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The Presidency of Donald J. Trump: No smocking guns. The Presidency of Donald J. Trump: No smocking guns.

02-15-2017 , 10:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Max Cut
While I want to like this guy, and the things he says about Trump are undeniably true, he is way on the opposite side of me in many political stances, and I couldn't see supporting him.
02-15-2017 , 10:43 AM
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Originally Posted by master3004
While I want to like this guy, and the things he says about Trump are undeniably true, he is way on the opposite side of me in many political stances, and I couldn't see supporting him.
He's generic R with the added twist of not wanting to see the gubmint reduced to ashes. It's remarkable that that previously-unremarkable feature now makes him look like a sane moderate.
02-15-2017 , 10:44 AM



From the same article, lol:

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The point here is that for a White House that has such a casual and opportunistic relationship with the truth, it's strange that Flynn's "lie" to Pence would get him fired. It doesn't add up.

www.axios.com/trump-lashes-out-at-media-for-russia-reports-2262882756.html
02-15-2017 , 10:46 AM


pretty much says it all
02-15-2017 , 10:47 AM
Rand Paul, folks. I'm sure he would have said the same if it was Hillary instead, right?

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“I think that it looks like the president has handled the situation, and unless there’s some kind of other evidence of malfeasance, this sounds like something that was internal White House politics, and it looks like the president’s handled it.”

“I just don’t think it’s useful to be doing investigation after investigation, particularly of your own party,” he said. “We’ll never even get started with doing the things we need to do like repealing Obamacare if we’re spending our whole time having Republicans investigate Republicans. I think it makes no sense.”
02-15-2017 , 10:49 AM
Trump could make all of this go away with a simple: "I welcome Congressional investigations into this matter, I have nothing to hide." It's really that easy. Why doesn't he do that I wonder?
02-15-2017 , 10:50 AM
Declaring war against the intelligence agencies is a bold strategy by trump.
02-15-2017 , 10:50 AM
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Originally Posted by DeroDeniro
Rand Paul, folks. I'm sure he would have said the same if it was Hillary instead, right?
it's nice that the corruption is right out in front for a change I suppose
02-15-2017 , 10:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Max Cut
McMullin is an interesting guy. I will never vote for a conservative again in my life (in part bc I think 'conservatism' is essentially a scam) BUT he seems to actually believe in the patriotism etc the GOP has always parroted. I wonder if there's much of a market for that. The cynic in me says nah, but he's admirable nonetheless.
02-15-2017 , 10:56 AM
Remember when the Muslim ban was a thing ? Good old days.


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02-15-2017 , 10:56 AM
02-15-2017 , 10:59 AM
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Originally Posted by wheatrich
Declaring war against the intelligence agencies is a bold strategy by trump.
The dude is just so stupid. He thinks running the country is the same as running one of his ****ty ass businesses. He thinks he can just fire whomever disagrees with him or not pay contractors.

I can't find it but I saw a tweet earlier saying that Trump is going to die in jail just based on what he said this morning about the intelligence community.


Last edited by RV Life; 02-15-2017 at 11:06 AM. Reason: Found it
02-15-2017 , 11:01 AM
Saul Alinsky sightings all over Facebook this morning, claiming this is just a repeat of that
02-15-2017 , 11:05 AM
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Originally Posted by seattlelou
Lol 2020 polls this far out but Morning Consult has generic D beating Trump by 8 and Trump beating Warren by 6. http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign...-match-up-poll
lol wow america ****in hates women
02-15-2017 , 11:06 AM
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Originally Posted by RV Life
The dude is just so stupid. He thinks running the country is the same as running one of his ****ty ass businesses. He thinks he can just fire whomever disagrees with him or not pay contractors.

I can't find it but I saw a tweet earlier saying that Trump is going to die in jail just based on what he said this morning about the intelligence community.
It's a bit early for a victory lap. Trump CAN fire whoever he wants until he gets impeached or forced to resign. The Russia stuff gives ample grounds to impeach him, but it doesn't create the votes for it.
02-15-2017 , 11:07 AM
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Originally Posted by bobman0330
It's a bit early for a victory lap. Trump CAN fire whoever he wants until he gets impeached or forced to resign. The Russia stuff gives ample grounds to impeach him, but it doesn't create the votes for it.
Oh yea, I know. I just mean that's not a sane way to run the country.
02-15-2017 , 11:08 AM
Yeah the only way any of this stuff leads to even possible impeachment is if it can be explicitly proven Trump specifically and directly ordered his staff to cooperate with the Russians to sabotage Clinton. Even then I don't think the Republicans would impeach him.
02-15-2017 , 11:13 AM
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Originally Posted by champstark
Yeah the only way any of this stuff leads to even possible impeachment is if it can be explicitly proven Trump specifically and directly ordered his staff to cooperate with the Russians to sabotage Clinton. Even then I don't think the Republicans would impeach him.
He flat out told the Russians to hack her emails.
02-15-2017 , 11:13 AM
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Originally Posted by master3004
Just so I'm sure, this mother****er, who I am supposed to consider my president, in the space of 2 hours said that all negative media about him is fake, but also that intelligence agency is giving real and factual information to the sources that he labelled "fake news" and that this is a terrible thing for our country?

I got that about right?
it's not a mental breakdown! THAT'S FAKE PSYCHOANALYSIS
02-15-2017 , 11:13 AM
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Originally Posted by ScreaminAsian
lol wow america ****in hates women
Honestly this is what should have been the biggest takeaway from the election. I kinda doubt it was even a conscious thing for many of them though. Hillary is corrupt. Warren is a socialist. Or whatever.
02-15-2017 , 11:15 AM
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Originally Posted by ScreaminAsian
lol wow america ****in hates women
Warren has something about claiming some native american heritage that if true only makes her like 1/32 and it got out there b/c she checked a minority box once on some form. That alone costs her at least 5 points.

You can imagine how that racist that got during one liberal state's campaign much less a presidency run.
02-15-2017 , 11:15 AM
I personally think Trump sealed his fate by pissing off both the media and intelligence community.
02-15-2017 , 11:15 AM
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Originally Posted by ScreaminAsian
lol wow america ****in hates women
Aye. In 2007, I was quite sure the US would have it's first female president before it's first African American president. It says something about me, and probably about a lot of people, that I was so far off in estimating the level of prejudice against women in the US.
02-15-2017 , 11:17 AM
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Originally Posted by champstark
Yeah the only way any of this stuff leads to even possible impeachment is if it can be explicitly proven Trump specifically and directly ordered his staff to cooperate with the Russians to sabotage Clinton. Even then I don't think the Republicans would impeach him.
I think people overestimate the relevance of legal issues here. The necessary and sufficient condition for a Trump impeachment is a critical mass of Republicans deciding that ending the Trump circus is better for them from a political/policy perspective than playing along. Leaks about Russia obviously lead them in that direction, but it's not likely they play a decisive role on their own. Sustained public criticism of GOP legislators plus policy gridlock is what ultimately gets the job done (if it happens). If GOP congresspeople can't have townhalls or take constituent calls because there's an unending storm of hate and rage overwhelming everything else, that will start to get their attention. Likewise if Congress can't make progress on healthcare or tax reform because there is zero presidential leadership on the policy process.
02-15-2017 , 11:21 AM
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Originally Posted by champstark
Yeah the only way any of this stuff leads to even possible impeachment is if it can be explicitly proven Trump specifically and directly ordered his staff to cooperate with the Russians to sabotage Clinton. Even then I don't think the Republicans would impeach him.
I think the road to impeachment has more to do with Trump's Russian connection and what it means to the country going forward. Lifting sanctions, weakening NATO, letting Russia go unchecked etc.

      
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