This is why we need to focus only on those who look different from white folks. Too many Russians are white so it makes it too hard to manage. We need to be nice to them because we can't tell them apart.

do you know anything about Putin? o.o

what's going in Ukraine, etc?

The America #1 types won't turn on Trump. It maybe the Democratic establishment play that they think they'll turn, but they won't. Just like all those "good" Republicans didn't change their vote to Hillary. The Russian stuff wouldn't be troubling if there weren't evidence of Russian hacking and all the wierd stuff the Trump team has been doing. If Trump had said I'm going to pursue better ties with Russia and left it at that they I think people might be upset but not smelling blood in the water.

Russia scares the **** out of me

Freedom of speech, press, and who to have sex with are like my 3 big things that most personally and selfishly keep me the least scared

Trump's tendency toward authoritarianism scares the **** out of me

An idiot collaborating with an expert authoritarian and putting his enrichment and interests above the citizens terrifies me

Rule of law and legitimacy are both in the most danger in this country they've quite possibly ever been, and at least part of that is inextricably linked to Russia




So, cliffs: lolno. Are you avin a giggle, m8

I guess that's not supposed to be a picture of the actual plane. I think that plane is quite old.

Yeah. The America #1 people are actually "my tribe #1" and actually hate huge swaths of America and Trump has their loyalty from his constant insistence that they're the best and they've been cheated, and his constant attacks on all the Others

Pure power politics: how do you think revolutions happen? There's not always a war in the street. Republics are perfectly capable of falling while the mechanics of the government are operating kind of normally but really, really strange events like masse purges and resignations of the Civil bureaucracy. You're looking for an overarching plan of action. That's not how it works either. Power is seized in the moments of Chaos. The ONLY reason the Republic might yet survive is that the people took to the streets and starting flooding their representatives.

The GOP has been engaging in extraordinarily anti-democratic policies for decades. None of this happens all of a sudden. Look at how they acted when the chaos started: immediately sold out the people, all man for himself. This is still what they are doing it's not over! They've been telling you what they believed your entire life... they're not lying.

@valenzuela

I wouldn't be that worried about the Russia **** if I weren't worried that Trump is a wannabe Putin.

Val, the "transition to capitalism" was a transition to a murder-backed oligopoly and kleptocracy

So, again, lolno

Spiegel Online says Trump wants Russia to give back Krimea. On phone, can't link.

It is the actual plane, but from an incident a year ago. There are no pics from the recent incident, but I don't see what difference the age of the plane makes.

Is this all about a humanitarian concern about Ukraine and the Russian gays? sorry but I'm going to have to call bull**** on that.

meaningless gesture to say russia should give back crimea (lol at that), but a smart thing to say right now. Way smarter than any 2p2er.

This angle makes more sense to me, but then the problem would be that Trump admires Putin regardless of how close he is to him. It's not like Trump is going to give the nuclear codes to Putin. But then again Trump is so reckless that you may actually be right to be a bit concerned given Trump & Putin have the power to end human existence as we know it.

Bro, no. Ignore gays entirely, and it's still just as scary

Pls ask specific questions about my posts on the subject if you really don't get it

Also, is it just an accident that you're completely ignoring why we have laws about conflicts of interest, and why it ruins government legitimacy if the top guy puts another nation's interests above his own nation's, especially when this is caused by bribery and/or extortion, or even just a potential to consolidate authoritarian power

He's Just Asking Questions, man...

It's only Tuesday...week 4

Btw I'm not saying that Trump isn't awful, he is. It's just that him having contacts with the Russians is not the reason why he is awful and having ties with the Russians doesn't seem that bad to me per se.
( this is clearly an intuitive opinion that I haven't really thought through , that is why I'm asking questions ).

Why do states fall? Because they are vulnerable. Institutions are vulnerable. I'm not going to hold your hand. Figure it out on your own. For ****sake it's not that difficult. Stop being so God damn thick. The number of politics posters who are actually brain dead is nothing short of staggering.

I think it's a mig-23, last made in 1985 and retired to the reserves for Russia.

I touched on this earlier but the media and parts of the ic are slow rolling the crap out of this stuff now because it's so reflexive for the administration and potentially congress to react and by doing so given the opportunity to lie.

This leads to a much larger potential haul. We have already seen it happen and lots of these people think they are too smart to be caught. Plus at this point morale is ridiculously low at places like the NSC and people are just going to start jumping ship and implicating others.

Regardless of the time there are always going to be scandals and secrets that are hidden. This has the potential to force a ton of that to come pouring out. By biding time they play into bad actors paranoia. This potentially exposes people they would not know about otherwise.

Those in the media who are legitimately investigating this are going to do so with the intent to go as deep and far as possible.

Still hasn't been a month.

No takesies backsies.

Micro just wanted to floss his Russian fighter jet knowledge.

No ****.

Again, it's bad when your leader gets bribed or extorted by a foreign power. Separate from that, Russia is a sham Republic. Putin's government is illegitimate. It's authoritarian and it stifles dissent, to the point where murder is used as a tool. It is also actively trying to stir **** up in the western world for the express purpose of dividing the cooperative military defense against it annexing territory at gunpoint.

I don't think you get it. This is a change of 60+ years of foreign policy and directly works against America's interest. The geopolitics of this situation are enormous. Allowing Russia to dismantle NATO and undo sanctions is very bad for the US/West and allows Russia to run rampant in the Baltics and eventually in mainland Europe. As long as Putin and his autocrats are in power he poses a risk to the his neighbors and most of the world. By allowing him to expand his sphere of influence you are allowing him to build his Eurasian Empire. Which is a direct threat to any sort of world order. This will also eventually result in a war with China.


Here is a glimpse into his geopolitical goals. See how much of these things have come/are coming to fruition. It's pretty scary.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Founda...of_Geopolitics

Yeah, people are like "LOL AT NOT RELEASING THE NAMES YET" but this latest haul of revelations was brought about as a direct refutation to Spicer saying this afternoon unequivocally that nobody connected to the Trump campaign had any contact with Russian intelligence.

They're still falling for it, still taking the bait. Let them hang themselves and add up the direct, unquestionable lies.