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02-15-2017 , 09:39 AM
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Originally Posted by master3004
Just so I'm sure, this mother****er, who I am supposed to consider my president, in the space of 2 hours said that all negative media about him is fake, but also that intelligence agency is giving real and factual information to the sources that he labelled "fake news" and that this is a terrible thing for our country?

I got that about right?

Confirming all except that he thinks it's terrible. His comparison to Russia makes it hard to tell if he thinks it's a good thing or bad.
02-15-2017 , 09:42 AM
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Originally Posted by valenzuela
Do you guys give a **** about the Russia ties or is it something you pretend to care about because the "America # 1" types may start turning their back on Trump?
I give lots of ****s about Russia, mostly because of Crimea, nukes, and the potential for geopolitical instability.

Also lol this is USA#1, other countries arent supposed to pick our leaders. Cmon bro

Last edited by Paul McSwizzle; 02-15-2017 at 09:49 AM.
02-15-2017 , 09:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Max Cut
To be fair, trump is mostly telling the truth here based on his standards--at least I believe russia hasn't tried to leverage him at all (they wouldn't have needed to with the russian ties in the admin, that might not be because leverage but simply incompetence/$$$/arrogance) and he likely has no loans there. I'd be surprised if he didn't own stuff over there though. He might have nothing to do with russian gov't too which is what I think he means by no nothing.

At least there's something out of this--it'd look totally absurd if he let putin just take ukraine now or drop the sanctions instead whatever the hell they were gonna argue.

Last edited by wheatrich; 02-15-2017 at 09:50 AM.
02-15-2017 , 09:51 AM
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Originally Posted by wheatrich
To be fair, trump is mostly telling the truth here based on his standards--at least I believe russia hasn't tried to leverage him at all and he likely has no loans there. I'd be surprised if he didn't own stuff over there though. He might have nothing to do with russian gov't too which is what I think he means by no nothing.

At least there's something out of this--it'd look totally absurd if he let putin just take ukraine now instead of the we should stay out of it narrative or whatever the hell they were gonna argue.

His denials make me think of this.
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In 2008, Donald Trump Jr. said Trump's businesses "see a lot of money pouring in from Russia."

"And in terms of high-end product influx into the US, Russians make up a pretty disproportionate cross-section of a lot of our assets; say in Dubai, and certainly with our project in SoHo and anywhere in New York. We see a lot of money pouring in from Russia. There's indeed a lot of money coming for new-builds and resale reflecting a trend in the Russian economy and, of course, the weak dollar versus the ruble," he said.
www.cnn.com/2017/01/11/politics/trump-ties-with-russia/
02-15-2017 , 09:52 AM
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Originally Posted by master3004
Just so I'm sure, this mother****er, who I am supposed to consider my president, in the space of 2 hours said that all negative media about him is fake, but also that intelligence agency is giving real and factual information to the sources that he labelled "fake news" and that this is a terrible thing for our country?

I got that about right?
That's what he said. Hope someone points this out in the press conference.
02-15-2017 , 09:57 AM
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Originally Posted by seattlelou
This sounds like one of those things that will get replayed in a few months. I am of the opinion that there is a lot known by the IC that has yet to leak and will be a deep dive by Congress that will reveal some of it to the public.
Well I was way off on the timing of a few months. Spicer's comment that there was no contact during the campaign stood unchallenged for only a few hours.
02-15-2017 , 10:01 AM
God Trump is dumb. The fact there are STILL 40+% of the country supporting this guy is unbelievably depressing.
02-15-2017 , 10:03 AM
Leaks are treasonous and...accurate? Also they are fake news. Got it.

And guys, please stop with the "Trump couldn't have done XYZ, that would be incredibly stupid!" He IS incredibly stupid. His whole program is a giant sea of stupid.
02-15-2017 , 10:04 AM
Russia breaks missile treaty, got caught with spy ship, and neither are a priority on the list of the concerns right now.
02-15-2017 , 10:08 AM
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Originally Posted by wheatrich
Russia breaks missile treaty, got caught with spy ship, and neither are a priority on the list of the concerns right now.
If they were ever going to start some **** now would be the time unfortunately. We are led by someone who struggles with basic logic, has a personality disorder and has no earthly idea what he is doing. His cabinet is also in shambles and has no idea what they are doing.
02-15-2017 , 10:20 AM
Lol 2020 polls this far out but Morning Consult has generic D beating Trump by 8 and Trump beating Warren by 6. http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign...-match-up-poll
02-15-2017 , 10:21 AM
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Originally Posted by dopebeats
I don't think you get it. This is a change of 60+ years of foreign policy and directly works against America's interest. The geopolitics of this situation are enormous. Allowing Russia to dismantle NATO and undo sanctions is very bad for the US/West and allows Russia to run rampant in the Baltics and eventually in mainland Europe. As long as Putin and his autocrats are in power he poses a risk to the his neighbors and most of the world. By allowing him to expand his sphere of influence you are allowing him to build his Eurasian Empire. Which is a direct threat to any sort of world order. This will also eventually result in a war with China.


Here is a glimpse into his geopolitical goals. See how much of these things have come/are coming to fruition. It's pretty scary.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Founda...of_Geopolitics

Western part went preety much how they wanted, Eastern not so much, preety cool link.

Last edited by valenzuela; 02-15-2017 at 10:28 AM.
02-15-2017 , 10:24 AM
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Originally Posted by vixticator
Why do states fall? Because they are vulnerable. Institutions are vulnerable. I'm not going to hold your hand. Figure it out on your own. For ****sake it's not that difficult. Stop being so God damn thick. The number of politics posters who are actually brain dead is nothing short of staggering.
That is where you are wrong. Understanding the reality of countries that are completely different to your own its quite hard.
And btw you are confusing lack of knowledge with lack of judgement, they are not the same.
02-15-2017 , 10:26 AM
From Evan McMuffin's feed: Having honed their skills against USA#1 in 2016, time to move on to the EU

How Vladimir Putin and Russia are using cyber attacks and fake news to try to rig three major European elections this year
02-15-2017 , 10:27 AM
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Originally Posted by valenzuela
Btw I'm not saying that Trump isn't awful, he is. It's just that him having contacts with the Russians is not the reason why he is awful and having ties with the Russians doesn't seem that bad to me per se.
( this is clearly an intuitive opinion that I haven't really thought through , that is why I'm asking questions ).
A weakened NATO and ambivalent US allows Russia to run roughshod over eastern Europe. This destabilizes much of the world in ways we haven't seen in decades and puts all sorts of really scary **** back on the table. We've had a sort of detente between all of the major military powers for quite some time, with the understanding that economic cooperation is better for all involved. Russia seems all too willing to upend the status quo, and the most important thing Putin needs to move forward with that is to convince the US to stay out of it.
02-15-2017 , 10:27 AM
02-15-2017 , 10:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Max Cut
Joy Reid last night showed that Trump tweet and then like 20 something instances during the campaign where Trump praised Wikileaks (and that one time when he straight up asked Russia to wink wink nudge nudge hack Hildawg and find her "30,000 missing e-mails).

But seriously gais he hates leaks
02-15-2017 , 10:35 AM
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Originally Posted by zikzak
A weakened NATO and ambivalent US allows Russia to run roughshod over eastern Europe. This destabilizes much of the world in ways we haven't seen in decades and puts all sorts of really scary **** back on the table. We've had a sort of detente between all of the major military powers for quite some time, with the understanding that economic cooperation is better for all involved. Russia seems all too willing to upend the status quo, and the most important thing Putin needs to move forward with that is to convince the US to stay out of it.
I think this is what Trump wants: he wants to force European nations -- essentially NATO allies -- back into the draconian world of power.

He's overturning the Kagan doctrine of Paradise and Power.

In Trump's world, there can be no egalitarian oasis.
02-15-2017 , 10:35 AM
Is there a pol with the surname "King" that doesn't make people want to eat charcoal when he opens his mouth? I can't find one
02-15-2017 , 10:36 AM
There have got to be factions forming even within Trump's inner circle, such as it is. Hey, has anybody seen those long knives that were just on the desk over here?
02-15-2017 , 10:38 AM
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Originally Posted by LordJvK
I think this is what Trump wants: he wants to force European nations -- essentially NATO allies -- back into the draconian world of power.

He's overturning the Kagan doctrine of Paradise and Power.

In Trump's world, there can be no egalitarian oasis.
Do you honestly believe Donald Trump understands any of what you just said?
02-15-2017 , 10:39 AM
You were spot on yesterday wheat but he has so many ties to Russia dating back to the 90s.

He repealed dodd frank within 2 weeks after railing against wall Street all campaign. They have no shame.

Last edited by aoFrantic; 02-15-2017 at 10:48 AM.
02-15-2017 , 10:40 AM
yeah Trump is just faking the inability to see more than 2 minutes into the future, he's sekretly really smart with a bigly grand plan
02-15-2017 , 10:40 AM
lol talking on the phone in 2017 about anything sensitive

and noon presser!?!

here we go
02-15-2017 , 10:40 AM
like I'm 100% positive that he will be unveiling that thuper sekret strat to defeat ISIS that he bragged about on the campaign trail

and then you will see, all of you will see

      
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