's all time LOW approval rating being 56% is pretty sick, esp considering he barely won his election.

Trump will never drop below 35% or so, the delusion amongst his base is very strong.

Last edited by miajag; 02-15-2017 at 11:48 AM.
02-15-2017 , 11:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Riverman
So some faceless GOP congresscritter was just on MSNBC. Said he favored investigations into BENGHAZIIIIIIIIII because it arguably fell under the jurisdiction of multiple committees while this incident should clearly be handled by the intelligence committee, so he couldn't get behind an investigation.

So this is really what they're going to go with?
non-sense.
02-15-2017 , 11:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Namath12
From Evan McMuffin's feed: Having honed their skills against USA#1 in 2016, time to move on to the EU

How Vladimir Putin and Russia are using cyber attacks and fake news to try to rig three major European elections this year
Putin's been funding Eurosceptic parties under the table for quite some time now.
02-15-2017 , 11:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Namath12
Impeach him??? loooooooooooooool

You can't even find five Republicans who want to INVESTIGATE him

ETA and it's not necessarily because they are inherently corrupt, either (though many of them are ldo) it's because they've seen what the handful of congressional Repubes who have stood up to Trump have gotten from their constituencies. Hell, Martha Roby who represents Alabama Dumb**** District is looking at a primary challenger in 2018 already for coming hard after pussygate and not backing down...and she's about as far right as anyone on the Hill.
We are only in week 4. This **** isn't going away. It's not like the cray cray has been level since day 1. It's getting crazier by the day and it's hurting Trump's numbers. Once it's beneficial to drop ties w/ Trump, the GOP will turn.
02-15-2017 , 11:44 AM
Pretty amazing how well-liked Kennedy was. Guess it was his good looks that made the ladies swoon. The Bay of Pigs invasion certainly didn't win people over.

That and he ****ed Marilyn Monroe.
02-15-2017 , 11:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Paul McSwizzle
Why was BO so unpopular in Sep 2014? Lower than Trump now...damn.
He's a black man from Kenya.

I wonder what percentage of the people that think Obama is from Kenya never heard of Kenya until the birther crap came out.
02-15-2017 , 11:49 AM
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Originally Posted by RV Life
We are only in week 4. This **** isn't going away. It's not like the cray cray has been level since day 1. It's getting crazier by the day and it's hurting Trump's numbers. Once it's beneficial to drop ties w/ Trump, the GOP will turn.
This is still an if. People can get distracted, ie war, some lib gets investigated, god knows what, most people only remember recency and elections are a long way from now. A good chunk of the country still doesn't think this is a problem at all.
02-15-2017 , 11:50 AM
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Originally Posted by valenzuela
Btw I'm not saying that Trump isn't awful, he is. It's just that him having contacts with the Russians is not the reason why he is awful and having ties with the Russians doesn't seem that bad to me per se.
( this is clearly an intuitive opinion that I haven't really thought through , that is why I'm asking questions ).
but its more than that.

russia tried to hack the dnc. trump campaign was in contact with them at all times during this. trump campaign and the russians were working together to take spy on the dnc.

thats bad.

then, after obama instituted sanctions, the trump-elect team worked with the russians to undermine the president.

thats bad.

      
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